Proving The Existence Of Allah (swt)to An Atheist

[Pk_#2]

In the name of God the One, The Greatest!

Peace be upon those who follow guidance,

PROVING THE EXISTENCE OF ALLAH (SWT) TO AN ATHEIST
by Dr. Zakir Naik

CONGRATULATING AN ATHEIST Normally, when I meet an atheist, the first thing I like to do is to congratulate him and say, " My special congratulations to you", because most of the people who believe in God are doing blind belief - he is a Christian, because his father is a Christian; he is a Hindu, because his father is a Hindu; the majority of the people in the world are blindly following the religion of their fathers. An atheist, on the other hand, even though he may belong to a religious family, uses his intellect to deny the existence of God; what ever concept or qualities of God he may have learnt in his religion may not seem to be logical to him.

My Muslim brothers may question me, "Zakir, why are you congratulating an atheist?" The reason that I am congratulating an atheist is because he agrees with the first part of the Shahada i.e. the Islamic Creed, ‘La ilaaha’ - meaning ‘there is no God’. So half my job is already done; now the only part left is ‘il lallah’ i.e. ‘BUT ALLAH’ which I shall do Insha Allah. With others (who are not atheists) I have to first remove from their minds the wrong concept of God they may have and then put the correct concept of one true God.

LOGICAL CONCEPT OF GOD My first question to the atheist will be: "What is the definition of God?" For a person to say there is no God, he should know what is the meaning of God. If I hold a book and say that ‘this is a pen’, for the opposite person to say, ‘it is not a pen’, he should know what is the definition of a pen, even if he does not know nor is able to recognise or identify the object I am holding in my hand. For him to say this is not a pen, he should at least know what a pen means. Similarly for an atheist to say ‘there is no God’, he should at least know the concept of God. His concept of God would be derived from the surroundings in which he lives. The god that a large number of people worship has got human qualities - therefore he does not believe in such a god. Similarly a Muslim too does not and should not believe in such false gods.

If a non-Muslim believes that Islam is a merciless religion with something to do with terrorism; a religion which does not give rights to women; a religion which contradicts science; in his limited sense that non-Muslim is correct to reject such Islam. The problem is he has a wrong picture of Islam. Even I reject such a false picture of Islam, but at the same time, it becomes my duty as a Muslim to present the correct picture of Islam to that non-Muslim i.e. Islam is a merciful religion, it gives equal rights to the women, it is not incompatible with logic, reason and science; if I present the correct facts about Islam, that non-Muslim may Inshallah accept Islam.

Similarly the atheist rejects the false gods and the duty of every Muslim is to present the correct concept of God which he shall Insha Allah not refuse.

QUR’AN AND MODERN SCIENCE The methods of proving the existence of God with usage of the material provided in the ‘Concept of God in Islam’ to an atheist may satisfy some but not all.
Many atheists demand a scientific proof for the existence of God. I agree that today is the age of science and technology. Let us use scientific knowledge to kill two birds with one stone, i.e. to prove the existence of God and simultaneously prove that the Qur’an is a revelation of God.

If a new object or a machine, which no one in the world has ever seen or heard of before, is shown to an atheist or any person and then a question is asked, " Who is the first person who will be able to provide details of the mechanism of this unknown object? After little bit of thinking, he will reply, ‘the creator of that object.’ Some may say ‘the producer’ while others may say ‘the manufacturer.’ What ever answer the person gives, keep it in your mind, the answer will always be either the creator, the producer, the manufacturer or some what of the same meaning, i.e. the person who has made it or created it. Don’t grapple with words, whatever answer he gives, the meaning will be same, therefore accept it.

SCIENTIFIC FACTS MENTIONED IN THE QUR’AN: for details on this subject please refer to my book, ‘THE QUR’AN AND MODERN SCIENCE – COMPATIBLE OR INCOMPATIBLE?

THEORY OF PROBABILITY In mathematics there is a theory known as ‘Theory of Probability’. If you have two options, out of which one is right, and one is wrong, the chances that you will chose the right one is half, i.e. one out of the two will be correct. You have 50% chances of being correct. Similarly if you toss a coin the chances that your guess will be correct is 50% (1 out of 2) i.e. 1/2. If you toss a coin the second time, the chances that you will be correct in the second toss is again 50% i.e. half. But the chances that you will be correct in both the tosses is half multiplied by half (1/2 x 1/2) which is equal to 1/4 i.e. 50% of 50% which is equal to 25%. If you toss a coin the third time, chances that you will be correct all three times is (1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2) that is 1/8 or 50% of 50% of 50% that is 12½%.

