I am wondering, I always here about thinking of a woman is "haraam" or a woman showing skin, like the legs, is "haraam". What exactly is "haraam" and why is their so much of it? Why can't men and women be together, and it not be "haraam"?
Haram means something that is prohobitied. 'Thinking' of women isn't prohibited but probably what people meant is to think of the oposite gender in a provocative manner is prohibited.
To elobrate, in arabic the word 'awrah' refers to the part of a human body that is considered as private. It isn't the same as the western sense of the private area which is considered and limited only to the genitalia. In Islam the man's Awrah is considered from the navel to the knee (i.e. including the knee) and the women, all of her is considered the Awrah. Hence, why she is required to observe the veil.
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And verily for everything that a slave loses there is a substitute, but the one who loses Allah will never find anything to replace Him.” [Related by Ibn al-Qayyim in ad-Dâ' wad-Dawâ Fasl 49]
because men and women are attracted to one another and that could be seriously disastrous outside of marriage, taking into consideration that adultery/fornication is prohibited.
in other words, you cant prohibit something, and yet allow the door way to it to be open. it wouldn't be fair, would it?
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...desperate for husnul-khitaam...
please make dua that Allah grants me a good end (to my life). please make dua that Allah guides me.
Haraam means things which are forbidden and unlawful in Shariah.
Exposing Skin is not Haraam.Undoubtedly, Attracting men for sexual relations is Haraam.When you start with legs, you keep on becoming worst and reach till the worst evil thing.It brings a sexual attraction to Men which is Haraam.And when women and men mix up together, they do something unlawful or illegal.
Not really. It is not honorable, but people can do what they want, it's their choice. I am not going to tell my future wife "don't do it" she should know not too, and the man that does it should know his fate if he proceeds to do it.
Islam never supports dictator ship brother. But islam warns you about the repercussions.Then why should under 18 sex should be considered illegal if it is being done with consent.why this magic number 18, doesn't that hinder freedom ?
I'd prefer freedom and some evil things, then dictatorship and no evil things.
Haram is one thing and being lawful is another, i assume that in taoism there are things forbidden to do, nobody can stop if you want to do those thing right?, but isn't there a consequence for doing those forbidden things, like say your ancestors will abandon you or maybe bring you bad luck.
Same in Islam, it is considered a major sin, but when people fornicate in secret they are out of the reach of the law.
Anyway, I am not of the opinion to make those things legal and make it for the people to decide between themselves and ALLAH(swt), because such actions affect the community as a whole, why do you think people get divorced so much in america , or teens who get pregnant in high schools, and children without parents who end up in orphanages.
One more thing, how would you feel to know that your potential spouse has been around with men(lots of them), slept with them and did all sort of things, doesn't it seem incredibly unclean and filthy.
What does taoism say about this?
Haram is one thing and being lawful is another, i assume that in taoism there are things forbidden to do, nobody can stop if you want to do those thing right?, but isn't there a consequence for doing those forbidden things, like say your ancestors will abandon you or maybe bring you bad luck.
Same in Islam, it is considered a major sin, but when people fornicate in secret they are out of the reach of the law.
Anyway, I am not of the opinion to make those things legal and make it for the people to decide between themselves and ALLAH(swt), because such actions affect the community as a whole, why do you think people get divorced so much in america , or teens who get pregnant in high schools, and children without parents who end up in orphanages.
One more thing, how would you feel to know that your potential spouse has been around with men(lots of them), slept with them and did all sort of things, doesn't it seem incredibly unclean and filthy.
What does taoism say about this?
I have never read in the TTC of anything that is "wrong" to do, it simply tells you, their is Action, and Re-action. Their is Cause and Effect. Yin and Yang, this is what it tells me, and others I'd assume. If I kill a million people, I can expect to be hated, and probably assassinated. That is just Cause and Effect, without a teacher teaching it to you.
well brother, islam does tell about cause and effect but it mainly warns about the effects in the world after death.From far away to people islam might look restrictive ( too many rules and prohibitions) but once you know why each rule was made you would know its brilliance.I can say this because of my personal experience
well brother, islam does tell about cause and effect but it mainly warns about the effects in the world after death.From far away to people islam might look restrictive ( too many rules and prohibitions) but once you know why each rule was made you would know its brilliance.I can say this because of my personal experience
I never said it didn't. I can tell you from my experience that Taoism tells of Cause & Effect, that's all I am saying.
I have never read in the TTC of anything that is "wrong" to do, it simply tells you, their is Action, and Re-action. Their is Cause and Effect. Yin and Yang, this is what it tells me, and others I'd assume. If I kill a million people, I can expect to be hated, and probably assassinated. That is just Cause and Effect, without a teacher teaching it to you.
So Tao believes cause and effects only in this world?
Do you think it is fair that someone like Joseph Stalin who ordered the killings of millions of people was only hated? He was never harmed in any way when he was alive.
So Tao believes cause and effects only in this world?
Do you think it is fair that someone like Joseph Stalin who ordered the killings of millions of people was only hated? He was never harmed in any way when he was alive.
lol Tao isn't any single entity, I am Tao, your Tao, the dirt is Tao, the air is Tao, and nothing is Tao.
I do not decide what is fair and what isn't. None of us can, it's above us, I can only tell you my opinion and facts about what happened to him. He suffered from Paranoia, that is one reason he lived for so long.
Well you have asked many questions..hope I can clarify to my best extent inshallah.
Haaram means forbidden...(forbidden in the Quran). There are many 'restrictions' because it is for the best of Human. Without these rules Muslims would not be pure as they can get. A strange Muslim man and strange Muslim woman cannot be together because: 'Between a man and a woman,the third person is the Shaitaan(devil)' if we were allowed to mingle with other Muslim women that would create fitnah(brought by impure intentions and the devil). The Muslim women is required to cover herself because men tend to think impure thoughts(by their own will and the Shaitaans) when skin is shown,also stated:The prophet Muhammad(peace and blessings be upon him) said 'A man is allowed the first (unintentional) glance but not the second'. Therefore a muslim man is forbidden(is haaram) to view a women with impure thoughts. Inshallah' that clears most of it up,any questions regarding to this may be brought up.Allah knows the best.
I'd prefer freedom and some evil things, then dictatorship and no evil things.
hmm what do you mean by freedom?? the freedom to do anything you please?
your restricted by certain laws just as we are. The only difference is your laws are made by mortal men and we believe our laws are divinely revealed from our creator.
the laws we have to follow are different from the laws you have to follow, so really none of us have freedom I guess,
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