It strikes me as very interesting that when it appears that Palestine can be helped with military aid we are ready to jump in. but, where were we when Palestine could have been helped economicaly. Where were we when Palestine was working to become an independant productive country. Where was our support when Palestine tries to sell it's produce and products on the open market and become self sufficient.
Source: http://www.miftah.org/Display.cfm?Do...1&CategoryId=3Even though Israel has trade barriers vis a vis Palestinian exported goods and services, it remains Palestine’s biggest trade partner with 94.3% of all Palestinian exports going to Israel. Left with a mere 5.7% being traded with fellow Arab states. Countries such as Syria, Lebanon and Kuwait actually prohibit Palestinian goods from entering their countries, under the pre-text that this would mean recognizing, or in that matter making peace with Israel. However the simple question arises, what does trade with Palestine have to do with recognizing Israel? Other Arab countries such as the likes of Egypt and Libya actually have the audacity to impose trade barriers in an attempt to marginalise the quantity of Palestinian exports flowing into their countries. In someway these actions reflect the actual support Palestine receives on the political level. Funnily enough, Arab products are traded without entry barriers and are available duty-free in Palestine. Why not have trade relationships with Palestine, which is supposedly the number 1 cause in the Arab world, based on reciprocity.
Jordan, Saudia Arabia and the United Arab Emirates represent the only Arab states to comply with the 2001 Arab Summit resolution, “calling for an end to trade barriers, lifting political barriers and exempting Palestinian products from tariffs.” In another statement commenting on this issue Samir Hulileh went on to say, “The Arab world continues to support Palestine, for which we are very grateful. However, there is more that can be done. We urge Arab governments to translate their political backing into ones that can also build business partnerships.”
Palestinian exports come in the form of Non metallic mineral manufacturers, fruits and vegetables, iron and steel, furniture and mattresses, footwear, tobacco products, cork and wood and finally animal and vegetable fertilizers. Ironically the Palestinian National Authority has free trade agreements with Israel, the USA, Canada, the EU, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Iceland and Norway. With only partial agreements on free trade, with Egypt and Jordan. Left with the question what about the remaining 20 Arab states?
Last edited by Woodrow; 09-25-2006 at 01:30 PM.
I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaaccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkk. That said I think muslims have failed Palestine greatly by not willing to comprimise. By taking the stand that they will take nothing less than the removal of Israel they undermine what should be the ultimate goal. A palestinain state.
My question exactly. But, no matter... I didn't hear no phat lady sing so the game is still on!format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow
Ninth Scribe
For me... yes.. Because we failed to bring this mess to the justice.. read the "Bush get in Jail" thread forum
True. If the surrounding Nations had supported Palestine economicaly, the Palestinian people never would have been dependent on Israel for their economy. As it is the about only country Palestinians can sell their production to is to Israel. Plus most Palestinians can not find work in the West Bank and need to go to Israel to work. The economic prison is much stronger then any walls or fences. Sadly, the Arab Nations can buy Palestinian goods duty free, but they refuse to trade with them.format_quote Originally Posted by din_gen
This could have all been a war fought with economic competition without a single bullet being fired.
Agreed with you Bro Woodrow on that.But for me the priority for Muslim country is to help them establish a steady and uncorrupted government(almost impossible),otherwise it would lead to internal distruction result from mismanagement.
Salaam,
again they forget,how can the arab world or muslim world empower palestine when the Isrealis control the ports and the opening to other countries.
As always,the Isrealis are doing land grab and are using using the the name Palestine to market their goods that is why most arab nations boycott this.
Murder Palesitnian,grab their land and then use their name to market Isrelais goods...
Despicable..
Now even with Israel owing the Palesitnian 50 million monthly,they will not release this money becasue they wish to CAST FEAR On every inhavbitant of Palestine.
If the Arab nation or any muslim nation accept good that travel via Israel then it is givng Israel profits not of their making.
The Palestinian have no choice BUT to deal with the Isrealis and have trade aggrement with them,,why simple,,where are their border and how will they ship the goods?
Isreal has already siad it will bomb and destroy any plans for Gaza to build a port thus removing a viable income form the Isrealis goveremnt tax.
so tell me anyone,how cna we support Israel with money and an econmy while the Isrealis consider the Palestianina s less than human?
So until a Paletinian nation is built ,muslim should have no trade relation with the Israel.
The western nation already have the paletinain cornered already depending on western aid,thus they have a leverage,to oppress and force their way onto Palestinian.
i am sure in time should the boycott fail,these western nation will press on the Palestina to allow the Dome to be destoyed for their survival..
So continue the boycott,boycott Isrealis good.
