MashAllah a very nice video, jazakaAllahu Khair brother for sharing...May Allah (swt) give our brothers in somalia the very needed islamic state ruled by sharia
Eid Celebration In Somalia
Peace Mercy And Blessing Of Allah be upon all of us.
Shows the Prize Giving Of The Recitation of The Qur'an competition and the Eid Prayer in Magadisho Stadium.
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I am glad to see these muslims brothers smiling a little!!!
MashAllah a very nice video, jazakaAllahu Khair brother for sharing...May Allah (swt) give our brothers in somalia the very needed islamic state ruled by sharia
Somalia is a state in need of peace and an end to suffering. It is good to see happy Somalis.
The rebel khawarij distributing qurans and giving peanut money for prizes does not absolve them from the crimes they've commited and the lives they've taken and ruined in their bloody quest for power.
Spare us the propaganda videos and fake support messages and tell them to stop kidnapping and the shedding of civilian blood, before claiming to be aiming for the application of Shariah which they are themselves breaking as we speak. Would have been good to see them fighting in palestine, or is Israeli oppression a legitimate Shariah-based government?
Wallahu Al-MostaAAan
format_quote Originally Posted by Sampharo
Brother you have just make grave accusation against them
You call them khawarij???
What are the crimes they have committed???
As far as i follow the news, they are applying the Shareeah laws.
What laws of the shareeah are they breaking???
If i am not wrong, they have made a brigade to liberate Al Aqsa.
I do not know about them. I just posted the video to show Eid Celebration in Somalia, but now your question make me want to know more about the situation there. Could you please elaborate.
Jazakallah Khairan.
They have been denounced by consensus of all scholars of Islam, and all Somali refugees including ones that I meet in person are talking of their harshness and crimes. The shariah they are breaking is fighting the ruler, it is consensus and with rock-solid evidence that it is the gravest of crimes punishable by death, and that rebellion was proven to be never commited even against the most corrupt and deviant of rulers. Deaths of civilians muslim and non-muslims are impermissible in any law, and they have commited plenty of that. They have commited the khawarej act of rebelling against and raising arms against the ruler. They called the government as apostates for not applying Shariah, which is false and unislamic, and they attacked and killed not only government police and soldiers who were defending against them, but also civilians on their way who did not provide immediate support.
They are the remnants of the earlier warlord groups having come together as one group, and everyone knows the horrors they caused. Additionally, when the government called for peace and even decided to apply Shariah themselves, their twisted brains came up with the excuse that since the government made "a vote" then they essentially are still embracing western democracy and therefore fighting must continue, which is complete hogwash.
Let us know when their so-called brigade reaches Palestine and blows up one Israeli checkpoint, considering Palestine is occupied since 1948 and the warlords are active for the last 25 years, it's not clear to me why we haven't seen anything yet.
If you do not know about them then don't propagate them, and I think that "Al-Shabab Media Presents" in the beginning of the video could have been a clue. Also the video itself shows no Eid or stadium for God's sake, it's just a province islamic center where they're doing some good old PR.
But yet do you not think that it is important to know their side of their story??
These people are they the same as the Islamic Court before???
They are already telling their side of the story. They announced their rebellion, and they announced the government to be apostate because they don't apply the shariah, then when the government did they were the ones who announced that fighting must continue because they "voted" for Shariah instead of forcing it (!!!), then they were happily reporting the deaths of what they called "kafirs and murtaddeen" referring to soldiers, police officers, and civilians who are men, women and even children who simply did not provide immediate support and rebel with them, or just happened to be shot in the middle of fighting and then they came up with fabricated statements that collateral casualties are permissible in Islam.
What they themselves did and proudly announced by themselves are stated crimes in Islam:
Hadith narrated by Ibn Yaman and authenticated in both Bukhary and Muslim: "I heard the prophet -pbuh- say "There will come rulers after me who will not guide by my guidance and will not apply my Sunnah and Shariah, yet men will rise against them with hearts of devils in bodies of human" I asked "What should I do o'prophet if I witness such a thing?" the prophet replied "Maintain obedience, if the ruler beats your back and takes your wealth maintain obedience to the ruler!"
