The statement issued by the Islamic terror organization Secret Organisation Group of al-Qaeda claiming it carried out today’s bombings in Central London is chilling reading and very ominous for the future here in England and elsewhere. I was against the war as were millions of other people. The military action against Afghanistan and Iraq is clearly mentioned in the statement. The bombing of Iraq and Afghanistan was an act of bullying of the highest order, despite having reservations of any attacks on Iraq, the UN were pushed aside by the real tyrant Bush and his poodle Blair and they both misled other leaders with a concoction of poisonous lies and spin in order to lead an unjust and heinous attack on the Iraqi people, I say Iraqi people because Saddaam unlike the people of Iraq is tucked up nice and cosy at a secret location somewhere, where he is being pampered with regular meals, new clean clothes, a nice warm bed, and he even receives free regular dental treatment something even the British tax payers don’t enjoy.
More than 100,000 civilians have probably died as direct or indirect consequences of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, according to a study by a research team at Johns Hopkins University's Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore. Although the paper's authors acknowledge that thorough data collection was difficult in what is effectively still a war zone, the data they managed to collect are extensive: Iraqis were 2.5 times more likely to die in the 17 months following the invasion than in the 14 months before it. Before the invasion, the most common causes of death in Iraq were heart attacks, strokes and chronic diseases. Afterward, violent death was far ahead of all other causes.
The abuse the prisoners faced in the Abu Gharib prison which was photographed with US and British soldiers abusing inmates and torturing them was always going to create some sort of revenge... now we know.
Britain played a huge part in these attacks. The prisoners in those pictures were helpless, but someone somewhere was always going to retaliate on their behalf. Surely we cannot be surprised at what happened today and act all innocent.
Blair first gave the excuse he was after the weapons of mass destruction and that turned out to be a lie. Then he went for regime change, yes Saddaam was a dictator but there are hundreds of dictators all over the world why not go after them?
The truth is hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, amongst them many women and young children; surely we were going to pay for that!
Far from trying to combat terrorism have Bush and Blair increased the likelihood of terror attacks by their actions?
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When you engage in a war you must expect retaliation.
If I throw a rock at your head and you start bleeding, I would expect a reaction from you.
The Prophet Muhammad PBUH engaged in Jihad.
The innocent people you say...most of which are against Islamic views.
In Islam you have to kill homosexuals, stone to death adulterers, kill any Muslim who renounces faith, death penalties for murderers and cutting of limbs for theives this is Islamic law, as commanded by Allah SWT.
The innocent people you are talking about all reject this.
Re: Have Bush and Blair increased terrorism by their actions
format_quote Originally Posted by Zafar
When you engage in a war you must expect retaliation.
If I throw a rock at your head and you start bleeding, I would expect a reaction from you.
The Prophet Muhammad PBUH engaged in Jihad.
The innocent people you say...most of which are against Islamic views.
In Islam you have to kill homosexuals, stone to death adulterers, kill any Muslim who renounces faith, death penalties for murderers and cutting of limbs for theives this is Islamic law, as commanded by Allah SWT.
The innocent people you are talking about all reject this.
So that is what Islam is all about, killing those who do not believe?
I thought the Prophet (PBuH) said that the People of the Book (Christians and Jews) were to be protected.
Re: Have Bush and Blair increased terrorism by their actions
format_quote Originally Posted by Zafar
When you engage in a war you must expect retaliation.
If I throw a rock at your head and you start bleeding, I would expect a reaction from you.
The Prophet Muhammad PBUH engaged in Jihad.
The innocent people you say...most of which are against Islamic views.
In Islam you have to kill homosexuals, stone to death adulterers, kill any Muslim who renounces faith, death penalties for murderers and cutting of limbs for theives this is Islamic law, as commanded by Allah SWT.
The innocent people you are talking about all reject this.
Brother Zafar,
If Allah (SWT) and our beloved prophet (SAWS) had prescribed the above (killing people are OK who holds views against some Islamic laws) as you claim, then all that is preached by the Daniel Pipes, Taslima Nasreens, Salman Rushdie's and Ali Sina's claim would be true and Muslims of the world would forever be locked in a mortal fight with the rest of the world to convert them or kill them. This has not been the case in 1400 years of Islam's history, instead it brought people prosperity and development where-ever it went, except for the last 200 years when we were defeated by the colonizers.
Before you go on to make sweeping statements like the above, on behalf of 1.7 billion muslims of the Ummah, if I may humbly ask to please ask yourself, if in reality how many you speak for.
