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    There are several types of Zina which are each punishable depending on the severity.

    However, I would like a clarification on how zina differes from a man who already has a wife (1st) approaching another lady's family to ask for her hand in marriage.

    Does this mean the man already committed zina or because the intentions are different, this doesn't count as zina?
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    Re: How do we draw the line...

    ^ well its not zina so long as the man intends marriage which is realistic.

    let me give two scenario's,

    if a man wishes to marry a girl who he KNOWS he cant marry (due to family differences or other issues) and he keeps seeing her hoping to marry then this is wrong ! and could count as zina


    if a man wishes to marry a girl, approaches her family, proposes, is accepted and then continues to see her (WITH HER MAHRAM AROUND - male relative who she cant marry) in order to finalise the marriage then this is fine inshaAllaah


    Allah knows best, someone please correct me if im wrong
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    Re: How do we draw the line...

    format_quote Originally Posted by Mz View Post
    ^ well its not zina so long as the man intends marriage which is realistic.

    let me give two scenario's,

    if a man wishes to marry a girl who he KNOWS he cant marry (due to family differences or other issues) and he keeps seeing her hoping to marry then this is wrong ! and could count as zina


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    How is that classed as Zina? Isnt Zina sex before marrage?
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    Re: How do we draw the line...



    ^ He is committing zina of the eyes and speech, not the actual form of zina but the actions that lead to it.
    How do we draw the line...

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    Re: How do we draw the line...

    isnt it in Islam that you aren't judged for your negative intentions, until you actually commits them?

    in reference to the case, Zina of speech and sight (as sis jawharah puts it), its more of a khalwat (close proximity) case rather then Zina itself.
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    Re: How do we draw the line...

    Intersting thread.......... I was always led to believe that "zina" is adultery, before and after marraige..........

    Could someone please clarfy "zina of the eyes and speech and intentions"....... I thought this was something to do with intentions if you look with your eyes and intend but don't follow those intentions.......... if you think to say something but don't say it even though you have thougtht it..... if you intend to dosomething but then refrain from your actions........... doesn't have to be of a sexual nature. What is this in the eyes of Allah and are we forgived even though we have thought the thought but not carried out the action????

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    Re: How do we draw the line...



    ^The issue of looking is that looking at someone lustfully is in it self a sin...
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    Re: How do we draw the line...

    So....just to clairy. Zina is sex before marriage, talking to the opposite sex, and even looking at them correct?
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    Re: How do we draw the line...

    ^ zina is lusting basically..
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    Re: How do we draw the line...

    so looking or touching without lust is NOT zina?

    How do we draw the line...


    And as for the one who fears standing in front of His Lord and restrains the soul from impure evil desires and lusts, verily, Paradise will be his abode [79:40-41]
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    Re: How do we draw the line...

    ^ im defeated
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    Re: How do we draw the line...

    heres your answer!!!

    Dear sir/madam,

    I would like to ask you about the real definition of zina (sex outside marriage - adultery). Is it only the fact of having sex or is it also the fact that for example there was just a contact without penetration?

    Thank you
    Thank you for this question.

    The word zina (adultery and fornication), in Islam, can be used in two different, yet related, ways. It can be used as a general term that refers to a general meaning, and as a legal term defining a criminal act that invites punishments and other legal applications.

    Zina in its broad meaning indicates any haram (prohibited) act, whether the act was sexual intercourse or a look, talk, touch, or desire that is related or may lead to elicit sexual relations.

    Ibn ‘Abbas narrated that the Prophet (pbuh) said:

    ‘Allah has written for Adam’s son (mankind) his share of zina (adultery and fornication), which he commits inevitably. The zina of the eyes is the sight (to gaze at a forbidden thing), the zina of the tongue is the talk, and the inner-self wishes and desires and the private parts testify all this or deny.’

    These are forbidden because they eventually might lead to sexual intercourse, and they are forbidden as a preventive issue.

    Allah (swt) in the Nobel Qur’an said:

    Nor come near to adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils).


    Surah 17 Verse 32

    Scholars said that what makes some forms of gazing, talking, and touching forbidden acts is that they bring you near zina.

    Allah also said:
    Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: And God is well acquainted with all that they do.


