welcome to LI!
you will find that non-muslims here like to stick their noses in to everything.
it probably has to do with the arbitrary way the colonialists made the borders.
that still effects a lot of countries.
each man thinks of his own fleas as gazelles
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Well, If you really think about it, it was bound to happen. Afterall, Ethiopia is USA-backed, and there are supposed 'terrorists' in Somalia. That gives the Ethiopians a reason to invade Somalia and rid the country of the 'terrorists.' Apparently Al-Qaeda was in there too..lol.
Somalia has been corrupted for quite a while actually, with the Ethiopians coming into my country, I'm not very surprised.
I don't know where I stand on the issue, I don't know enough. :\
The truth is Somalia was without a goverment for at least 15 years then in june or may 2006 the Islamic courts took Mogadishu and for 6 months while they were ruling Somalia there was no violence or bloodshed but as soon as they were removed from power by us puppet Ethiopia along with the Somalian goverment which is a puppet to not only Ethiopia but of course America the Islamic courts union ruled Somalia perfectly but now Somalia is out of control again thanks to America well done again BUSH you war criminal.
we have a number of somali members - maybe they can share their view.
from what they have said in the past, they support the islamic courts and said that they had brought order out of chaos.
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Hello fellow Muslims weather you are sunni or shiite what do we think about catholic Ethiopia illegally occupying a Muslim country Somalia?
Somalia is a Muslim country whose gov't is a puppet gov't that oppresses the people and does whatever it pleases. there hadn't been peace in that land for ages. The Islamic court came along and made that peace possible. Ethiopians fearing Islamic moving taking place wanted to crush them, and US helped by bombing the hell out of somalia in the basis of new "qaeda" activities found there. Not just men, but women and teenagers and 10yr olds were seen coming out of their houses with guns to fight the ethopian to in order to keep their peace.
After ethopia took over, there was murder and rape as is usual when kuffars take over muslim lands. the soldiers were pulling hijabs of the women and forcing them to not wear it, where once these women loved wearing full burqa with freedom.
Allah commands us to fight those who invade our land, violate our property, honor, life. It is not only a command but a obligatory to fight such invasions of Muslim lands.
Four giant US oil companies stand to make a killing in Somalia if US troops can pacify the strategic African nation, the Los Angeles Times has revealed. The report further undermines US claims that the invasion was a "humanitarian mission" rather than one to defend US military and economic interests in the region.
The report, which appeared on January 18, revealed that almost two-thirds of Somalia was allocated to the oil giants Conoco, Amoco, Chevron and Phillips by the pro-US dictator Mohamed Siad Barre. Barre was overthrown in January 1991.
It seems a significant motive behind the decision of US President George Bush, a former Texas oil magnate, to send troops to Somalia may have been protecting the oil industry's multimillion-dollar investments there.
The LA Times revealed that Conoco, the only major multinational corporation to maintain a functioning office in Mogadishu since 1991, allowed its Mogadishu corporate compound to be transformed into the de facto US embassy before US Marines landed in the capital. The president of the company's subsidiary in Somalia served as the US government's volunteer "facilitator" before and during the intervention.
"They sent all the wrong signals when [ US special envoy Robert] Oakley moved into the Conoco compound", an expert on Somalia who worked with one of the four companies in the late 1980s told the LA Times.
"It's left everyone thinking the big question here isn't famine relief but oil -- whether the oil concessions granted under Siad Barre will be transferred if and when peace is restored. It's potentially worth billions of dollars, and believe me, that's what the whole game is starting to look like."
According to Thomas O'Connor, principal petroleum engineer for the World Bank, who headed a three-year study of the oil prospects in the Gulf of Aden, off Somalia's northern coast, Somalia's oilfields have "high [commercial] potential ... once the Somalis get their act together".
In 1991 a World Bank-coordinated study, geologists put Somalia and Sudan at the top of the list of eight prospective commercial oil producers.
In 1986, Conoco, Amoco, Chevron, Phillips and, briefly, Shell obtained exploration licences for northern Somalia from Siad Barre's government. Somalia was carved up into concessions, with Conoco, Amoco and Chevron winning the right to explore and exploit the most promising ones. The companies' interest in Somalia was sparked by the mid-'80s discovery of an estimated 1 billion barrels of oil across the Gulf of Aden in Yemen. Geologists believe those reserves are part of a great field that extends into and across northern Somalia.
