"And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah in Islam," (39:12)
^ Meaning Muhammed (saw) would be the first muslim right?
BUT
Before him...
"When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said: "O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee." Allah said: "By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me." When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe." (7:143)
^ Meaning Moses would be the first muslim right?
AND
"And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam," (2:132)
^ Ok, Meaning Abraham is the first muslim ...right?
So is this a contradaction or just translated wrong?
Or is it a lie?
Now I'm not tryin to attack islam or anything but it would ..u kno... be more...clear... if i knew the answer.
Jazakallah khair
i belive that when the Prophet ) pbuh) said he was the first Muslim following the final revelation that he was given. Int he other cases, Muslim is meant as one whop submits to Allah.
I think this is the answer though there are people more knowledgeable than me who could comment.
i belive that when the Prophet ) pbuh) said he was the first Muslim following the final revelation that he was given. Int he other cases, Muslim is meant as one whop submits to Allah.
I think this is the answer though there are people more knowledgeable than me who could comment.
Oh ok well the Muhammed (saw) one makes sense, but wouldn't they say they are the first, second, muslims? Why would TWO prophets say they were the FIRST muslims?
Oh ok well the Muhammed (saw) one makes sense, but wouldn't they say they are the first, second, muslims? Why would TWO prophets say they were the FIRST muslims?
Jazakallah khair for your answer btw
The answer you are looking for is Adam. It is believed that there always been and always will be one true religion and that has been revealed to everyone in due time. The fact that Muhammad received the final revelation does not make him the first nor does it make any of the other prophets the first. The first human Allah created would have received a divine instruction as well.
Your answer is Adam. Whether he called himself a "muslim" or not is irrelevant.
I always thought it meant first Muslim of their time. Not the first Muslims EVER.
Allahu a'lam, that's just what I always thought it meant...
Yep that is what I always had in mind aswell, untill some atheist once pointed it out to me.... but that makes perfect sense! The first muslims of their time, inshAllah if wer wrong sum wiser bro or sis can brighten us up
Well its not EVER, because thats impossible, so it has to be of their generation
wa3alaikum assalam
So Moses claimed he was the first muslim in HIS generation , Abraham claimed he was the first muslim in HIS generation, and Muhammed claimed he was the first muslim because the quran was revealed to HIM and in his generation? Makes sense, but like when Abraham said he is the first muslim, wouldn't there have been other muslims from BEFORE him? like that learned from the prophet before him, and turned to Islam? Or did the Muslims from the prophet before him all ...disapear?
So Moses claimed he was the first muslim in HIS generation , Abraham claimed he was the first muslim in HIS generation, and Muhammed claimed he was the first muslim because the quran was revealed to HIM and in his generation? Makes sense, but like when Abraham said he is the first muslim, wouldn't there have been other muslims from BEFORE him? like that learned from the prophet before him, and turned to Islam? Or did the Muslims from the prophet before him all ...disapear?
jazakallah khair
sorry for so many questions.
I really can't answer this in to much dept i hope a wiser bro or sis cums along.
Well if the quran says that abraham was the first muslim, then its saying that his generation were not practising islam... So he was the first muslim at that time..
Well its not EVER, because thats impossible, so it has to be of their generation
Why is that impossible? Do you not believe that at one point nothing existed until god created it?
So one day god created a human, his name was Adam.
Adam was the first prophet as well as the first human ever.
A muslim is someone who submits to the will of Allah. There's no inconsistency so far, right?
So since Adam fits every definition of what it means to be a muslim, then he was the first muslim. He probably did not practise islam as it was revealed to muhammad, but neither did Noah, Moses, David, Jesus, Abraham, or any of the other prophets.
I understand that some of you want a "Muslim" brother to verify it, that's fine, atleast be consistent with what you believe.
Why is that impossible? Do you not believe that at one point nothing existed until god created it?
So one day god created a human, his name was Adam.
Adam was the first prophet as well as the first human ever.
A muslim is someone who submits to the will of Allah. There's no inconsistency so far, right?
So since Adam fits every definition of what it means to be a muslim, then he was the first muslim. He probably did not practise islam as it was revealed to muhammad, but neither did Noah, Moses, David, Jesus, Abraham, or any of the other prophets.
I understand that some of you want a "Muslim" brother to verify it, that's fine, atleast be consistent with what you believe.
All the best wishes,
Faysal
Hello, what ur saying is perfectly fine..
Its impossible that abraham was the first muslim ever because adam was a muslim before him... thats all am saying?
Makes sense, but like when Abraham said he is the first muslim, wouldn't there have been other muslims from BEFORE him? like that learned from the prophet before him, and turned to Islam? Or did the Muslims from the prophet before him all ...disapear?
When Abraham was alive he was the only Muslim at first, ALL other people on the whole earth were non-Muslim.
As for the Prophets before him, well it isn't hard to imagine what could have happened, just look at Prophet `Isa, how quickly did they all start to worship him as the son of God and fall in to kufr? I don't know what happened, but it could have been anything... perhaps the followers of the earlier prophets got less and less religious as generations passed, to the point they lost everything they had.
Also, from tafsir ibn katheer, it says about verse 7:143:
("and I am the first of the believers.''), among the Children of Israel, according to Ibn `Abbas, Mujahid, and Ibn Jarir preferred this view.
I really can't answer this in to much dept i hope a wiser bro or sis cums along.
Well if the quran says that abraham was the first muslim, then its saying that his generation were not practising islam... So he was the first muslim at that time..
Wa jazaaki
Questions are good
Its ok, Jazakallah khair
format_quote Originally Posted by Malaikah
When Abraham was alive he was the only Muslim at first, ALL other people on the whole earth were non-Muslim.
As for the Prophets before him, well it isn't hard to imagine what could have happened, just look at Prophet `Isa, how quickly did they all start to worship him as the son of God and fall in to kufr? I don't know what happened, but it could have been anything... perhaps the followers of the earlier prophets got less and less religious as generations passed, to the point they lost everything they had.
Also, from tafsir ibn katheer, it says about verse 7:143:
("and I am the first of the believers.''), among the Children of Israel, according to Ibn `Abbas, Mujahid, and Ibn Jarir preferred this view.
Wallahu A`lam.
Allahu A3lam , And Jazakallah khair sis for ur answer.
It seems pretty clear now
tho i sorta did find some...other...things while reading the translated quran today
None of us are scholars and can answer this question. This is not a fiqh discussion board. These sort of questions ought to be asked to scholars, not laymen.
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