The only way for Palesitne to be anation is if the Muslim world unite and leaders once and for all stop all trade with coutnries backing Israel...but as i said,the Muslim leaders are too enaoumred with the secular lifetyle....than to follow Islam..
As do some "moderates muslim " here too..
Last edited by Zulkiflim; 09-25-2006 at 05:44 PM.
Stop blowing up stuff and those ports can open. Wow I'm good maybe I can be a dipomat. I just solved the middle east conflict in one sentence. Where's my Peace Prize?format_quote Originally Posted by Zulkiflim
They really care about their muslims brother and sisters that facing a war that they never want to. Why you want them to stop blowing up stuff? Who are you? The President of UN?format_quote Originally Posted by Geronimo
I think it has been fairly obvious historically that Arab and Muslim nations haven't been generous or giving to Palestinians. However, they don't mind using the Palestinian situation as a political tool in their home countries. Palestinians are in a similar situation to the Jewish people before the creation of Israel. They are in their own diaspora, and don't have a homeland to fall back on. Muslim nations and the West need to work together to create the best outcome for Palestinians, alongside the nation of Israel.
Nope and the UN has a Secretary General not a President. That being said things would be a lot better if I was Secretary-Generalformat_quote Originally Posted by din_gen
format_quote Originally Posted by Geronimo
By refusing other peoples opinion? Is that why you being here?
Still time to turn the tables, for any of the willing ~ you all have talents to contributeformat_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow
Ninth Scribe
No by challenging people to a contest of Hungry Hungry Hipposformat_quote Originally Posted by din_gen
That will happen if people can understand that wars fought with weapons are no longer a feasible option. There was a time when all it took was military supperioity to win a war. However, in todays world the true wars are now battles of economics. Bombs and bullets only kill people. International trade and economics determine who wins a war. Palestines best weapon is to develope economic stability and self sufficiency. That can be achieved with the cooperation of Muslims. Going in to fight a physical battle is now archaic and non productive. No country has won a war by military might since WW2 and even the outcome of that is debatable as to who won.format_quote Originally Posted by Ninth_ScribeStill time to turn the tables, for any of the willing ~ you all have talents to contribute
Ninth Scribe
The entire Israel-Palestine region is incapable of economic growth without the cooperation of the surrounding neighbors. Neither country has sufficient resources to produce any products that would sustain the economy of them. The only truly exportable products are technology and investment in foreign businesses. The future of either is going to be as development into a major trade center or a major education center, possibly a combination of both. Palestine has the potential to become the prime distribution center for Jordan, Lebannon and Syria. But, they will have to help support Palestine for that to happen. Little can be achieved as long as Palestine only has one trade partner and that partner is currently Israel. Muslims need to buy Palestine produced products until Palestine can experience growth. Warfare is destructive for Palestine's future
What would happen if Israel ceased to trade with the Palestinians? Chaos in West Bank and Gaza.
Economics is a very powerful weapon and has replaced armament as a means of defeating a nation. either deliberatly or unplanned it is keeping the Palestinians in shackles. The only way they can break those shackles is to concentrate on economic development and become self reliant. They can not afford to think of military might, as the price of it prevents them from developing the best weapon they have.format_quote Originally Posted by ManchesterFolk
format_quote Originally Posted by Geronimo
Heya
I agree,,the best solution is for Isreal to stop using bombs and wmd to force cooperation..
It only creates enimity.
The people attack the Palestinian but when the Paletinian defend themsevles they are the terrorist.
So it is a line used by moderates muslim in support of Israel as well as warmogner and evangleist and kafirs..
Inshallah,the reckoning is for eternal..
Salaam,format_quote Originally Posted by ManchesterFolk
Good question,what has happened now..
Under bobsa dn road block,women barred form hospital and medical,children gunned down..and YET...
Palestinian still thrive their Birth rate is 3 X that of Isrealis...
As they say in the end,the people control the land...Inshallah.
And by the way,you do know that the Isrealis land grab Palestinian land force palestinian to work there and sll their produce made in Palestina land as made in Israel...
Cool huh,wonder what would Israel do wihout thes FERTILE lands..to feed them and others..
More aid from the US and a bigger debt,inshallah..
format_quote Originally Posted by Keltoi
Salaam,
you read what you want to dont you,it is simple lah,In Islam when we give we do not HIGHLIGHT it for the world to know.
The west want to be known as a donor a fund raiser....but let me ask you,,to whom do the west give moeny more to ?
To arm Israel or to raise life?
the answer to arm israel..
I am very sure that moderate muslim here in this forum will never see the truth of the western hyrpocrisy,,,,Give aid to Lebanon while sending Bombs to Israel.
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