Girl stoned to death by family for falling in love
Internet video shows 17-year-old Iraqi Kurd Du’a Khalil Aswad being stoned by a group of men until she dies, all because she fell in love with a boy of a different religion
Baghdad, May 4: A 17-year-old girl has been stoned to death in Iraq because she loved a teenage boy of the wrong religion.
As a horrifying video of the stoning went out on the Internet, the British arm of Amnesty International condemned the death of Du’a Khalil Aswad as “an abhorrent murder” and demanded that her killers be brought to justice.
Reports from Iraq said a local security force witnessed the incident, but did nothing to try to stop it. Now her boyfriend is in hiding in fear for his life.
Aswad, a member of a minority Kurdish religious group called Yezidi, was condemned to death as an “honour killing” by other men in her family and hardline religious leaders because of her relationship with the Sunni Muslim boy.
They said she had shamed herself and her family when she failed to return home one night. Some reports suggested she had converted to Islam to be closer to her boyfriend.
Aswad had taken shelter in the house of a Yezidi tribal leader in Bashika, a predominantly Kurdish town near the northern capital, Mosul.
A large crowd watched as eight or nine men stormed the house and dragged Aswad into the street. There they hurled stones at her for half an hour until she was dead. The stoning happened last month, but only came to light on Wednesday with the release of the Internet video. It is feared her death has triggered a retaliatory attack. Last week 23 Yezidi workmen were forced off a bus travelling from Mosulto Bashika by a group of Sunni gunmen and summarily shot dead.
An Amnesty International spokesman in London said they receive frequent reports of honour crimes from Iraq. Most victims are women and girls who are considered by male relatives to have shamed their families by immoral behaviour.
As the world affairs forum is closed I am posting this in general forum. I hope it is ok
Video of Iraqi girl's stoning shown on Internet
ARBIL, Iraq, May 5, 2007 (AFP) - Cellphone videos have appeared on the Internet showing an Iraqi mob stoning and kicking to death a 17-year-old girl after she offended her minority community by eloping with a Muslim man.
Doaa Khalil Aswad was a member of northern Iraq's Yazidi religious sect but, according to local officials, she was murdered on April 7 by her brothers and uncles after she allegedly converted to Islam.
In the video -- on the Kurdish website Jebar.Info and rapidly spreading on the Internet -- Aswad is shown lying in the road as men kick her and throw a large lump of rock or concrete at her head.
Her face is drenched in blood but uniformed and armed officers of the Iraqi police stand by and do nothing to prevent the attack.
The slim, dark-haired girl is wearing a red tracksuit top and black underwear during the beating
At one point she struggles to sit up and cover herself, but a man kicks her in the face knocking her violently back to the ground.
The assault continues for several minutes and she does not appear to cry out nor resist her attackers.
Members of a large crowd can be seen filming the murder on their cellphones, some of them shouting or kicking out at the cowering victim.
Nobody tries to help her.
"They brutally killed a young Yazidi girl in pursuit of out-of-date tribal rites," said Tahsin Saeed Ali, Emir of the Yazidis in Iraq and the world and head of the Supreme Yazidi Spiritual Council, in a statement.
Ali condemned the murder and called on Muslims not to retaliate. When news of Aswad's murder surfaced last month, it triggered an apparent revenge attack.
On April 23, gunmen stopped a bus carrying workers to her community, the village of Beshika 10 kilometres (six miles) outside Mosul, dragged out 23 Yazidis and shot them dead.
While it is a Kurdish speaking area, Beshika lies outside northern Iraq's Kurdish autonomous region, whose administration has urged the national government in Baghdad to carry out an investigation into the murder.
Last week the United Nations' quarterly report on human rights in Iraq expressed serious concern over a rapid rise in so-called "honour killings" of women deemed to have betrayed their families in Kurdish Iraq.
"The killing of Doaa is a great tragedy for her family and the Kurdish community. It is a crime and religiously, socially and ideologically unacceptable," a statement from the Kurdish authority said
"While we condemn this crime, we demand that it be not used in arousing sedition among the components of the Kurdish people.
Yazidis -- who number some 500,000, mainly in northern Iraq -- speak a dialect of Kurdish but follow a pre-Islamic religion and have their own cultural traditions.
They believe in God the creator and respect the Biblical and Koranic prophets, especially Abraham, but their main focus of worship is Malak Taus, the chief of the archangels, often represented by a peacock.
