Piracy!

[Fishman]

Despite being immortalised as heroes and funny characters in books, films and ridiculous internet memes, pirates are in reality a rather nasty bunch of people, the terrorists of the sea, perhaps. Piracy is not just something from the days of scurvy, Davy Jones' Locker and Blackbeard, it is in fact happening right now in certain areas, and has become quite recently a real problem.

Ever since Somalia collapsed, some people in the country have been turning to predatory lifestyles, stealing and looting to make ends meet. This normally only affects Somalis themselves, so the only time we hear about it is through international aid organisations. But some do this on the sea, attacking the shipping routes though the Gulf of Aden into the Indian ocean. Which makes them mean business on a real scale.

This piracy has increased lately, for some reason, possibly because of the collapse of the Islamic Courts Union in southern Somalia. As the recent attacks have shown, no ships are safe, from cruise liners to oil tankers. Some kind of solution is needed, so that ships can travel near the horn of Africa safely again.

The question is, what should be done to curb piracy?

[Keltoi]

The U.S. had a war against the Barbary pirates, which was the origin of the Marine Corps. So there is precedent for combating piracy in the U.S. Personally I think there should be a combination of working with the Somali government to curb piracy and military escorts for further tanker travel in the area.

[Afraa]

I don't think anything could be done about these pirates unless people are willing to lose their lives trying to kill these men.

There isn't a stable government in Somali and there is nobody to reason with because the government isn't very effective right now.

Somali has been governless for almost 2 decades now and everyone around them has been taking advantages of that oppurtunity. There is a reason behind why these men are doing what they are doing and people shouldn't be invading their territory with acknowledgement.

[Fishman]

The U.S. had a war against the Barbary pirates, which was the origin of the Marine Corps. So there is precedent for combating piracy in the U.S. Personally I think there should be a combination of working with the Somali government to curb piracy and military escorts for further tanker travel in the area.

Problem is, the Somali government doesn't really exist, so all they could realistically do is give permission for the US to act.

[islamirama]

Somalia is occupied by US sponsored Ethiopia whose soldiers are gang raping somali women among other war crimes. So called Somali "government" doesn't exist. If you want real solutions then send US dogs back to Ethiopia and let the Islamic courts return and bring peace to the land like they did before, recognize them as official and abolish the so called "government" and give aide to somlia. But how can axis UScrusaders let such a thing ever happen. So let's all sit back and daydream how we can stop the bad old pirates.

[Ar-RaYYan]

Somalia is occupied by US sponsored Ethiopia whose soldiers are gang raping somali women among other war crimes. So called Somali "government" doesn't exist. If you want real solutions then send US dogs back to Ethiopia and let the Islamic courts return and bring peace to the land like they did before, recognize them as official and abolish the so called "government" and give aide to somlia.

Totally agree with you there
when the islamic courts was in power, there was peace and stability and they actually know how to control and rule a country compare to this present 'government' :blind:
I really dont know why the somali people would want this so called government instead of Islamic court- except there are lot of hypocrisy going around and of course- USA's usual interference with other nation's affairs

[Roxy8491]

Islamirama, the ICU is an extremist insurgent group with links to Al Qaeda. While I don't think it was right for the US to get involved in this particular conflict, I think you're being a bit unfair in calling us Crusaders.

[Keltoi]

Well, the problem is that the only real solution, besides paying their ransom, is just to blow up the ships they hijack and take the pirates out with it.

[islamirama]

Islamirama, the ICU is an extremist insurgent group with links to Al Qaeda. While I don't think it was right for the US to get involved in this particular conflict, I think you're being a bit unfair in calling us Crusaders.

It's very convenient for US to find "al Qaeda" members in any country they want to bomb. It's also very convenient for Osama to pull out a video around election times (esp. since he's been dead for over 7yrs). I think you are being naive to think US is not a crusader. That bushwacker claims to speak to God and have been "commanded" to go to middle east and "save" them. Many senators have made speeches of converting everyone in Iraq to Christianity to end this war (articles available on this forum). Then there's soldiers with Big Crosses drawn on walls in Iraq with statements like "My God is stronger/greater than yours", not to mention the "convert or die" games Soldiers have been shipped to in Iraq. Even that blond bimbo Palin mouthed off how her God told her to go clean up middle east.