In another hadith narrated by muslim: "Those who take their hand out of the sultan's rulership and die, die the death of Jahiliya (non-Islam)"
In a third: "The best of your rulers you will like them and they will like you, you will pray for them and they you, and the worst of your rulers you will dispise them and they you, and you will pray for calamities upon them and they you" companions asked "O'prophet shouldn't we revolt against them" and the prophet replied "NO! As long as they hold your prayer. No as long as they hold your prayer"
The prophet said: "I was ordered (by Allah) to fight until people declared God is one, and held the prayers and paid the zakat, whomever does their blood and property is sealed and haram"
Sahih Al-Bukhary clearly shows that the statement and practice of the prophet and companions and Guided Kholafaa Rashidoon after him were that whomever does those is muslim and cannot be pronounced apostate even if he ignores other rulings or obligations: جُعِلَتْ غَايَة الْمُقَاتَلَة وُجُود مَا ذُكِرَ , فَمُقْتَضَاهُ أَنَّ مَنْ شَهِدَ وَأَقَامَ وَآتَى عُصِمَ دَمه وَلَوْ جَحَدَ بَاقِيَ الْأَحْكَام
And of course killing innocent civilians is the biggest of crimes, which goes against rules of even Jihad against self-declared hostile non-muslims.
This has been addressed in other posts on the forum previously and also is a settled consensus matter amongst proper scholars of all schools of methodology.
The beliefs of Ashabab are part of the Khawaarij deviant sect, they have faith and beliefs that are not on the Sunnah, such as that major sins wipe out all good deeds and take a person out of Islam, and that qital (fighting) is permissible without a ruler leading them.
For further reading, please check: http://islam4me.wordpress.com/2008/0...ist-khawaarij/
Last edited by Sampharo; 11-22-2009 at 08:01 AM.
[QUOTE=Sampharo;1250436]They are already telling their side of the story. They announced their rebellion, and they announced the government to be apostate because they don't apply the shariah, then when the government did they were the ones who announced that fighting must continue because they "voted" for Shariah instead of forcing it (!!!), then they were happily reporting the deaths of what they called "kafirs and murtaddeen" referring to soldiers, police officers, and civilians who are men, women and even children who simply did not provide immediate support and rebel with them, or just happened to be shot in the middle of fighting and then they came up with fabricated statements that collateral casualties are permissible in Islam.
What they themselves did and proudly announced by themselves are stated crimes in Islam:
Hadith narrated by Ibn Yaman and authenticated in both Bukhary and Muslim: "I heard the prophet -pbuh- say "There will come rulers after me who will not guide by my guidance and will not apply my Sunnah and Shariah, yet men will rise against them with hearts of devils in bodies of human" I asked "What should I do o'prophet if I witness such a thing?" the prophet replied "Maintain obedience, if the ruler beats your back and takes your wealth maintain obedience to the ruler!"
In another hadith narrated by muslim: "Those who take their hand out of the sultan's rulership and die, die the death of Jahiliya (non-Islam)"
In a third: "The best of your rulers you will like them and they will like you, you will pray for them and they you, and the worst of your rulers you will dispise them and they you, and you will pray for calamities upon them and they you" companions asked "O'prophet shouldn't we revolt against them" and the prophet replied "NO! As long as they hold your prayer. No as long as they hold your prayer"
The prophet said: "I was ordered (by Allah) to fight until people declared God is one, and held the prayers and paid the zakat, whomever does their blood and property is sealed and haram"
Sahih Al-Bukhary clearly shows that the statement and practice of the prophet and companions and Guided Kholafaa Rashidoon after him were that whomever does those is muslim and cannot be pronounced apostate even if he ignores other rulings or obligations: جُعِلَتْ غَايَة الْمُقَاتَلَة وُجُود مَا ذُكِرَ , فَمُقْتَضَاهُ أَنَّ مَنْ شَهِدَ وَأَقَامَ وَآتَى عُصِمَ دَمه وَلَوْ جَحَدَ بَاقِيَ الْأَحْكَام
And of course killing innocent civilians is the biggest of crimes, which goes against rules of even Jihad against self-declared hostile non-muslims.
This has been addressed in other posts on the forum previously and also is a settled consensus matter amongst proper scholars of all schools of methodology.
The beliefs of Ashabab are part of the Khawaarij deviant sect, they have faith and beliefs that are not on the Sunnah, such as that major sins wipe out all good deeds and take a person out of Islam, and that qital (fighting) is permissible without a ruler leading them.
For further reading, please check: http://islam4me.wordpress.com/2008/0...ist-khawaarij/[/QUOTE
I've heard of these hadith before but do they apply if the leader brings foreign troops into the country?
Would this apply in reference to the ethiopians who were in somalia before or the situation in afghanistan today?