A dice has got six sides. If you throw a dice and guess any number between 1 to 6, the chances that your guess will be correct is 1/6. If you throw the dice the second time, the chances that your guess will be correct in both the throws is (1/6 x 1/6) which is equal to 1/36. If you throw the dice the third time, the chances that all your three guesses are correct is (1/6 x 1/6 x 1/6) is equal to 1/216 that is less than 0.5 %.

Let us apply this theory of probability to the Qur’an, and assume that a person has guessed all the information that is mentioned in the Qur’an which was unknown at that time. Let us discuss the probability of all the guesses being simultaneously correct.

At the time when the Qur’an was revealed, people thought the world was flat, there are several other options for the shape of the earth. It could be triangular, it could be quadrangular, pentagonal, hexagonal, heptagonal, octagonal, spherical, etc. Lets assume there are about 30 different options for the shape of the earth. The Qur’an rightly says it is spherical, if it was a guess the chances of the guess being correct is 1/30.

The light of the moon can be its own light or a reflected light. The Qur’an rightly says it is a reflected light. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/2 and the probability that both the guesses i.e the earth is spherical and the light of the moon is reflected light is 1/30 x 1/2 = 1/60.

Further, the Qur’an also mentions every living thing is made of water. Every living thing can be made up of either wood, stone, copper, aluminum, steel, silver, gold, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, oil, water, cement, concrete, etc. The options are say about 10,000. The Qur’an rightly says that everything is made up of water. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/10,000 and the probability of all the three guesses i.e. the earth is spherical, light of moon is reflected light and everything is created from water being correct is 1/30 x 1/2 x 1/10,000 = 1/60,000 which is equal to about .0017%.

The Qur’an speaks about hundreds of things that were not known to men at the time of its revelation. Only in three options the result is .0017%. I leave it upto you, to work out the probability if all the hundreds of the unknown facts were guesses, the chances of all of them being correct guesses simultaneously and there being not a single wrong guess. It is beyond human capacity to make all correct guesses without a single mistake, which itself is sufficient to prove to a logical person that the origin of the Qur’an is Divine.

CREATOR IS THE AUTHOR OF THE QUR’AN The only logical answer to the question as to who could have mentioned all these scientific facts 1400 years ago before they were discovered, is exactly the same answer initially given by the atheist or any person, to the question who will be the first person who will be able to tell the mechanism of the unknown object. It is the ‘CREATOR’, the producer, the Manufacturer of the whole universe and its contents. In the English language He is ‘God’, or more appropriate in the Arabic language, ‘ALLAH’.

QUR’AN IS A BOOK OF SIGNS AND NOT SCIENCE Let me remind you that the Qur’an is not a book of Science, ‘S-C-I-E-N-C-E’ but a book of Signs ‘S-I-G-N-S’ i.e. a book of ayaats. The Qur’an contains more than 6,000 ayaats, i.e. ‘signs’, out of which more than a thousand speak about Science. I am not trying to prove that the Qur’an is the word of God using scientific knowledge as a yard stick because any yardstick is supposed to be more superior than what is being checked or verified. For us Muslims the Qur’an is the Furqan i.e. criteria to judge right from wrong and the ultimate yardstick which is more superior to scientific knowledge.

But for an educated man who is an atheist, scientific knowledge is the ultimate test which he believes in. We do know that science many a times takes ‘U’ turns, therefore I have restricted the examples only to scientific facts which have sufficient proof and evidence and not scientific theories based on assumptions. Using the ultimate yardstick of the atheist, I am trying to prove to him that the Qur’an is the word of God and it contains the scientific knowledge which is his yardstick which was discovered recently, while the Qur’an was revealed 1400 year ago. At the end of the discussion, we both come to the same conclusion that God though superior to science, is not incompatible with it.

