“O you who believe! Take not My enemies and your enemies (i.e. disbelievers and polytheists) as friends, showing affection towards them, while they have disbelieved in what has come to you of the truth (i.e. Islamic Monotheism, this Qur’aan, and Muhammad), and have driven out the Messenger (Muhammad) and yourselves (from your homeland) because you believe in Allaah your Lord! If you have come forth to strive in My Cause and to seek My Good Pleasure, (then take not these disbelievers and polytheists, as your friends). You show friendship to them in secret, while I am All Aware of what you conceal and what you reveal. And whosoever of you (Muslims) does that, then indeed he has gone (far) astray from the Straight Path”
But if a Muslim treats them with kindness and gentleness in the hope that they will become Muslim and will believe, there is nothing wrong with that, because it comes under the heading of opening their hearts to Islam. But if he despairs of them becoming Muslim, then he should treat them accordingly. This is something that is discussed in detail by the scholars, especially in the book Ahkaam Ahl al-Dhimmah by Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him).
“Indeed there has been an excellent example for you in Ibraaheem (Abraham) and those with him, when they said to their people: ‘Verily, we are free from you and whatever you worship besides Allaah, we have rejected you, and there has started between us and you, hostility and hatred for ever until you believe in Allaah Alone’”
^yes and no; non-Muslims are divided into different categories and depending on which category they belong to we are to treat them accordingly. But generally speaking whoever rejects Allah, the Last day, His Message and the last Prophet is an enemy of Islam. But how we treat them depends on which category they belong to:
1 - non-Muslims who never heard of Islam or got corrupted Islamic message and died in that state - they will be tested on the Last day and they are not enemies despite being unbelievers.
2 - non-Muslims who heard clear message of Islam and rejected it and hostile toward Islam and Muslims - these are the enemies which we can fight against
3 - non-Muslims who heard the message of Islam and rejected it; however, they are in treaty with Muslims or under protection or not hostile toward Islam and Muslims. non-Muslims in this category are treated and given rights according to shariah and as shaykh said depending on their attitude we treat them accordingly despite them being enemies of Islam (generally speaking).
عن تميم بن أوس الداري أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم: قال الدين النصيحة ثلاثا قلنا لمن يا رسول الله قال لله ولكتابه ولرسوله ولأئمة المسلمين وعامتهم - رواه مسلم
But generally speaking whoever rejects Allah, the Last day, His Message and the last Prophet is an enemy of Islam.
How do we as humans move to coexist if we keep placing conditions that label others as enemies because one might not believe as another does? I ask this of all religions, of all beliefs, not just of Islam. Even if one is to place harm upon us for our beliefs it is up to us to be bigger than that individual. We should not bring harm to them but show them a different path of thinking than what they know, not reenforce their twisted ideology.
“Indeed there has been an excellent example for you in Ibraaheem (Abraham) and those with him, when they said to their people: ‘Verily, we are free from you and whatever you worship besides Allaah, we have rejected you, and there has started between us and you, hostility and hatred for ever until you believe in Allaah Alone’”
Pls make a habit of quoting full verse as well putting chapter and verse as such :
60:4 There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Ibrahim and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred forever, unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone": but not when Ibrahim said to his father: "I will pray for forgiveness for thee, though I have no power (to get) aught on thy behalf from Allah." (They prayed): "Our Lord! In Thee do we trust, and to Thee do we turn in repentance: to Thee is (our) final Goal.
not only to make it easy for others to look things up and/or ask scholars, but also so we have full context of the verse.. 60:4 is one verse and ends with Goal not alone... or at least put dashes as such --- to signify that it hasn't ended!
peace!
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
60:8 Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and
kindly with those who fought not against you on
account of religion nor drove you out of your
homes.
Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity
60:9 It is only as regards those who fought against
you on account of religion, and have driven you out
of your homes, and helped to drive you out, that
Allah forbids you to befriend them.
And whosoever will befriend them, then such are
the wrongdoers.
How do we as humans move to coexist if we keep placing conditions that label others as enemies because one might not believe as another does? I ask this of all religions, of all beliefs, not just of Islam. Even if one is to place harm upon us for our beliefs it is up to us to be bigger than that individual. We should not bring harm to them but show them a different path of thinking than what they know, not reenforce their twisted ideology.
It's a primitive, black and white way of thinking that does more harm than good. We really should have grown out of it as a species by now.