The Yemeni operation now yields nearly 200,000 barrels of oil a day. Then vice president George Bush was on hand to officially open the Texas-based Hunt Oil Corporation's refinery in Yemen in April 1986. In his speech, which concluded a 10-day Middle East tour, Bush stressed "the growing strategic importance to the West of developing crude oil sources in the region away from the Strait of Hormuz". The Strait of Hormuz controls access to the Persian Gulf and its vast oil reserves.
United Press International reported soon after: "Throughout the course of his 17,000-mile trip, Bush suggested continued low [oil] prices would jeopardise a domestic oil industry `vital to the national security interests of the United States', which was interpreted at home and abroad as a sign the one-time oil driller from Texas was coming to the aid of his former associates".
Since the US invasion of Somalia on December 9 little has been said in public about Somalia's potential for oil and natural gas production.
The U.S. and the foormer Soviet Union spent the last two decades building up the military forces in both Somalia and Ethiopia, each switching sides in the mid-70s. During the 1980s, the U.S. supplied approximately $700 million worth of "foreign aid." (weapons and food ) to the Somalian dictator Siad Barre. The U.S. sole concern was to maintain a regme subordinate to U.S. political and military interests in the volatile area of the Middle East and to directlly counter the Soviet presence in Ethiopia. The Soviet Union collapsed and exited Ethiopia in the late 80s.. Civil war developed in Somalia.. The U.S. continued to support brutal Barre regime "til he lost power in the summer of 1991. Drought, starvation and civil war had already taken a toll of millions in the Horn of Africa and the crisis worsened when the U.S. abandoned Somalia after years of creating its total dependency on imported food.
Why has the U.S. returned and why now?
The larger relief organizations such as The Red Crescent/Red Cross agencies (ICRC) and Save The Children have been successfully operating in Somalia for well over a year. During this time, the U.N. and U.S. connected relief organizations. have complained that over 80% of their food was being looted, limiting their success. Contrary to media reports which have totally perverted the real story, the crisis seems to revolve around those agencies that refuse to negotiate with the Somali clans. At the same time, even the relatively meager supplies promised to these agencies by the U.S. were not delivered. Again, contrary to media presentation of relief workers welcoming the military, many have criticized the U.S. because the relief efforts in Somalia have been all but shut down under the military occupation by the U.S. It seems the priority of this U.S. force is to impose its own relief plan regardless of any existing efforts that have been functioning with negotiated agreements that recognize the clan infrastructure . The timing on this invasion is more than suspicious. The U.S., in the midst of the changing of the guard, faces a growing dissatisfaction in the way the country is being run. The U.S. Armed Forces are sweating spending cuts and are frantic to justify their $300 billion a year budget in this post-Cold War era. Even the main stream press, The Seattle Times, 12/7/92, touts in its Somalia headlines, "For Marines, crisis comes in handy."
* This invasion could also be viewed as a test run on many levels. They have chosen a region where there is almost no opposition or economic interest by other nations. Here, the military is able to test deployment speed, troop movement and weaponry with little risk. They are working on and improving their new model for military actions in the face of the changing political conditions around the world. In a Seattle Times editorial, Somalia was said to have the,"perfect laboratory conditions for invasion."
* Through the United Nations, the U.S. rulers are testing out relationships with the junior imperialists and Third World rulers. The U.S. is forging and testing loyalties. They"re finding out who will lie in the gutters with them and how much will it cost to buy them. Who will they prop up in power in Somalia before they leave?
* During the last year we have been overwhelmed with pictures of thousands of poor, starving, and ill Somalian people. With all of the resources, it is criminal for people to starve anywhere in the world today. The people in Somalia ARE in desperate need. But we have to remember how the U.S. has used the media in the past to paint their picture of reality and crisis. The U.S. is again using the media to manipulate our emotions to meet their own needs, not the Somalian peoples needs. We see pictures of starving Somalians, do we see who ruined their economy and lives? We hear them refer to "armed thugs," do we learn who armed them? Like the Persian Gulf War, the U.S. government is honing its ability to control public opinion through control of the media, and the media is falling all over themselves to help.