SCIENCE IS ELIMINATING MODELS OF GOD BUT NOT GOD Francis Bacon, the famous philosopher, has rightly said that a little knowledge of science makes man an atheist, but an in-depth study of science makes him a believer in God. Scientists today are eliminating models of God, but they are not eliminating God. If you translate this into Arabic, it is La illaha illal la, There is no god, (god with a small ‘g’ that is fake god) but God (with a capital ‘G’).
Surah Fussilat:

"Soon We will show them our signs in the (farthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?"
[Al-Quran 41:53]

[IbnAbdulHakim]

the quran is enough proof, if you need more then that then your just blind ;o

[Pk_#2]

Ano buh Atiests dun read the Quran,

Not all of them inay. Peace.

[ranma1/2]

ｗｅｌｌ　ｆｉｒｓｔ　ｉｖｅ　ｌｉｓｔｅｎｅｄ　ｔｏ　ｈｉｓ　ｌｅｃｔｕｒｅｓ　ｂｅｆｏｒｅ　ａｎｄ 　ｈｅ　ｓｔｉｌｌ　ｓｅｅｍｓ　ｔｏ　ｂｅ　ｕｓｉｎｇ　ｍａｎｙ　ｓｔａｎｄａｒｄ　ｌｏｇｉｃａｌ　 ｆａｌｌａｃｙｓ．

PROVING THE EXISTENCE OF ALLAH (SWT) TO AN ATHEIST
by Dr. Zakir Naik
CONGRATULATING AN ATHEIST …….

Ｈｅ　ｓｅｅｍｓ　ｔｏ　ｃｏｍｐｌｅｔｌｙ　ｌｅａｖｅ　ｍｕｓｌｉｍｓ　ｏｕｔ　ｏｆ　ｔｈｉｓ，　ｎ ｏｔ　ｔｏ　ｍｅｎｔｉｏｎ　ｔｈｅ　ａｌｒｅａｄｙ　ｐａｔｒｉａｒｃａｌ　ｍｉｎｄｓｅｔ ．At least he admits that it is good to question “unless you’re a Muslim apparently.”

….The reason that I am congratulating an atheist is because he agrees with the first part of the Shahada i.e. the Islamic Creed, ‘La ilaaha’ -…. now the only part left is ‘il lallah’ i.e. ‘BUT ALLAH’ which I shall do Insha Allah. With others (who are not atheists) I have to first remove from their minds the wrong concept of God they may have and then put the correct concept of one true God.
I soooo want to thank him to for being an atheist. After all he disbelieves in all other gods.. One more to go and you will be a strong atheists. He also does not tell us what the right concept of god is. Perhaps he doesn’t know.

LOGICAL CONCEPT OF GOD My first question to the atheist will be: "What is the definition of God?"
Well I think he should give us his def since it is his god that he is trying to convert us to. there are many defs out their so you tell me what your version of god is and ill tell you wether I believe in it or not. So far with all the version ive been given I am still an atheists in all gods. The typical monotheistic god tends to be “perfect”, all knowing, all present all good etc… as well as invisible and the such.

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If a non-Muslim believes that Islam is a merciless religion with something to do with terrorism; a religion which does not give rights to women; a religion which contradicts science; in his limited sense that non-Muslim is correct to reject such Islam. The problem is he has a wrong picture of Islam….

I strongly believe that a religion is reflected in the people. While I don’t see muslims as a whole as being oppressive of women and such or similar things as listed above, the fact is that certain muslims act in such horrible ways as listed above. I would think the right religion wouldn’t have such problems.

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QUR’AN AND MODERN SCIENCE [/COLOR]
A couple of problems with this part.
Atheist and scientists demand evidence not proof. And I would suggest he and others read Richard dawkins the blind watch maker. But to just cover it a little bit. Watches are not alive. They do not reproduce. They are removed from evolution. The entire process of our formation is explained and accepted in the scientific community by evolution.
Not to mention the general fallacy of everything that was causes we caused by an intelligent force.


SCIENTIFIC FACTS MENTIONED IN THE QUR’AN: ..

And as I and others have stated before, there is nothing special about the so called scientific facts in the quran. Any actual knowledge was already known at the time. The majority of the “science” is not science but words or phrases taken out of context.
And this includes hadiths as well since those are often mentioned as “scientific miracles”.

and just to show how a "watch" could evolve naturally if it were organic..
http://www.videosift.com/video/Evolu...ind-Watchmaker
THEORY OF PROBABILITY

… I almost thought he was doing a pascas wager argument. But I read on anyway. He says that .