Im no supporter of alshabab or their actions. I'm just asking from a theological standpoint.
salam
There is no theological barrier in using non-muslims if there is a treaty with them. Naser Salahuddin used non-muslims in repelling the crusaders, and the jews in Madina had an alliance pact with the prophet to fight together if Madina was attacked either by enemies of the prophet Mohamed -pbuh- or the enemies of the jews. To suggest that using non-muslim troops is apparent apostasy, is a laughable degree of deviance that has no basis and is disproven by Sunnah.
Taliban warriors along with real mujahideen who were fighting legitimately back in the eighties against communist Soviet invasion (legitimate jihad declared by the leader before he was killed and is against an invading non-muslim army, that was clear correct jihad and most countries had many of its youth and even sheikhs go and fight) were fighting that war and taking not only weapons and training but also fought alongside American troops and operatives.
Today's fighting in Afghanistan is different and their rebellion in Pakistan is illegitimate and self-serving. No decent scholar is supporting them. Don't know exactly what happened but apparently after the ravages of war, the war lords came to power and therefore khawaarij polemycs spread, and they started fighting and passing takfir on each other. No support for the current corrupt Karzai, but that doesn't mean to raise weapons and start claiming and cutting Afghanistan into control pieces.
Last edited by Sampharo; 11-26-2009 at 08:40 PM.
but also civilians on their way who did not provide immediate support.
Stop making up stories will ya. The civilians are safest in the towns and cities they control. This much is even acknowledged by western reporters and academics. Whereas, in the few blocks controlled by the African Union( who are helping against the khawarij according to you) and the Warlords( islamic rulers to you, wali'yadibillah), people are looted and killed almost daily. Anyway, I didn't want to get into these issues, so my advise to you is to not make great judgements on conflicts you have little knowledge about.
Fear does tend to keep people in check. I don't support foreign troops in Somalia however I don't support the al shabaab.The situation in Somalia isn't some rightious jihad its Somalis killing other Somalis.The majority of Somalia's problems are Somali created. We can blame the A.U, the Ethiopians or even the Americans but I can guarantee should the A.U leave, Somalis will continue to kill each other like we've been doing for the past 20yrs. I find it very funny the way some Somalis conveniently choose to ignore the bloodshed and death Somalis have wreaked upon themselves for the past 20 years as if all of Somalia's problems started with the A.U and Ethiopia. Had alshabaab joined the peace process like they had been asked to I very much doubt the president would need the A.U to protect him against his own people neither would innocent civilians continue to be killed on a regular basis.format_quote Originally Posted by Omar_Mukhtar
salam
I wish peace to somalia
[QUOTE=Lisa0;1252163]ASWRB; no it doesn't apply. Brother Sampharo is trying to start a car with the wrong key. Subhanallah, how can there be no "theological barrier" in siding with the ethiopians, who occupy more than half of somali territory and inflict worser crimes on Somalis than the Israelies do to Palestinians? How can there be no " theological barrier" in siding with people who don't differentiate between men, women, children and the places of worship:format_quote Originally Posted by Sampharo
http://www.silentcry.co.uk/gallery-silent-cry.html
Also, SHEIKH Albani has clearly refuted this argument:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKAgN18uWMM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSsuF...eature=related
Last edited by Omar_Mukhtar; 11-29-2009 at 11:40 AM.
Nice to see you avoiding all the issues told and just jump on using ethiopians to combat the khawaarij, rather than ACTUALLY facing the fact that if the khawaarij did not commit their crimes in the first place no ethiopians would have been called.
Then you are applying a deviated ruling, which is create the illusion that Albani's opinion that the sin of Saudi Arabia in bringing in American soldiers to act ON THEIR OWN in fighting Iraqi army which is an OFFICIAL muslim army with its own muslim ruler (and therefore in status of valid qital) and has just transgressed, is the same as khawaarij breaking ranks (an act that takes a ruling of death sentence on each individual) and fighting the community, and ethiopian soldiers are brought in NOT ON THEIR OWN to help stem the corrupt destructive tide.
Sorry brother, but it is you who seems top have lost all your keys and just had a lockpick to try on your car. And Al-Albani is well-known to have spoken endlessly AGAINST khawaarij and shabab and their deviant acts. Why don't you link to the TOLD fatwas of Al-Albani rather than the untold one that actually is NOT relevent to your argument?