Racist chauvinism
Operation Restore Hope is another case of the "white man"s burden," that supposed supreme mandate to take care of the "less fortunate" around the world. But the reality is one of take from not take care of. When was the last time we invaded a "white" country? Grenada, Panama, Iraq and now Somalia, all are non-European nations, so-called "Third World" countries who "could not survive without U.S. help." Of course, the fact that the U.S. has more prisoners per capita than any other country on this earth, or that it is crumbling under the weight of its own violence, poverty and economic crisis is of no significance. The U.S. will arrogantly presume to tell the African clanspeople of Somalia that "we know better" and "we will fix it for you." The people of Somalia are not helpless. They were better off before the U.S. and the other colonial imperialists came and will be better off when they have left for good. The White House doesn"t give a **** about starving people, whether in Somalia or on the streets of Washington, D.C. They will starve people for political reasons just as readily as they will feed them for political reasons. And while they pat themselves on their humanitarian backs, these U.S. rulers are continuing to uphold brutal sanctions against the people of Iraq -withholding food, medicine and chemicals used to purify the water, causing thousands to needlessly die. We know that humanitarianism has never flowed from the barrels of U.S. weapons. In spite of their words, we have seen the reality the U.S. military brings; suffering, death, destruction and oppression.
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Somali Woman accuses Ethiopian soldiers of rape and torture March 15th, 2007
Aweys Osman Yusuf
A Somali woman has revealed at a press conference in Mogadishu that she was tortured and raped by Ethiopian soldiers.
Suuban Maalin Ali Hassan, 37 year old mother of eight children talked to journalists with presence of her husband inside her house over the ordeal she faced last Saturday as she was on her way near Elirfid, north east of Mogadishu.
“Last Saturday, as I was driving my donkey-cart loaded with grass near Elirfid settlement, two Ethiopians armed with AK 47 came straight at me suddenly after they come out of a detour. They stopped me under gunpoint and forcibly held me to the ground and then everything went against my willing” said Suuban, while weeping.
Suuban said the Ethiopian soldiers did everything to her, including rape and beatings. “After they were done with me, they told me to walk off and not to look back, threatening they will kill me if I do glance back to take a good look at them,” Suuban said.
Ahmed Ali Hassan, Husband of Suuban also spoke to the newsmen said,
“My wife was raped and tortured by Ethiopian soldiers so that I am calling on everyone who can help to rush to our help”
The husband also said that he took his wife to Keysaney hospital, one of the major hospitals in Mogadishu for check up.
“Doctors at Keysaney advised us not to have an intercourse for six months to find out whether my wife was infected with HIV. Also the doctor counseled my wife not to breastfeed our youngest baby during the six-month period, said Ahmed.
The news came as Ethiopian premier, Meles Zenawi, told the press that the remaining Ethiopian troops would be withdrawn from Somalia immediately.
“We are looking forward to withdraw our left two third troops,” he said.
Regarding the continuous attack on AU’s Ugandan peacekeepers since their arrival and other attacks in the capital Mogadishu, Meles said the situation on the ground is not as exaggerated as the media presented it.
“Not a single Ugandan soldier was harmed. I don’t see anything that can hinder the peace and reconciliation process in the country,” he said.
Meanwhile an Ethiopian military convoy supported by tanks and battlewagons was attacked Tuesday as it was leaving the capital for southern Somalia.
Witnesses said the Ethiopians were traveling out of the capital when unknown gunmen attacked them around KM4 junction, south of Mogadishu.
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Somalia: Ethiopian soldiers accused of rapeAweys Osman Yusuf
Mogadishu 15, April.07 ( Sh.M.Network)
Speaking with journalists, an 18 year old Somali girl said she was raped by Ethiopian soldiers in Mogadishu’s Hamar Bille neighborhood.
Fardowsa Abdi Hashi told local stringers that she was tortured and raped by more than 10 Ethiopian soldiers.
“To my knowledge 12 Ethiopians raped me. I went unconscious,” she said.
She is the second woman raped by Ethiopian soldiers based in Mogadishu so far. Suban Moalim Ali was raped by Ethiopian soldiers based around El-Arfid on the suburb of Mogadishu on early March.
Spokesman for Mogadishu powerful Hawiye clan, Derie Ali, condemned the incident calling it a violation against humanity.
He called on the international community to do something about Ethiopian human rights violations against the Somali people.
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