I hope this is the right place to inquire: what nation, in your opinion, most closely follows Islamic law, government and economics? Alternately, what nation has the best hope of becoming more Islamic?
I never said that I supported Abdullah Badawi or Razak. I would say that I love Mahathir, but I can't get past what he did to Anwar Ibrahim.
I just think that Malay Muslims are some of the best people in the Muslim world. Plus, the whole 'bumiputra' thing which discriminates against Chinese is absolutely hilarious. What god****ed right do they have to come to Malaysia and monopolize the economy?
I never said that I supported Abdullah Badawi or Razak. I would say that I love Mahathir, but I can't get past what he did to Anwar Ibrahim.
I just think that Malay Muslims are some of the best people in the Muslim world. Plus, the whole 'bumiputra' thing which discriminates against Chinese is absolutely hilarious. What god****ed right do they have to come to Malaysia and monopolize the economy?
When it comes to Mahathir, everybody both from pro-government and opposition would agree that he's great in managing economy and administration of the country... but at the last 10 years of his premiership, he's getting more dictatorship, authoritarian, controlling media etc.
Abdullah Badawi, the country has been in auto-pilot mode since day one... he damaged lots of things...
Najib Razak..... I prefer Badawi or Mahathir than him.... he's scandalous...
I'm officially registered as a "Malay" and have a "bumiputra" status... but as other younger Malay generation, we just want this country to change... many dont care about Malayness thingy.... for those who are Islamists they just want to be known as Malaysian Muslims rather than as Malays... many younger generation of Malays are sick with "Malay Supremacy" because in reality it's "UMNO supremacy"... only UMNO members benefited mostly whatsoever "Malay special rights" available...
The first people settled in Malaysia are the aborigines locally known as Orang Asli... then came more advanced people from Yunnan province and pushing the aborigines to the jungle and dominated Malayan peninsula..
because it's situated between india and china.... the peoples living here are mixed people of Chinese and Indians. Hinduism and Buddhism were the religions of the people... the Sultanate of Kedah (the oldest Sultanate in Malaysia) claims that they're descendant of Alexander the Great...
then the whole peninsula was under Siamese rule... until a rebel Malay prince from Sumatra came here and established a kingdom which Malayanised the people here....
No country is islamic at this pint, i dont think someone correct me if i am wrong.
The closest one right now is probbaly iran
inshaalh other countries will also become more islamic
Iran's criminal and civil law systems are based in the fiqh of Jafaari Shi'ism, which makes Iran one of the least Islamic nations. According to Iranian law, sex change operations are halal.
Iran's criminal and civil law systems are based in the fiqh of Jafaari Shi'ism, which makes Iran one of the least Islamic nations. According to Iranian law,sex change operations are halal.
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i personally think saudi arabia, even though its not 100% sharia followin, some of the rules there are near sharia more then any other country that i know off
like their al muwatta police
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At the risk of offending the Pakistanis on this board, I'd rate Pakistan's Islamic credentials on the same level as Iran. The same goes for Afghanistan.
i personally think saudi arabia, even though its not 100% sharia followin, some of the rules there are near sharia more then any other country that i know off
like their al muwatta police
There are some aspects of the Sharia in place in Saudi Arabia, but there's also alot of customery law which has no basis in Islam (no female drivers, for instance).
On top of that, no nation can be considered Islamic if it tolerates a despotic regime such as the al-Saud monarchy.
From the replies so far in this thread, it is clear that no one sees an ideal Islamic country anywhere. With about 56 countries worldwide controlled by Muslims, not one is seen to be satisfactorily running on Islamic lines. Is it the failure of Islam or the Muslims? That is, has Islam a blueprint for a perfect society or are Muslims unwilling/incapable of implementing Islamic blueprint for a perfect society? Or, is it that Islam is incapable of producing ideal Muslims in sufficient numbers to bring about an ideal Islamic society?
"If you have two loaves of bread, sell one to buy hyacinths, for they will feed your soul." Mohammad
I may also add that Muslims' fancy of an ideal Islamic society is misplaced because religions are essentially teachings meant to unravel man's potential. Islam, most among all religions, has sought to model societies, nay the whole world, on its vision without realizing that no individual would fall in line to any external order unless he, of his own volition, chooses to. Therefore no religions have ever in the past or in future would succeed in creating a perfect society. No religion’s ambition should be beyond creating spiritual individuals.
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I think Malaysia as well. They do have some silly things, but it's better than all the other tin pot dictatorships, terror states and Saudis who run the rest of the Islamic world...
From the replies so far in this thread, it is clear that no one sees an ideal Islamic country anywhere. With about 56 countries worldwide controlled by Muslims, not one is seen to be satisfactorily running on Islamic lines. Is it the failure of Islam or the Muslims? That is, has Islam a blueprint for a perfect society or are Muslims unwilling/incapable of implementing Islamic blueprint for a perfect society? Or, is it that Islam is incapable of producing ideal Muslims in sufficient numbers to bring about an ideal Islamic society?
1) It's the fault of muslims because the one's who are in charge of the countries are not following Islam properly.
One needs only to look at the teachings of Islam as a whole - they all aim to keep justice and order in a society.
2) Sharia (or Islamic law) is so similar to any other form of law out here (examples: theives, murderers and rapists are all categorised as criminals in all law systems) - the only real difference is in maximum punishments which the BNP and its ilk (or anyone who took extreme pleasure in Saddam being HANGED) seem to have a problem with (rather ironic don't ya think!)
3) There is no such thing as a blueprint for a perfect society; perfect societies do not exist and have not existed. Sharia does not aim for perfection, rather it aims for justice and order amongst society.
In that regard, it is holistically the perfect blueprint.
4) Sharia is not supposed to be dogmatic - it should be thought of as a spine; there is room for some flexibility but not too much, else it'd snap and not too little, else it would be too restrictive. It is a balancing act and that is one of the main reasons why a CALIPHATE is needed (they're essentially moderators for Islamic law but this is too brief a summary of what they actually do)
5) Most if not all muslim countries currently practice a pseudo-Islamic law. It is a hybrid of sharia and whatever else is common to them - because of this, it is prone to many silly laws or interpretations. Again, with a caliphate, this problem would be minimised.
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as well as all other countries!!
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