I'v been reading the Qur'an (in English) for the past few weeks. How can I know if it is truly from God? I don't read enough Arabic to make a judgment on whether someone could write a Suryah as impressive as one from the Qur'an. It seems to give that as the test of it's truthfulness, i.e., try and duplicate it. But I don't understand much Arabic and I doubt if I ever will be able to be fluent.
So what is the test of its truthfulness? How can I, someone who does not speak Arabic, ever know if it is from God, or if it is from a man?
This thread could turn into an endless debate, there are many reasons to authenticate Allahs msg, from the fact that his messenger(pbuh) was illiterate and had nothing to gain from its revelation, and even ststed to his countrymen that he wanted no profit from its revelation, to the examples of science that are 100s of years before thier time explained within the pages of the Qur'an. What I would suggest is that you watch peace TV or google a man called Dr Zakir Naik (maybe someone can post a link for you) and let him explain the Qur'ans authenticity.
May Allah guide you further to the truth, Ameen
"O ye who belive! Endure, outdo all others in endurance, be ready, and observe your duty to Allah, in order that you may succeed"
^^ Very True. Tonnes of material has already been made on this subject. I suggest you to look for "Is the Qur'an God's word?" by Dr. Zakir Naik. Either you buy it from somewhere or see if its available on YouTube.
If Allah helps you, none can overcome you; and if He forsakes you, who is there after Him that can help you? And in Allah (Alone) let believers put their trust.
Surah Ale Imran : 160
It was narrated that Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with him) said:
The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allaah be upon him) climbed up Uhud, accompanied by Abu Bakr, ‘Umar and ‘Uthmaan, and the mountain shook with them. He struck it with his foot and said: “Stand firm, O Uhud, for there is no one on you but a Prophet or a Siddeeq or two martyrs.”
Narrated by al-Bukhaari (3483)
Allah (Subhaanahu Wa Taala) does not inspire seeking forgiveness in a slave whom he wishes to punish.
I'v been reading the Qur'an (in English) for the past few weeks. How can I know if it is truly from God? I don't read enough Arabic to make a judgment on whether someone could write a Suryah as impressive as one from the Qur'an. It seems to give that as the test of it's truthfulness, i.e., try and duplicate it. But I don't understand much Arabic and I doubt if I ever will be able to be fluent.
So what is the test of its truthfulness? How can I, someone who does not speak Arabic, ever know if it is from God, or if it is from a man?
I am 100% serious. I would like to know.
Peace and Love.
I am new to Islam like you. I can understand your issue - I have similar concerns.
I have visited many sites with audio and visual messages. While many of these are good in and of themselves they all suffer from the same thing - they are working from base - Islam is true therefore what I say is true - which is rather circular and proves nothing.
But for me that proof can be found in the 'little' things. You may not have hear of Hazem El Masri but he is well known in Australia as a champion rugby league player. He has just announced retirement and is the greatest all time points scorer in the game - and his a Muslim. While many players have been tarnished with alcohol, drug and sexual abuses Hazem El Masri has been the shining light of what a man can achieve on the sports field without indulging in alcohol, drugs or illicit sex.
You can find more here. Since that interview in 2007 he has well are truly eclipsed all other points scorers in the game.
The same God seems to confound and confuse us all, he has not given any of us conclusive proof for his existence. If there was total proof, the chances are we would all see this proof in the same way, and believe the same religion.
Faith in God is about doing something, you said in another thread, how can you fast for so long? Somehow God inspires a billion or so Muslims to do this, which show faith and trust in God.
There is a price in searching for God, the price is we must be prepared to change ourselves and do something. It starts with prayer.
In the spirit of searching for God
Eric
You will never look into the eyes of anyone who does not matter to God.
I'v been reading the Qur'an (in English) for the past few weeks. How can I know if it is truly from God? I don't read enough Arabic to make a judgment on whether someone could write a Suryah as impressive as one from the Qur'an. It seems to give that as the test of it's truthfulness, i.e., try and duplicate it. But I don't understand much Arabic and I doubt if I ever will be able to be fluent.
So what is the test of its truthfulness? How can I, someone who does not speak Arabic, ever know if it is from God, or if it is from a man?
I am 100% serious. I would like to know.
Peace and Love.
I came to this site for the same reasons (to learn if Islam and the Qu’ran were the word of God). At a point in time I made my decision and announced that decision on this site so that no one would be deceived as to my intent. One of the verses that swung it for me was 33:53. Of course we humans have the ability to see the same thing and come up with different conclusions. So why am I still here - because I am still learning.
I watched the video, very well done. It helps to develop a respect for the prophet and what he accomplished. Very interesting.
On the other hand, taking a closer look at Surah 33 sure reminds me of the problems I had with mormonism and their so-called prophet. I mean, why would God include as part of his holy book some of the mundane trivialities and seemingly special treatment for Muhammed that show up in that Surah?
On the other hand, taking a closer look at Surah 33 sure reminds me of the problems I had with mormonism and their so-called prophet. I mean, why would God include as part of his holy book some of the mundane trivialities and seemingly special treatment for Muhammed that show up in that Surah?
The verse 33:53 does not tell us about the special treatment of prophet Muhammad. Instead it tells us how Muslims should treat each other generally.