Crusaders of the westerners never ended, it only got more complex and despicable. And why are you saying "calling us crusaders", are you a christian? There is no nationalism or patriotism in Islam, it doesn't matter if your american, paki, indian, european, african, saudi or what not. you're religion is Islam, your nation is the Ummah and you stand for what is right and against what is wrong.

[Roxy8491]

It's very convenient for US to find "al Qaeda" members in any country they want to bomb. It's also very convenient for Osama to pull out a video around election times (esp. since he's been dead for over 7yrs). I think you are being naive to think US is not a crusader. That bushwacker claims to speak to God and have been "commanded" to go to middle east and "save" them. Many senators have made speeches of converting everyone in Iraq to Christianity to end this war (articles available on this forum). Then there's soldiers with Big Crosses drawn on walls in Iraq with statements like "My God is stronger/greater than yours", not to mention the "convert or die" games Soldiers have been shipped to in Iraq. Even that blond bimbo Palin mouthed off how her God told her to go clean up middle east.

Crusaders of the westerners never ended, it only got more complex and despicable. And why are you saying "calling us crusaders", are you a christian? There is no nationalism or patriotism in Islam, it doesn't matter if your american, paki, indian, european, african, saudi or what not. you're religion is Islam, your nation is the Ummah and you stand for what is right and against what is wrong.

It's not just American press that has reported that the ICU has Al Qaeda links and uses suicide bombings. And for your info the rest of the West hates America too (or at least they did before Obama was elected) so I don't see why they would lie just to give America another excuse to get involved in foreign politics. You have no proof that Osama bin Laden is dead. He very well could be, but to me it just sounds like you are a conspiracy theorist. You know what I greatly dislike Bush but I feel that is neither here nor there. When's the last time you checked Bush's approval ratings? Most of the country dislikes Bush so whatever Bush does shouldn't reflect on America as a whole. And of course there are a few soldiers who are going to be like that. But they are ignorant of Islam - I don't agree with them but you have to understand they haven't read the Qur'an, they think all Muslims are terrorists out to kill them, their families, destroy their country, or convert them forcefully to their religion. Can you say with certainty that you would not have done the same if God had willed to have you born in a Christian family, in America? So yes if any soldiers are writing things like that on walls, they are in the wrong, but it doesn't mean the majority are like that. Nor should we forget that there are a lot of Muslims who would do a lot more to Christians and Jews than insult their religion. I think Palin's an idiot, and so do a lot of this country - last time I checked, her ticket LOST.

I said "us" because I consider myself an American. We are far from perfect but I do believe we are one of the better countries. Yes I am a Muslim and am part of the Ummah first and foremost, but I disown the terrorist movement, of which the ICU is obviously a part of. I think you have a very distorted view of America (I know, I know, that's exactly what you think about me, but I bet you've never even been here). I can see what you're saying - America has done and is doing a lot of despicable things - but I think you should recognize that we are not the most horrible nation on Earth (I'm guessing you think we're the Great Satan or something like that) and there are a lot of Muslims who are totally misusing and abusing their faith by using suicide bombings and targeting women and children. Assalamu Alaikum. I don't want to have an argument brother but I think you should try to see things a little more fairly.

[islamirama]

It's not just American press that has reported that the ICU has Al Qaeda links and uses suicide bombings. And for your info the rest of the West hates America too (or at least they did before Obama was elected) so I don't see why they would lie just to give America another excuse to get involved in foreign politics. You have no proof that Osama bin Laden is dead. He very well could be, but to me it just sounds like you are a conspiracy theorist. You know what I greatly dislike Bush but I feel that is neither here nor there. When's the last time you checked Bush's approval ratings? Most of the country dislikes Bush so whatever Bush does shouldn't reflect on America as a whole. And of course there are a few soldiers who are going to be like that. But they are ignorant of Islam - I don't agree with them but you have to understand they haven't read the Qur'an, they think all Muslims are terrorists out to kill them, their families, destroy their country, or convert them forcefully to their religion. Can you say with certainty that you would not have done the same if God had willed to have you born in a Christian family, in America? So yes if any soldiers are writing things like that on walls, they are in the wrong, but it doesn't mean the majority are like that. Nor should we forget that there are a lot of Muslims who would do a lot more to Christians and Jews than insult their religion. I think Palin's an idiot, and so do a lot of this country - last time I checked, her ticket LOST.