Pls make a habit of quoting full verse as well putting chapter and verse as such :
60:4 There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Ibrahim and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred forever, unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone": but not when Ibrahim said to his father: "I will pray for forgiveness for thee, though I have no power (to get) aught on thy behalf from Allah." (They prayed): "Our Lord! In Thee do we trust, and to Thee do we turn in repentance: to Thee is (our) final Goal.
not only to make it easy for others to look things up and/or ask scholars, but also so we have full context of the verse.. 60:4 is one verse and ends with Goal not alone... or at least put dashes as such --- to signify that it hasn't ended!
peace!
I just cut and pasted it from IslamQ&A; I didn't edit it or change anything.
I just cut and pasted it from IslamQ&A; I didn't edit it or change anything.
I noticed the website addresses all your points..leaves me with two questions
1- Why do you not investigate what you read from the Quran itself?
2- If satisfied with it in part without further investigation on your own, what could you possibly hope to gain from the board members here, when the scholar in the fatwa gave quite an expansive reply?
all the best
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
just the wording alone,means that no one will ever truly "get along",What i mean is "Enemies",If i Disagree with what My Prime Minster say's ,It doesnt mean that him and i are now enemies, And i just want to ask something,i signed up to this forum,to see what Muslim's are saying about Terrorist,and Bombers,i havent seen a debate about this on the forum,would be good if there was one.Because i have talked to a few muslims and they say,"Oh,No thats not in the Book(Bible..Etc),But why do Most of the "Terrorist" Kill themselfs for Allah?i mean, they must of read it Somewhere?My guess is the Quran,Could some one point me to the right information.
just the wording alone,means that no one will ever truly "get along",What i mean is "Enemies",If i Disagree with what My Prime Minster say's ,It doesnt mean that him and i are now enemies, And i just want to ask something,i signed up to this forum,to see what Muslim's are saying about Terrorist,and Bombers,i havent seen a debate about this on the forum,would be good if there was one.Because i have talked to a few muslims and they say,"Oh,No thats not in the Book(Bible..Etc),But why do Most of the "Terrorist" Kill themselfs for Allah?i mean, they must of read it Somewhere?My guess is the Quran,Could some one point me to the right information.
The terrorists who claim to be killing people for Allah are not really following islam even though they think otherwise.
In one of my most favourites ayats of the Qur'an it explains well how islam sees killings of the innocent people:
"5:32 Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. /.../"
Also the terrorists take the verses from the Qur'an that called upon people at the time of the prophet () to fight back against those who were fighting against islam and muslims.
The word "fight" used in the Qur'an when telling people to fight the infidels carries a meaning of "fighting back" in defense and not just "kill" or "slaughter".
The terrorists use verses like this: "4:84 So fight, [O Muْammad], in the cause of Allah ; you are not held responsible except for yourself. And encourage the believers [to join you] that perhaps Allah will restrain the [military] might of those who disbelieve. /.../"
And they think that this gives them the right to kill every non-muslim but they don't think about that fighting in the cause of Allah meant fighting back at those who were the aggressors against islam.
They leave aside verses like: "4:90 /.../ So if they remove themselves from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not made for you a cause [for fighting] against them."
Also the prophet Muhammad () forbade killing the old men, women and children in the ranks of the enemies and he even forbade the killing of the enemies if they were not holding a sword against you.
You are right about that we need more debates about terrorism and we all must admit that we muslims need to do a lot within the whole muslim community to get rid of that illness. But you non-muslims and the whole West can help us by making difference between terrorism and the real teachings of islam.
it seems that you you Muslims,should read your qur'an a bit better then,because they two things(1) What you just said is your own words,and everybody takes a different story from the Qur'an,(2) the Qur'an really does have teachings of killing people because we dont have the same god, Im Atheist,i wish we could all Grow up and stop acting like kids,and realise that there is no afterlife,but your only life is Now,so make the most of it,the past Thousands of years Would be different if Religion had not stuck its head in the way.But thats my view,But i do Respect everyone on this forum,its good to see Real debate and talking,rather than just All out fighting over gods,Thank you for your comments Yusuf Saeed ,But as long as there are religions,there will be killings in the name of religions,Visit Theync.com If you'd like to see how Muslims killings are done.Id like your Comments on a few videos there.Thank you.
You say it's religion that causes the killings.
What about the bloodiest conflict of the past century, the World War II?
Where was the conflict between religion there?
Or all the other previous wars between Europeans themselves for example. It was often that religion didn't play a big part in them rather it was the greed of the rulers to get more wealth and land.