    Surah 24 Verse 30

    Zina, as a legal term, has a more specific meaning because there are legal applications related to it. According to scholars, in its legal meaning zina is ‘the voluntary sexual intercourse outside of marriage when the male sexual organ is inserted inside the female one, regardless of the number of times.’

    Thus, any sexual relationship, which fits this definition, is legally zina and deserves the application of a major legal penalty.

    Zina in its broad meaning and its legal meaning are both haram (forbidden). However, committing zina (the legal meaning) leads to a major legal penalty, whereas committing anything that brings you near to zina is considered a bad deed for which one is accountable before Allah and it does not qualify for any specific physical punishment set out in Islamic law.

    Zina is regarded among the major sins in Islam. The Prophet (pbuh) said:

    ‘There is no sin after shirk (polytheism) greater in the eyes of Allah than a drop of semen, which a man places in the womb which is not lawful for him.’

    One may ask why zina is forbidden. The answer is that the shari’a (Islamic law) has objectives and intents. The objective of the Islamic law is to serve the interest of people (masalih al-‘ibad). The five ultimate interests (al-kuliyat al-khamsah) are the deen (belief), an-nafs (life), al-‘aql (intellect), al-maal (wealth), and an-nasl (family and lineage).

    The wisdom of preserving an-nasil (family and lineage) is to assure the recognition of the right lineage of people and their children, by which the social kinship and social network is kept safe and stable, as well as preserving society from sexually transmitted diseases.

    Islam has two ways to preserve an-nasl (family and lineage):
    Making marriage permissible and commanding Muslims to declare their marriages and to announce the children who come from the marriage.

    Eliminating the causes of corruption by prohibiting and punishing zina and by forbidding coming near to zina .

    Allah knows best.
    Wa salaam
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    Re: How do we draw the line...

    barak allahu fiki akhti that's a complete answer
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    Re: How do we draw the line...

    Thankyou so much for your clarification. Deeply appreciated.
    format_quote Originally Posted by maryam87 View Post
    heres your answer!!!

    Dear sir/madam,

    I would like to ask you about the real definition of zina (sex outside marriage - adultery). Is it only the fact of having sex or is it also the fact that for example there was just a contact without penetration?

    Thank you
    Thank you for this question.

    The word zina (adultery and fornication), in Islam, can be used in two different, yet related, ways. It can be used as a general term that refers to a general meaning, and as a legal term defining a criminal act that invites punishments and other legal applications.

    Zina in its broad meaning indicates any haram (prohibited) act, whether the act was sexual intercourse or a look, talk, touch, or desire that is related or may lead to elicit sexual relations.

    Ibn ‘Abbas narrated that the Prophet (pbuh) said:

    ‘Allah has written for Adam’s son (mankind) his share of zina (adultery and fornication), which he commits inevitably. The zina of the eyes is the sight (to gaze at a forbidden thing), the zina of the tongue is the talk, and the inner-self wishes and desires and the private parts testify all this or deny.’

    These are forbidden because they eventually might lead to sexual intercourse, and they are forbidden as a preventive issue.

    Allah (swt) in the Nobel Qur’an said:

    Nor come near to adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils).


    Surah 17 Verse 32

    Scholars said that what makes some forms of gazing, talking, and touching forbidden acts is that they bring you near zina.

    Allah also said:
    Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: And God is well acquainted with all that they do.


    Surah 24 Verse 30

    Zina, as a legal term, has a more specific meaning because there are legal applications related to it. According to scholars, in its legal meaning zina is ‘the voluntary sexual intercourse outside of marriage when the male sexual organ is inserted inside the female one, regardless of the number of times.’

    Thus, any sexual relationship, which fits this definition, is legally zina and deserves the application of a major legal penalty.

    Zina in its broad meaning and its legal meaning are both haram (forbidden). However, committing zina (the legal meaning) leads to a major legal penalty, whereas committing anything that brings you near to zina is considered a bad deed for which one is accountable before Allah and it does not qualify for any specific physical punishment set out in Islamic law.

    Zina is regarded among the major sins in Islam. The Prophet (pbuh) said:

    ‘There is no sin after shirk (polytheism) greater in the eyes of Allah than a drop of semen, which a man places in the womb which is not lawful for him.’