At the time when the Qur’an was revealed, people thought the world was flat, there are several other options for the shape of the earth…... The Qur’an rightly says it is spherical
This knowledge was known at the time. And heck even if there was no knowledge of the earth being a sphere at the time, if you make enough guesses it is likely at somepoint you might get something right. And of course the Koran is wrong many times on aspects of science.


Further, the Qur’an also mentions every living thing is made of water.
Wow no reading into this. Eh? Even kids know you need water to live. How many people in ancient times thought, I don’t need water to live. No one could have known we were made from water.. I mean its not like we drink it daily. of course we are not made out of just water. It is odd though that it also says we were made out of clay/dirt/earth... Hmm. last time i checked i was made out of flesh...
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CREATOR IS THE AUTHOR OF THE QUR’AN
I disagree. As stated there is nothing special about the quran. No special unknown science at the time. And just for the sake of DeAd lets say there are. There are other explanations as to why there could be unknown knowledge.
“aliens for instance, a different god… etc..”
QUR’AN IS A BOOK OF SIGNS AND NOT SCIENCE
He is right, it is not a book of science.
He says he provides scientific evidence that quran was divinely inspired but provides none.

SCIENCE IS ELIMINATING MODELS OF GOD BUT NOT GOD
Im not to sure what he was trying to say here. Perhaps argument from authority??

The typical god idea is not falsifiable and science can not touch it. Also it is very difficult to prove a negative.
Please prove that the GFSM, or the IPU does not exists.

We can look at things and say based on the evidence this and this does not likely exists.
And based on the evidence I do not believe in any of the gods presented to me.

[ranma1/2]

A good example of blind faith.

the quran is enough proof, if you need more then that then your just blind ;o

[glo]

I had to laugh at this sweeping statement:

... because most of the people who believe in God are doing blind belief - he is a Christian, because his father is a Christian; he is a Hindu, because his father is a Hindu; the majority of the people in the world are blindly following the religion of their fathers ...

I mean, what evidence does Dr. Zakir Naik base that kind of statement on?
And could the same be said about the Muslim population?

Starting with such unsustantiated generalisations, doesn't exactly give the rest of the article much credibility ...

Peace

[guyabano]

Nice reading, but I guess, you will never bring up proof enough to an Atheist that God ever exist.
Ok, Muslims will say, Quaran is proof enough! Hmmm, but where is then this proof of the Quaran?

All what I noticed is, that across all religions, people are asked 'just to believe'. That's it! But how can I beleive, if I cannot see anything neither touch anything? It's always fascinating me, how millions of persons 'blindly' believe in somehting, which doesn't exist.

[nevesirth]

an atheist is someone who knows tht GOD exists but tries everyday of his life to deny this fact. he brainwashes himself to think he believes tht there is no GOD. so proving the existence of ALLAH[swt] to such person might be a waste of precious time because the atheist is aware of this but chose to live in denial!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nevesirth]

Nice reading, but I guess, you will never bring up proof enough to an Atheist that God ever exist.
Ok, Muslims will say, Quaran is proof enough! Hmmm, but where is then this proof of the Quaran?

All what I noticed is, that across all religions, people are asked 'just to believe'. That's it! But how can I beleive, if I cannot see anything neither touch anything? It's always fascinating me, how millions of persons 'blindly' believe in somehting, which doesn't exist.

u might not believe in the creator as GOD or ALLAH[swt], but it will be foolish of someone not to believe there is a higher force tht caused existence to be. u might not believe in the concept in of which religions potray the supreme but u cant deny the fact tht there is an ultimate force in control of existence. u dint create urself neither did any man create the earth, so how do uy explain the coming to being of the world?

[nevesirth]

i think being atheist is just being childish.my advise to all atheists is tht they should grow up. u cant go on denying something u knw deep within urself exists, it doesnt make u seem tough or intelligent, it only makes u seen dull and ignorant and CHILDISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[IbnAbdulHakim]

i did not make that statement arrogant to the fact that the aethiests will completely deny it if not ridicule it.