Or let's take some examples from nowadays. Killings and violence not related to religion is everywhere. Why do you always take an example of those terrorists' killings who aren't really muslims and aren't really following islam but rather their own agendas? And why do you leave beside rapes and killings for example in the US where in every few minutes a woman is sexually assaulted. And where is religion included in those awful acts?
If you would really understand the Qur'an then you would change your views drastically.
I can't watch any videos on the site you gave.
It's full of sick photos and stuff. No wonder you have distorted view on religions when you get your information from videos that are on sites which can only afford having servers by advertising porn.
I can't watch any videos on the site you gave.
It's full of sick photos and stuff. No wonder you have distorted view on religions when you get your information from videos that are on sites which can only afford having servers by advertising porn.
sorry but you cant tell me about history when your qur'an say's history is only 5000 years old,i can not talk to you about history,when you get your "Teachings" from a book with Lies and things that just are not real.
sorry but you cant tell me about history when your qur'an say's history is only 5000 years old,i can not talk to you about history,when you get your "Teachings" from a book with Lies and things that just are not real.
You are very under-educated.. I suspect that is why there is no great yield of replies to you. I can barely get through your undecipherable syntax to understand what sort of gibberish you desire an explanation to? Why don't you enroll in some remedial course to foster your basic self-esteem and nurture your general knowledge by visiting your local library and buying some books before making assertions about Islam on an Islamic forum of all places.. did you take a wrong detour on the web and landed here?
you really need to assess your reasons for being here, your outward aspect and approach is that of a buffoon!
all the best
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
Yeah, erm you forgot to paste the bits of Islam QA that states how we should treat non muslims justly, kindly and with equity. How did you miss it??? it's mentioned like 3 times dude.
If your gonna paste articles paste the whole thing otherwise it can easily be taken out of context and mis interpretated, please read below, this is how Islam tells us to treat non muslims,
"But this does not mean that a Muslim cannot interact with them in a nice manner that will encourage them to enter Islam, so long as that is within the guidelines of sharee’ah, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning)":
“Allaah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion nor drove you out of your homes. Verily, Allaah loves those who deal with equity”
"But we reiterate that there is nothing to stop the Muslim from treating them kindly within the limits set by sharee’ah, especially if they are among those who treat us well. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Is there any reward for good other than good?”
HOW ON EARTH DID YOU MISS ALL OF THE ABOVE??? LOL HMMM INTERESTING
tell me does the above sound like how you would treat an enemy??
would you interact with your enemy in a nice manner??
would you treat your enemy justly and kindly?
Would you treat your enemy with equity??
This is how we are told to treat Non Muslims, I think next time you should maybe read the whole article. Also incase you missed it above I'll post it for you again here it is
"But we reiterate that there is nothing to stop the Muslim from treating them kindly within the limits set by sharee’ah, especially if they are among those who treat us well. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Allaah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion nor drove you out of your homes. Verily, Allaah loves those who deal with equity”
The above two paragrahps summarise how we treat non Muslims m8, I made them in extra big font cos you seemed to have missed them. If you read them you'd know we don't treat all non muslim's as enemys
sorry but you cant tell me about history when your qur'an say's history is only 5000 years old,i can not talk to you about history,when you get your "Teachings" from a book with Lies and things that just are not real.
hmm our Qur'an described 1400 years ago, gametes and the process of fertilization, and fetal development and growth in humans on a cellular level.
our Qur'an referenced the heavens and earth as originally being an integrated mass before God split them "Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them" [21:30], which has been interpreted by some as being "nothing short of a condensed version of the Big bang theory".
our qur'an talkes about cosmic orbital motion: "It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit" [36:40] at a period of time when the common belief was that earth was stationary.
Seems like you're talking out your arse m8 cos all of the above things are teachings of the Qur'an and they're pretty real. The Qur'an mentioned all those things 1400 years ago before you were even created and they're only just discovering them recently.
Seems our Qur'an could teach you a thing or two, here's an interesting read for you, that is if you are able to focus your attention on an intellectual passage of text for more than 2 seconds. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qur%27an_and_science
seems our Qur'an is more smarter than you
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Oh yeah , i guess He just wants to show his hatred (blaze101) or his ability to miscomprehend things anyway ,
"Say : O ye that reject Faith! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine. (The Noble Quran, 109:1-6)".
Doesn't this encompass the basic feeling that we are not to treat them as enemies ?
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) to fight back against those who were fighting against islam and muslims.
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