Re: Have Bush and Blair increased terrorism by their actions
format_quote Originally Posted by khilji
Brother Zafar,
If Allah (SWT) and our beloved prophet (SAWS) had prescribed the above (killing people are OK who holds views against some Islamic laws) as you claim, then all that is preached by the Daniel Pipes, Taslima Nasreens, Salman Rushdie's and Ali Sina's claim would be true and Muslims of the world would forever be locked in a mortal fight with the rest of the world to convert them or kill them. This has not been the case in 1400 years of Islam's history, instead it brought people prosperity and development where-ever it went, except for the last 200 years when we were defeated by the colonizers.
Before you go on to make sweeping statements like the above, on behalf of 1.7 billion muslims of the Ummah, if I may humbly ask to please ask yourself, if in reality how many you speak for.
Re: Have Bush and Blair increased terrorism by their actions
format_quote Originally Posted by Zafar
When you engage in a war you must expect retaliation.
If I throw a rock at your head and you start bleeding, I would expect a reaction from you.
The Prophet Muhammad PBUH engaged in Jihad.
The innocent people you say...most of which are against Islamic views.
In Islam you have to kill homosexuals, stone to death adulterers, kill any Muslim who renounces faith, death penalties for murderers and cutting of limbs for theives this is Islamic law, as commanded by Allah SWT.
The innocent people you are talking about all reject this.
Brother reread this post and think about what you have written.
Do you know what any of the dead thought,believed, which religion they followed?
If you could tell me how you know what they believed I would like you to share this knowledge.
Your posting shows a great insensitivity towards others feelings at this time, and surely as Muslims we are bound to find out the truth behind anything and not just assume.
Re: Have Bush and Blair increased terrorism by their actions
Shariah must be implemented.
This is incumbent on all Muslims.
After which everyone will be protected Muslim or Non Muslim.
To implement Shariah will be bloody.
The Kuffaar refuse to live under Shariah, this is the problem,
Its irelevant how many Muslims believe this.
Re: Have Bush and Blair increased terrorism by their actions
Originally Posted by Zafar
When you engage in a war you must expect retaliation.
If I throw a rock at your head and you start bleeding, I would expect a reaction from you.
The Prophet Muhammad PBUH engaged in Jihad.
The innocent people you say...most of which are against Islamic views.
In Islam you have to kill homosexuals, stone to death adulterers, kill any Muslim who renounces faith, death penalties for murderers and cutting of limbs for theives this is Islamic law, as commanded by Allah SWT.
The innocent people you are talking about all reject this.
Brother Zafar i think the above statement shouldn't have been said without an expansion on each point. I understand what you are saying but it's dangerous as many others may not.
Here's one of may favourite surah of the qu'ran (because I recite it everyday, lol and I implement it too )
Surah 109: The Disbelievers - al Kafiroon
"Disbelievers! I do not worship what you worship nor do you worship what I worship. I shall never worship what you worship You have your own religion and I have mine."
Re: Have Bush and Blair increased terrorism by their actions
format_quote Originally Posted by Zafar
Shariah must be implemented.
This is incumbent on all Muslims.
After which everyone will be protected Muslim or Non Muslim.
To implement Shariah will be bloody.
The Kuffaar refuse to live under Shariah, this is the problem,
Its irelevant how many Muslims believe this.
You say to implement Shariah will be bloody can you explain how that ties in with the ruling that we must not kill women, children and non-combatants?
Someone said to the Prophet, "Pray to God against the idolaters and curse them." The Prophet replied, "I have been sent to show mercy and have not been sent to curse." (Muslim)
Someone said to the Prophet, "Pray to God against the idolaters and curse them." The Prophet replied, "I have been sent to show mercy and have not been sent to curse." (Muslim)
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You can't pin everything down to Blair. He is only one man.
There is no eveidence to support that because of Blair's actions 40+ british victims died. They died cus someone bombed london.
Someone said to the Prophet, "Pray to God against the idolaters and curse them." The Prophet replied, "I have been sent to show mercy and have not been sent to curse." (Muslim)
Re: Have Bush and Blair increased terrorism by their actions
format_quote Originally Posted by Hash
Brother prevention is better than cure, do you think, if he never attacked muslims and waged war on muslims, invaded islamic countires and occupy muslim coun tires, do you think if he never did all this these people would resist against him. Look at poland or swedan, these countires leave muslims alone, they dont persecute or attack muslims, so they tjhemself no one retaliates against them. But look at blair, becuase of his actions, obvously he made his country a target and becuase of his actions 40+ innocent british people lost their lives.
I tend to agree, but just playing Devil's Advocate here, using that logic what was the motivation for the 9/11 attacks?
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