I said "us" because I consider myself an American. We are far from perfect but I do believe we are one of the better countries. Yes I am a Muslim and am part of the Ummah first and foremost, but I disown the terrorist movement, of which the ICU is obviously a part of. I think you have a very distorted view of America (I know, I know, that's exactly what you think about me, but I bet you've never even been here). I can see what you're saying - America has done and is doing a lot of despicable things - but I think you should recognize that we are not the most horrible nation on Earth (I'm guessing you think we're the Great Satan or something like that) and there are a lot of Muslims who are totally misusing and abusing their faith by using suicide bombings and targeting women and children. Assalamu Alaikum. I don't want to have an argument brother but I think you should try to see things a little more fairly.

The truth of matter is that most americans are blind, stupid and ignorant. They follow anyone that pulls out the bogey man (osama) and start beating the war drum. Osama's death has been confirm by Paki military Generals, it's posted on this forum, feel free to look it up or on any search engine. Funny how americans call you a conspiracist and start labeling you along those lines if you don't bow down and believe the same trash they are fed by their media and gov't.

As for the soldliers, where have you been sista? Take a look at some of the posts i've posted on iraq and afghan, go and see how these "few" soldiers are raping iraqi women left and right over there. Majority ARE like that, war mongering rapist murderers! Search some of my posts on iraq in here and you'll see, Here is a start

And please don't give me that lame excuse "you would do the same if you were in a christian family", there are many americans who aren't as blind as the rest, who see what is gonig on, who are against war/occupation, who are trying to impreach bushwacker as war criminal and what not. I would have been among those who converted to Islam and found in afghan fighting these rapist crusaders rather then buying guns to harass non-white and Muslims out of ignorant, arrogrance, and blind christian hill billy narrow mindedness.

[islamirama]

The Impacts of Ethiopia’s Invasion of Somalia

http://www.wardheernews.com/articles...lia_Hamza.html

US sponsors Ethiopian invasion of Somalia
http://cyberjournal.org/show_archive...&lists=newslog

US Sponsored Bombing of Somalia: The Hidden War for Oil
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...articleId=5636

[Roxy8491]

The truth of matter is that most americans are blind, stupid and ignorant. They follow anyone that pulls out the bogey man (osama) and start beating the war drum. Osama's death has been confirm by Paki military Generals, it's posted on this forum, feel free to look it up or on any search engine. Funny how americans call you a conspiracist and start labeling you along those lines if you don't bow down and believe the same trash they are fed by their media and gov't.

As for the soldliers, where have you been sista? Take a look at some of the posts i've posted on iraq and afghan, go and see how these "few" soldiers are raping iraqi women left and right over there. Majority ARE like that, war mongering rapist murderers! Search some of my posts on iraq in here and you'll see, Here is a start

And please don't give me that lame excuse "you would do the same if you were in a christian family", there are many americans who aren't as blind as the rest, who see what is gonig on, who are against war/occupation, who are trying to impreach bushwacker as war criminal and what not. I would have been among those who converted to Islam and found in afghan fighting these rapist crusaders rather then buying guns to harass non-white and Muslims out of ignorant, arrogrance, and blind christian hill billy narrow mindedness.

Sorry, but Al Qaeda attacked us. Their mission is to kill any American they find and destroy our country. We have a right (even under Islam!) to fight back. I don't know if you're a 9/11 Truther, but it seems you might be heading that way. If that's the argument you're going to use, it just doesn't make reasonable sense. Look, I'm just saying that there are a certain group of people who need to believe that the "accepted" view is wrong. For example, I believe that the people who are 9/11 Truthers, in some alternate dimension where it was common knowledge that the US government was behind the attacks, would come up with a conspiracy theory where it was actually suicidal Muslims (or Arabs, I'm not sure they should be called Muslims). Now I don't know if you are that kind of person, I'm just saying you are borrowing their arguments. And as I said earlier, these reports about the ICU are not just from the US media. It's also from other Western media outlets. And yes you could say that they are also lying, but I'm saying the rest of the West also hates America for the same reasons you do, so why would they come up with a lie that benefits America?

