it is funny how so many westerners comming on these forums acting all righteous and so on yet ignoring their own crimes they do against Muslims in their own country. for instance the high number of hate crimes which continually occur against Muslims in the west. why dont the non-Muslim westerners on this forum speak against the thugs who beat muslim women up on busses and streets in Uk and Usa, i think most of you westerners dont really mind hate crime and attacks on muslims in the west, because non of you hardly bring it up and u act like it doesnt happen but if something happens to a westerner by a Muslim you go all up in arms why? here are some links which document present and past hate crimes against muslims by westerners the nation of 'love' and 'freedom':
there is much more but that shud do for now. i also know a Muslimah who got beta up by a group of thugs in london a few years back, she had her veil on and they just beat her up swearing and and calling her names dirty muslim etc etc etc stuff like that, she was pregnant at the time and as a result of the attack she lost her baby thanks to these western thugs. this isnt a unique case neither, it happens alot in the west, but these lovable westerners and christians hadrly speak on it and i suspect most of them support it.
Last edited by aamirsaab; 01-20-2007 at 10:41 AM.
Reason: No name calling, no insults. Keep it clean.
I think if you go back and read some of the past posts about hate crimes against Muslims you would have a better idea of how "Westerners" view any hate crime, regardless of the victim.
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
it is funny how so many westerners comming on these forums acting all righteous and so on yet ignoring their own crimes they do against Muslims in their own country. for instance the high number of hate crimes which continually occur against Muslims in the west. why dont the non-Muslim westerners on this forum speak against the thugs who beat muslim women up on busses and streets in Uk and Usa, like manchsterfolk for instance, you always talking about palestine, why dont you concentrate on your own british thugs who continue to cause hate crimes and hate speech on Muslims? or maybe its because u think its ok for hate crimes and Muslims to get attacked? i think most of you westerners dont really mind hate crime and attacks on muslims in the west, because non of you hardly bring it up and u act like it doesnt happen but if something happens to a westerner by a Muslim you go all up in arms why? here are some links which document present and past hate crimes against muslims by westerners the nation of 'love' and 'freedom':
there is much more but that shud do for now. i also know a Muslimah who got beta up by a group of thugs in london a few years back, she had her veil on and they just beat her up swearing and and calling her names dirty muslim etc etc etc stuff like that, she was pregnant at the time and as a result of the attack she lost her baby thanks to these western thugs. this isnt a unique case neither, it happens alot in the west, but these lovable westerners and christians hadrly speak on it and i suspect most of them support it.
What about the hate crimes on westerners? Why don't muslims come out speak up about these attacks. Remember the 15 yr old in Scotland killed by muslims? I didn't hear many speak up against them....
Salam, normal people view this with disgust, only a handful of people would be happy with this, bro Sami i think u know who i am referring to.
"Were they created by nothing, or were they themselves the creators?
Or did they create the heavens and the earth?
Nay, they have no firm belief.”
[Holy Qur'an: 52:35-36]
A terribly demonic anti-Islam forum me and Sami used to discuss Islam on. A lot of the people there rejoiced at deaths and suffering of Muslims, eg the Indonesian Tsunami. I posted those hate crime against Muslims links on that forum recently and the reaction was expected, justification using tuo quoque, ie so and so Muslim in the Mid East did that therefore the Western Muslim victims deserved it, even the 19 year old Muslim girl who got beaten by 2 men with baseball bats. Its sickening. But I know that those types are in the tiny minority, most of them are right wing extremists who frequently curse the left and liberals. Hate crimes against anyone regardless of religion or ethnic origin should not be tolerated in the least.
Last edited by Goku; 01-17-2007 at 09:23 PM.
"Were they created by nothing, or were they themselves the creators?
Or did they create the heavens and the earth?
Nay, they have no firm belief.”
[Holy Qur'an: 52:35-36]
In my experience, those who have a 'them and us' attitude often interpret certain events somewhat differently to those who don't.
There have been hate crimes on muslims since the time of the Prophet [saw] and there will always be as it stems from ignorance. Other faiths and groups of people have also experienced hate crimes, throughout the past. I'm not saying it is good, of course not. However, as long as ignorance prevails through society, race hate and crime will always exist. Unfortunately, due to human nature, I sincerely doubt ignorance will ever be eradicated from this Earth.
I hope to live to see the day where there is no more injustice in this world. But the more I think about it, the more I realise that Paradise is that place.
Last edited by aamirsaab; 01-22-2007 at 10:25 AM.
Reason: typo.
Someone said to the Prophet, "Pray to God against the idolaters and curse them." The Prophet replied, "I have been sent to show mercy and have not been sent to curse." (Muslim)
In my experience, those who have a 'them and us' attitude often interpret certain events soemwhat differently to those who don't.
i think i have that attitude, i think that we US muslims gotta try our best under islamic laws and "THEM" as kaafirs will try change our ways because they wouldnt like to live under it...