Interpretation by Sheikh Al-Albani that ruling by other than shariah is not kufr of belief or apostacy
Refutation of Ahlu Takfir by Al-Albani
Debate of Al-Albani with a Jihadi that Jihad without a ruler is not permissible
So you believe the Ethiopian army occupying Somalia is a better or lesser evil than what you call the " khawarij"? A simple yes or no. Secondly, if the "khawarij" are purely to blame for Ethiopians entering into Somalia territory, then why does Ethiopia currently occupy almost one third of SOmali territory and why are they crucifying innocent people? Are the "khawarij" also to blame for this?
Last edited by Omar_Mukhtar; 11-29-2009 at 09:51 PM.
Ethiopia occupies the Ogadenia because they made a deal with the Europeans during the days of colonization. Ethiopia also saw a weakened somalia and chose to invade it today. Somalia and Ethiopia are traditional enemies, what else is new?
Now that we have figured out that nobody cares about the best interests of somalia why do somali's not unite amongst themselves instead of killing each other making it easier for foreigners to take advantage of us again. what does fighting among ourselves accomplish?
salam
Yes or no answer? hahaha Do you think that the "jury" here will be instructed to ignore explanations and conditions? Brother, it is an obvious and old tired tactic of switching from "Islamic rulings" to "political lesser evil" when it SEEMS like it suits you, and then switching back to "Islamic rulings" in order to justify whatever death and killing and destruction because apparently "Ruler is not ruling by Shariah and therefore is a kafir and therefore we must fight by Islamic ruling!"format_quote Originally Posted by Omar_Mukhtar
So no, there will not be an answer to your trick question, because the destruction and killing is refused by either sides, but Islamically speaking there is no justification for shabab to be fighting whatsoever. They do not satisfy any of the conditions of Jihad and are commiting hideous crimes in the name of Islam, and therefore are as such, criminals. For you to try and say they are the lesser evil at the very least negates your earlier premise that they are mujahideen.
Do you have any evidence or indication that the government forces are "crucifying innocent people"? Strangely enough even Israeli crimes are well documented and shown one by one, but haven't seen crucifictions by government forces. Regardless, even if the ruler himself is killing innocent people, he wouldn't be worse than Hajjaj Al-Thaqafy and strangely no scholar including companions of the prophet raised their swords and claimed that because Hajjaj was corrupt and not applying Shariah, he is an apostate and they should fight by Islamic ruling! aaaarrrrrr". Instead even as Anas Ibn Malik was being taken to be killed simply for sticking to sunna, no sword was raised.Secondly, if the "khawarij" are purely to blame for Ethiopians entering into Somalia territory, then why does Ethiopia currently occupy almost one third of SOmali territory and why are they crucifying innocent people? Are the "khawarij" also to blame for this?
You cannot justify khawaarij because of what you claim to be governmental corruption, we've already been over this, it is not a reason nor basis Islamically to make khorooj, so your whole argument is useless EVEN if you establish government is corrupt, which by the way I don't really disagree with.
^^ I was only figuring out your methodology in thinking. I am also trying to figuring out when a "theological" barries arises in calling kafir regimes to occupy Muslim nations? The question was not supposed to be a trick one. Can you simply answer it;
how did you see the "government" calling in Ethiopians and other kufar foreigners?
Wrong
A necessary evil
good
Sin?
If they call in Ethiopia and Kenya to invade Somalia is there no theological barrier in doing this? Would this be a legitimate operation in removing "khawarij"?
Again, very simple.
As for your second question, then I clearly said Ethiopians and not Somali "government" forces. This was in your response to your claim that Ethiopians only came because of "khawarij", so I asked you, if so, why do they currently occupy almost one third of SOmali territory and they are crucifying innocents? Don't you know the history between Somalia and Ethiopia?
Still, the "government" forces are also notoriously known for looting Muqdisho people and they often fight over the loot themselves. They have also killed enough Somali civilians during the Ethiopian occupation. You want evidence for this; ask any SOmali or even better their own officials openly admit that they have this problem with their forces which needs to be curbed. Also, I can get you reports from international agencies.
In response to your last point I say to you this; I don't believe Somalia has a "government"( it hasn't had one for twenty years), hence there can no rebellion against an illegitimate entity and certainly they have commited greater crimes than corruption.
ps. some scholars at the time time made takfir on Yusuf Al Hajjaj.
Sorry brother Omar,
Not interested in your sinking into political deadends. The Islamic ruling has been clarified and all scholars have agreed that Shabab have no right to their war and it's not valid Jihad. If you're not convinced of this, then that is your option.
Wassalam Alaikom
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