You say most Americans are blind, stupid, and ignorant. That comes back to my other question, whether or not you've ever even been to America. Now I feel I should ask, how many Americans do you actually know? The link you provide to back up your claims includes - eyewitness testimony. But you don't accept eyewitness testimony if it makes America look good or it's enemies look wrong? What is this, a war of testimonies? If so, I'm going to accept the vast majority of them instead of taking a couple deviant ones as Gospel. You know what, if any American soldier raped any woman, may God send him to Hell! But I know some American soldiers and they are good people who are willing to sacrifice their own lives to protect their home and families. Or do you think they risk being blown to smithereens to go over and rape Iraqi women? You must believe we are monsters. I testify to you (this would be a grave sin if I were to lie) that Americans in general are not the kind of people that are looking to go over to foreign countries and rape women.

You have no idea what you would do if you had been raised Christian. There are a lot of Muslim converts each year. Do you truly believe any of them would have converted if they hadn't read the Qur'an? Circumstances could easily have prevented them from dong so. Only God knows what you would do but I say you would not have converted if you hadn't read the Qur'an. In that case you would have held the view that Islam was the religion of the Devil out to kill your family and destroy your country. Writing rude things on the wall in that case is proof of rudeness, not monstrosity. And are you really going to act like the terrorists are any better than so called rapist soldiers? What, do you think these people are noble martyrs? Do you really believe they kill more Americans than Muslims, or that it's ok to target innocent women and children? If you do I profoundly disagree with you and we might as well leave it at that. Peace brother.

[islamirama]

Sorry, but Al Qaeda attacked us. Their mission is to kill any American they find and destroy our country. We have a right (even under Islam!) to fight back. I don't know if you're a 9/11 Truther, but it seems you might be heading that way. If that's the argument you're going to use, it just doesn't make reasonable sense. Look, I'm just saying that there are a certain group of people who need to believe that the "accepted" view is wrong.

seems like you are among the same blind sheep's who think Muslims were behind 9-11. Even other govt's like Japanese parliament are saying we should do an independent investigation and not take american gov't word for it. Please don't try to talk on a topic whose knowledge you got only from your media and gov't. No point discussing any further with someone living in the darkness of ignorance. Osama wasn't behind 911, Invasion for afghan was for oil, invasion of iraq over lies of WMD was also for oil. Please go search the truth before discussing this topic any further, sadly you are as much in the dark today as you were in 2001.
Come back when you see things bit clearly. And we are off topic here now.

I don't know what clowns you know but majority of US soldier toys are rapists and murders who do this in iraq:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTDfrdCxShc

http://www.ifilm.com/video/2799079

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqMjn_azhME

Mass-rape of women by American soldiers

Christian American Facists Rape and Burn a Muslim Girl- Iraq

Only good US soldier is a dead one. may Allah destroy all those nations that invade and occupy Muslim lands, and may all those murdering rapists go back in body bags. Ameen!

[north_malaysian]

This year 2 Malaysian vessels along with the sailors (who are mostly Muslims) were held by the pirates asking for ransoms....

Many Malaysians are pissed off with this..... Muslims robbing another Muslims? Those pirates should be killed...

[Keltoi]

This year 2 Malaysian vessels along with the sailors (who are mostly Muslims) were held by the pirates asking for ransoms....

Many Malaysians are pissed off with this..... Muslims robbing another Muslims? Those pirates should be killed...

If they were kidnapping and killing non-Muslims your opinion would be different?

[north_malaysian]

If they were kidnapping and killing non-Muslims your opinion would be different?

My opinion: No difference....

I quoted: "Muslims robbing Muslims" because to show that if they can rob Muslims, they would have no problems robbing others too...

[Keltoi]

My opinion: No difference....

I quoted: "Muslims robbing Muslims" because to show that if they can rob Muslims, they would have no problems robbing others too...

I assumed as much, I was just making sure.

[Grace Seeker]

Well, the problem is that the only real solution, besides paying their ransom, is just to blow up the ships they hijack and take the pirates out with it.

They don't care if they lose the ships.

The pirates are NOT ransoming the ships, they are ransoming the crews.

[Keltoi]

They don't care if they lose the ships.

The pirates are NOT ransoming the ships, they are ransoming the crews.

I understand that, and that is what I meant by the "problem". If it was only a ship full of terrorists it would be no problem to take it out and solve the problem with only the loss of a ship. I should have clarified that better.