Followers of other religions know this angel as Lucifer or Satan, leading to popular prejudice that the secretive Yazidis are devil-worshippers.
Nevertheless, the community has survived for centuries alongside its Muslim and Christian neighbours. Now, however, with sectarian war gripping much of Iraq, Sunni Muslim extremists have begun to threaten them.
Aswad is shown lying in the road as men kick her and throw a large lump of rock or concrete at her head.
Her face is drenched in blood but uniformed and armed officers of the Iraqi police stand by and do nothing to prevent the attack.
At one point she struggles to sit up and cover herself, but a man kicks her in the face knocking her violently back to the ground.
The assault continues for several minutes and she does not appear to cry out nor resist her attackers.
Members of a large crowd can be seen filming the murder on their cellphones, some of them shouting or kicking out at the cowering victim.
Nobody tries to help her.
I hope they get a far worse punishment when they die. How could you watch a defenceless 17yr old girl being brutally beaten to death or even recording the incident on your phone, kicking her and throwing rocks at her head? What makes it all the worse is why were the police not intervening? Have they not been trained properly or are they just wimps?
They sound evil. Worshipping the angel of "satan?" It says it all. Let God deal with these animals
What a brutal act, i cannot imagine how anyone could stand by and watch this brutality occur let alone take part in it, may God give the girl justice, Ameen.
"Were they created by nothing, or were they themselves the creators?
Or did they create the heavens and the earth?
Nay, they have no firm belief.”
[Holy Qur'an: 52:35-36]
They sound evil. Worshipping the angel of "satan?" It says it all.
I'm confused between old-school Islam and the new politically-correct Islam and it's events like this that make it almost impossible for me to follow any teaching.
First, I never knew Yezidis 'worshipped' angels. I thought they simply honored them.
Secondly, Islam has exactly the same rules and this issue was also well published. The only difference was that a man was charged. If memory serves, back in March of 2006, Abdul Rahman risked being sentenced to death because he converted to Christianity:
Kabul - An Afghan man is being prosecuted in a Kabul court and could be sentenced to death after being charged with converting from Islam to Christianity, a crime under this country's Islamic shariah laws, a judge said on Sunday.
They sound evil. Worshipping the angel of "satan?" It says it all. Let God deal with these animals
That's what them devil worshipers get. The girl liked a Muslim boy and had converted to Islam. Her family and community did this to her as a punishment, and then the Muslim community avenged her by killing those murderers.
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I'm confused between old-school Islam and the new politically-correct Islam and it's events like this that make it almost impossible for me to follow any teaching.
First, I never knew Yezidis 'worshipped' angels. I thought they simply honored them.
Secondly, Islam has exactly the same rules and this issue was also well published. The only difference was that a man was charged. If memory serves, back in March of 2006, Abdul Rahman risked being sentenced to death because he converted to Christianity:
Now, given this... can someone explain to me exactly what the difference is?
The Ninth Scribe
The afghan guy was a gig, to make a big drama. It was a smart man's way of making the dumb westerners pay for his ticket out of the land they were bombing.
As for the topic of leaving islam and it's punishment. There is a thread ongoing on here that that discusses this and explains it. You should check it out.
Maybe a mod or someone else can share the link to that thread here inshallah.
Secondly, Islam has exactly the same rules and this issue was also well published. The only difference was that a man was charged. If memory serves, back in March of 2006, Abdul Rahman risked being sentenced to death because he converted to Christianity:
Now, given this... can someone explain to me exactly what the difference is?
The Ninth Scribe
He was claimed to be mentally insane, thats why he could rescued his life.
First of all, the punishment for Apostasy in christianity and judaism is to stone the apostate:
Leviticus 24:16
16 anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD must be put to death. The entire assembly must stone him. Whether an alien or native-born, when he blasphemes the Name, he must be put to death.
The afghan guy was a gig, to make a big drama. It was a smart man's way of making the dumb westerners pay for his ticket out of the land they were bombing.
So you are 100% sure that this afghani man converted only to escape from Afghanistan? Do you have any proofs of this? Any links? Or this is just your own thought?
So you are 100% sure that this afghani man converted only to escape from Afghanistan? Do you have any proofs of this? Any links? Or this is just your own thought?