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My tears testify that i have a heart
yet i feel me and shaytan never part
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Hate crimes are Hate Crimes no matter who they are committed against. They are not the teaching of any ideology that I know of. All people who commit such crimes are members of the same brotherhood no matter what they call them selves.
A person who commits a hate crime, is just that a person who hates and their religion is the same religion, no matter what religion they claim to support. Hate, does not support any religion, it only tears down innocent people.
i think i have that attitude, i think that we US muslims gotta try our best under islamic laws and "THEM" as kaafirs will try change our ways because they wouldnt like to live under it...
I got a better idea, focus on your own deen, observe Sharia without the threat of punishment and leave democracy to do as it will :P
Us and them is never productive
In that vain of thought, the sad fact is that in America our government listens to money. Anyone not wanting to be ignored has too pool their money to form political action committees (PAC’s) and possess lobbyist and sympathetic politicians. We have one Muslim politician; we have six million Muslims in America. The American Muslim community will have to find out how far the wealth and voting power of six million Muslims can take them.
I got a better idea, focus on your own deen, observe Sharia without the threat of punishment and leave democracy to do as it will :P
a perfect system through out the world, due to mans desire it cannot spread. Your saying accept mans desire and stay still and do what you will in the space you have but think of my space as a little box slowly getting squeezed, this is how it is, without improvement/development we cant stay the way we are. Our surroundings affect us, all i want to do is purify the surroundings so its safer for me to be around, thats why i cant ever accept the western way...
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My tears testify that i have a heart
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a perfect system through out the world, due to mans desire it cannot spread.
Sharia is like communism. Have you ever read the communist manifesto by Karl Marx? Marxist communism would be utopia on earth, but what passes for Communism in Russia, China, Korea, Vietnam etc. has little or nothing to do with Marxism. It seems like it’s the same on the outside, but it’s just a façade.
Has any Muslim country in this world fully implemented sharia law with no amount of bidah?
Sharia is like communism. Have you ever read the communist manifesto by Karl Marx? Marxist communism would be utopia on earth, but what passes for Communism in Russia, China, Korea, Vietnam etc. has little or nothing to do with Marxism. It seems like it’s the same on the outside, but it’s just a façade.
Has any Muslim country in this world fully implemented sharia law with no amount of bidah?
i can safely say only the prophet and just rulers of the past have done that (the four caliphs/successors of the prophet) there are said to be other just caliphs after aswell such as abdul azeez. Well innovation is sometimes required such as the times when the quran was compiled etc but evil unnecessary innovation should be avoided.
Im not sure if such a world can ever be established but a world of justice.. i wish i could see it
they say a man wouldnt dare mistreat a dog due to the just ruler (umar ibn al khattab) sleeping half way across the world... such was the justice..
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My tears testify that i have a heart
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What about the hate crimes on westerners? Why don't muslims come out speak up about these attacks. Remember the 15 yr old in Scotland killed by muslims? I didn't hear many speak up against them....
I thought I'd join you
this was absolutely nothing to do with muslims I knew of the guys who did this and they are as far away from islam as you can imagne, it was over gang feuds drugs etc so please get your facts right, Mohammed Sarwar (muslim mp) was the one who tracked them down many in the community spoke out against it and even today you will see flowers and flags still outside where he was taken
"Lo! the Hour is surely coming, there is no doubt thereof; yet most of mankind believe not." (Al-Ghafir:59)
it happens alot in the west, but these lovable westerners and christians hadrly speak on it and i suspect most of them support it.
I hardly speak on an independent Kurdistan, U.S. involvement in Iraq, bad McDonald's food, and a bunch of other things. I hardly speak on Russian horrors in Chechnya, or of Adolf Hitler's death camps. And yet, I do not support any of those things.
Now that I think of it, though, there are a LOT of Muslims here that haven't spoken on hate crimes against Muslims. By your logic, doesn't that mean that THEY support the crimes too?
It’s not productive to compare hate crimes. Ours are worse than yours etc etc etc thats retarded.
It’s time for people of conscience and people of morals from all races, religions, from all backgrounds and walks of life to come together in rejection of those who would commit acts such as these.
DUBLIN, Ireland (CNN) -- At a recent debate over the battle for Islamic ideals in England, a British-born Muslim stood before the crowd and said Prophet Mohammed's message to nonbelievers is: "I come to slaughter all of you."
"We are the Muslims," said Omar Brooks, an extremist also known as Abu Izzadeen. "We drink the blood of the enemy, and we can face them anywhere. That is Islam and that is jihad."
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