    One may ask why zina is forbidden. The answer is that the shari’a (Islamic law) has objectives and intents. The objective of the Islamic law is to serve the interest of people (masalih al-‘ibad). The five ultimate interests (al-kuliyat al-khamsah) are the deen (belief), an-nafs (life), al-‘aql (intellect), al-maal (wealth), and an-nasl (family and lineage).

    The wisdom of preserving an-nasil (family and lineage) is to assure the recognition of the right lineage of people and their children, by which the social kinship and social network is kept safe and stable, as well as preserving society from sexually transmitted diseases.

    Islam has two ways to preserve an-nasl (family and lineage):
    Making marriage permissible and commanding Muslims to declare their marriages and to announce the children who come from the marriage.

    Eliminating the causes of corruption by prohibiting and punishing zina and by forbidding coming near to zina .

    Allah knows best.
    Wa salaam
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    Re: How do we draw the line...

    format_quote Originally Posted by maryam87 View Post
    heres your answer!!!

    Dear sir/madam,

    I would like to ask you about the real definition of zina (sex outside marriage - adultery). Is it only the fact of having sex or is it also the fact that for example there was just a contact without penetration?

    Thank you
    Thank you for this question.

    The word zina (adultery and fornication), in Islam, can be used in two different, yet related, ways. It can be used as a general term that refers to a general meaning, and as a legal term defining a criminal act that invites punishments and other legal applications.

    Zina in its broad meaning indicates any haram (prohibited) act, whether the act was sexual intercourse or a look, talk, touch, or desire that is related or may lead to elicit sexual relations.

    Ibn ‘Abbas narrated that the Prophet (pbuh) said:

    ‘Allah has written for Adam’s son (mankind) his share of zina (adultery and fornication), which he commits inevitably. The zina of the eyes is the sight (to gaze at a forbidden thing), the zina of the tongue is the talk, and the inner-self wishes and desires and the private parts testify all this or deny.’

    These are forbidden because they eventually might lead to sexual intercourse, and they are forbidden as a preventive issue.

    Allah (swt) in the Nobel Qur’an said:

    Nor come near to adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils).


    Surah 17 Verse 32

    Scholars said that what makes some forms of gazing, talking, and touching forbidden acts is that they bring you near zina.

    Allah also said:
    Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: And God is well acquainted with all that they do.


    Surah 24 Verse 30

    Zina, as a legal term, has a more specific meaning because there are legal applications related to it. According to scholars, in its legal meaning zina is ‘the voluntary sexual intercourse outside of marriage when the male sexual organ is inserted inside the female one, regardless of the number of times.’

    Thus, any sexual relationship, which fits this definition, is legally zina and deserves the application of a major legal penalty.

    Zina in its broad meaning and its legal meaning are both haram (forbidden). However, committing zina (the legal meaning) leads to a major legal penalty, whereas committing anything that brings you near to zina is considered a bad deed for which one is accountable before Allah and it does not qualify for any specific physical punishment set out in Islamic law.

    Zina is regarded among the major sins in Islam. The Prophet (pbuh) said:

    ‘There is no sin after shirk (polytheism) greater in the eyes of Allah than a drop of semen, which a man places in the womb which is not lawful for him.’

    One may ask why zina is forbidden. The answer is that the shari’a (Islamic law) has objectives and intents. The objective of the Islamic law is to serve the interest of people (masalih al-‘ibad). The five ultimate interests (al-kuliyat al-khamsah) are the deen (belief), an-nafs (life), al-‘aql (intellect), al-maal (wealth), and an-nasl (family and lineage).

    The wisdom of preserving an-nasil (family and lineage) is to assure the recognition of the right lineage of people and their children, by which the social kinship and social network is kept safe and stable, as well as preserving society from sexually transmitted diseases.

    Islam has two ways to preserve an-nasl (family and lineage):
    Making marriage permissible and commanding Muslims to declare their marriages and to announce the children who come from the marriage.

    Eliminating the causes of corruption by prohibiting and punishing zina and by forbidding coming near to zina .

    Allah knows best.
    Wa salaam
    Thanks Maryam.... your answer has explianed both issues..Zina and declaration of marriages( or intention to marry)
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