It doesn't take a genius to figure out the guy's motives considering the situation he was in. If you were being bombed night and day and saw no hope of future in such a chaos and had enough knowledge of how the westerns think and knowing well how they would buy you ticket, give you a nice play to stay and start a new life, wouldn't you take an advantage of that? The guy is enjoying his life in italy right now, much better than rest of the afghan civilians that are being bombed by NATO who claims they killed insurgents, and then turns around and apologize.
Second, can you bring proof from any Islamic religious texts which prove that the apostate should be stoned to death?[/COLOR]
Thanks in advance.
I can't because the interpretation of Shariah varies so much and the scholars all tell me the other scholars are wrong... so I've been doing a lot of ducking from their cross-fire.
I also have this other problem. When I read the holy books, the authors of each come to my mind as Great Grand Father, Grand Father and Father - three generations from one family tree, so it's very hard for me to imagine one could be accused of Apostasy since the traditions are what they are... of a generational line... the sons of Abraham.
Makes me feel a bit like Little Red Robinhood. Am I going to get it from the big bad wolf all because I wanted to visit Grandma's house?
I can't because the interpretation of Shariah varies so much and the scholars all tell me the other scholars are wrong... so I've been doing a lot of ducking from their cross-fire.
lol most don't, however the scholars have a wider range of opinions because Allaah made this religion easy. So it isn't rigid, rather its more flexible. That's why the scholars have a difference of opinion, and we also know that the scholar who makes ijtihaad/a ruling will get two rewards if he/she is correct, and one reward if they never got the correct opinion. So long as they try their best.
I also have this other problem. When I read the holy books, the authors of each come to my mind as Great Grand Father, Grand Father and Father - three generations from one family tree, so it's very hard for me to imagine one could be accused of Apostasy since the traditions are what they are... of a generational line.
I don't totally understand what you mean regarding that, but the narrations are passed on through a chain of narration. There is no other way history can be authentically recorded, because the links are what make it authentic/strong.
Makes me feel a bit like Little Red Robinhood. Am I going to get it from the big bad wolf all because I wanted to visit Grandma's house?
dont worry, you're safe there insha Allaah (God willing.) lol
Dunno what to think at this point.
The Ninth Scribe
No worries, its kool to chat to an open minded person.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out the guy's motives considering the situation he was in. If you were being bombed night and day and saw no hope of future in such a chaos and had enough knowledge of how the westerns think and knowing well how they would buy you ticket, give you a nice play to stay and start a new life, wouldn't you take an advantage of that? The guy is enjoying his life in italy right now, much better than rest of the afghan civilians that are being bombed by NATO who claims they killed insurgents, and then turns around and apologize.
Are you excusing the fact that he abandoned his wife, kids and family for a comfy life? In my book, that makes him a sell out... which is twenty times worse than Apostasy.
It's not that I don't understand the hardship, but I've come to understand that Necessity is the mother of Invention, not Luxury. Maybe if you get pushed hard enough and for long enough... you hit you're limit and face-off with the problem. That's how problems really get solved. I suppose you can always take a pill... but that doesn't actually solve the problems. It just makes it so you don't care about them.
I dunno... I need to go away for awhile and think on all this.
Are you excusing the fact that he abandoned his wife, kids and family for a comfy life? In my book, that makes him a sell out... which is twenty times worse than Apostasy.
It's not that I don't understand the hardship, but I've come to understand that Necessity is the mother of Invention, not Luxury. Maybe if you get pushed hard enough and for long enough... you hit you're limit and face-off with the problem. That's how problems really get solved. I suppose you can always take a pill... but that doesn't actually solve the problems. It just makes it so you don't care about them.
I dunno... I need to go away for awhile and think on all this.
The Ninth Scribe
Afghans are old traditionalists who will die before they change their ways. And it doesn't even have that many christians there to begin with, who is telling tall tales of the bible then?
I've learned long ago with such things, things are never what they seem. We don't know if he had a family or not, and we don't even know if the US gov't or other top group arranged all this drama to get the heat off of them. Like i said, there's always more to it then what they (media) shows you.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out the guy's motives considering the situation he was in. If you were being bombed night and day and saw no hope of future in such a chaos and had enough knowledge of how the westerns think and knowing well how they would buy you ticket, give you a nice play to stay and start a new life, wouldn't you take an advantage of that? The guy is enjoying his life in italy right now, much better than rest of the afghan civilians that are being bombed by NATO who claims they killed insurgents, and then turns around and apologize.
But still those are only your own opinions without any firm facts.
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