But when a book comes to the most perfect human in the most eloquent style answering each and every problem of life and is still rejected then i honestly find a problem with the person.

Also i've grown a strong dislike for mathematics and science to always be shown to prove the validity of the quran, if anything this weakens my imaan! im not even kidding, anything Allah has revealed is far superior to anything humans can ever discover.


it is a fact that no book has stood the test of time other then the Quran Majeed. Allahu Akbar

[nevesirth]

A good example of blind faith.

i guess u think u were created by ur father and mother? did ur dad also create the world? or was it ur great grandpa who created the universe? i see, it must be ur uncle providing the air u breathe everyday. its better to follow a faith blindly than to be an atheist.

[guyabano]

i think being atheist is just being childish.my advise to all atheists is tht they should grow up. u cant go on denying something u knw deep within urself exists, it doesnt make u seem tough or intelligent, it only makes u seen dull and ignorant and CHILDISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

well, I don't know who act childish here?! The way how you express yourself doesn't show up of much maturity.
And besides, I find your words rather insulting and narrow minded, that's why I will comment more as it would be a waste of time.

[guyabano]

it is a fact that no book has stood the test of time other then the Quran Majeed. Allahu Akbar

Can you proove that? I would like to know

[nevesirth]

well, I don't know who act childish here?! The way how you express yourself doesn't show up of much maturity.
And besides, I find your words rather insulting and narrow minded, that's why I will comment more as it would be a waste of time.

yeah? i dont need u to comment anymore cuz u knw wht im saying is true, theres no need prolonging the issue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Can you proove that? I would like to know

why dont you research on it and let me know instead?

[MuhammadRizan]

salam.

i'm wondering, what actually an atheist arguments are?

1-Do not believe God existence at all?
2-Do not agree with religion?

[guyabano]

yeah? i dont need u to comment anymore cuz u knw wht im saying is true, theres no need prolonging the issue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Finally a wise word from you. Don't know about topics, so don't speak

[Skywalker]

Normally, when I meet an atheist, the first thing I like to do is to congratulate him and say, " My special congratulations to you", because most of the people who believe in God are doing blind belief - he is a Christian, because his father is a Christian; he is a Hindu, because his father is a Hindu; the majority of the people in the world are blindly following the religion of their fathers. An atheist, on the other hand, even though he may belong to a religious family, uses his intellect to deny the existence of God; what ever concept or qualities of God he may have learnt in his religion may not seem to be logical to him.

Well it might be true for some, but I think the majority don't even think about (in depth) whether there is a God or not because they don't have to. They live in secular societies where there is no connection between God and life, therefore why even wonder about something that you don't even need to think about? Just go with the flow of life, stick to what society tells you, enjoy worldly pleasures and you're ok. I guess the only thing that makes people think about God is death. Where do you go when you die, when you can't depend on society anymore? Does your consciousness go to a higher plane and await judgement for your actions in this world, or does it simply cease to exist?

For me, I don't know exactly what I would say to an atheist to try to get them to open their eyes. I mean you can talk about planetary alignments, animals and ecosystems, cell and DNA replication, facial uniqueness, brain anatomy, etc, etc, etc. all you want, and they might still tell you that it's all one big coincidence. I guess it's just a matter of whether Allah wants to open their eyes to the truth or not. Sub7an-Allah.

[guyabano]

salam.

i'm wondering, what actually an atheist arguments are?

1-Do not believe God existence at all?
2-Do not agree with religion?



Yahhh..just great! Dr Zakir Naik also have a funny eyebrows so hear me people of the world!! don't bother to read his work..

at least Ranma and Gubayano read this article.

Just to clarify one thing out: I never said, I'm an Atheist, or at least tell me, where I mentionned that!

Religion is one thing, believing in something/someone ist another thing.

I just refuse to believe in something which simply doesn't exist. Curiously, we can proove the existance of bones of a fauna (like dinosaures) which lived millions of years ago. Even the Egyptians with Pyramids, the Chinese with the great wall were able to show 5000 years ago of their existance, but from this Jesus/Mohammed stuff, I can see nothing. It's all just hear and say.

So far...

If some like to believe that, well it's their own right. The thread asked an opinion, I gave one, so no need to insult me, if my opinion differ from yours, specially directed to nevesirth