(33:53) Believers, enter not the houses of the Prophet without his permission
This verse is explained by a scholar Modudi (taken from tafheem.net) This is an introduction to the general Command that was given in Surah An-Nur: 27 about a year later. In the ancient times the Arabs would enter one another's house unceremoniously. If a person had to see another person he did not drink it was necessary to call at the door or take permission for entry, but would enter the house and ask the womenfolk and children whether the master was at home or not, This custom of ignorance was the cause of many evils and would often give rise to some serious evils. Therefore, in the beginning a rule was made in respect of the houses of the Holy Prophet that no person, whether a close friend or a distant relative, could enter them without permission. Then in Surah An-Nur a general command was given to enforce this rule for the houses of aII the Muslims.
This verse teaches us about the importance of privacy.
nor wait for a meal to be prepared; instead enter when you are invited to eat,
Modudi's explanation This is the second command in this connection. An uncivilized practice prevalent among the Arabs was that the visitors would call on a friend or acquaintance right at the time of the meals, or would come and prolong their stay till the meals time approached. This would often cause the master of the house great embarrassment. He could neither be so discourteous as to tell the visitors to leave because it was his meals time, nor could feed so many unexpected guests together. For it is not always possible for a person to arrange meals inunediately for as many visitors as happened to call on him at a time. Allah disapproved of this practice and commanded that the visitors should go for meals to a house only when invited. This Command did not in particular apply to the Holy Prophet's house only but the rules were in the beginning enforced in that model household so that they become general rules of etiquette in the houses of the other Muslims as well.
You must note that the prophet's household is a model for an ideal household so what Allah tells the prophet is also applicable on Muslims. and when you have had the meal, disperse. Do not linger in idle talk. That is hurtful to the Prophet but he does not express it out of shyness; but Allah is not ashamed of speaking out the Truth. And if you were to ask the wives of the Prophet for something, ask from behind a curtain. That is more apt for the cleanness of your hearts and theirs.
This part of the verse stresses the segregation between men and women in a general household. It is not lawful for you to cause hurt to Allah's Messenger, nor to ever marry his wives after him. Surely that would be an enormous sin in Allah's sight.
Wives of the prophets were regarded as mothers of all Muslims, that is why they were not allowed to marry afterwards.
Basically this verse does not only tell us how to behave with a prophet, instead it tells us about mannerism and the general rules of a household
Peace
there can be no proof of the truthfulness as all religions require blind faith, faith that is blind to perceived inconsistencies.
all religious peoples struggle to reconcile modern knowledge with the basic tenets of their faith because most faiths were devised thousands of years ago in a darker time.
if their faith isnt true it doesnt really matter - people created it because they NEEDED it and people cling to their faith because they need it, not the other way round.
a buddhist would struggle to justify the urge to use violence to protect his family, or a christian to explain dinosaurs - dont worry if you question these things, it only means that you are a sane rational human being.
all religious peoples struggle to reconcile modern knowledge with the basic tenets of their faith
All? Not really. Perhaps those whose faith has not been tempered by knowledge of the presence of God. What 'all' people of faith have struggled with is the 'tenets' imposed by others in their attempts to overcome their own lack of faith.
a buddhist would struggle to justify the urge to use violence to protect his family
All you have demonstrated is your general ignorance of Buddhism.
or a christian to explain dinosaurs
I'm a Christian and explain dinosaurs quite easily.
Perhaps what you are struggling with is your own need to rationalize all phenomena. Perhaps you are looking in the wrong direction.
I would like to hear an explanation - Yes, if it pleases you so to do.
Allah censures His Prophet for Prohibiting Himself from what He has allowed for Him In the Book of Vows
Al-Bukhari recorded that `Ubayd bin `Umayr said that he heard `A'ishah claiming that Allah's Messenger used to stay for a period in the house of Zaynab bint Jahsh [his wife] and drink honey in her house. (She said) "Hafsah and I decided that when the Prophet entered upon either of us, we would say, `I smell Maghafir on you. Have you eaten Maghafir' When he entered upon one of us, she said that to him. He replied (to her),
Maghafir had a kind of smell to it, and this is why Allah's Messenger forbade it for himself. But since it is permitted by God [i.e. its not haraam] - this is why there were verses in regard to mentioning that he shouldn't have forbidden it for himself.
Also, its weird how the likes of Azy want to quote something like this, since - if he isn't the Messenger of God - why does he criticize himself for something?
Furthermore, say he was to be with his other wife [Mariyah] - then what's forbidding him from being with her? Why is that a sin? How is that something blameworthy in the religion?
Ask yourself when reading the Qur'ans meaning, do you think that its the best way of life in comparison to other ways of life? Does it provide the best type of guidance?
Just focus on the message of the Qur'an, and read the biography of Prophet Muhammad, and come to your own personal conclusions. Could it come from other than God?
Make a list of the pros and cons, and also make a criteria for yourself as to whether you think Islam calls to more good and benefit for mankind, or other forms of life. See which outweighs the other, pray to God for success in your sincere path, and you will find what you believe is the truth.
Well this surah was revealed when two of the prophets wife (peace be upon him) got jealous that he spent longer than usual at 1 of his wife's houses, at her house he drank honey, so when they both found out that he had honey at her house they plotted to say he had a bad odor coming from his mouth when he got back.
When they both said this to him, he made it forbidden for himself to drink honey because he thought it caused a bad odor and displeased his wifes, then god revealed
[Tehreem 66:1] O dear Prophet ! Why do you forbid for yourself the things that God has made lawful for you? You wish to please some of your wives; and Allah is Oft Forgiving, Most Merciful
and the next few verses go on the admonish his wifes for making stuff up that isn't true e.g the bad odor
Last edited by Salahudeen; 09-01-2009 at 01:20 PM.
"I don't read enough Arabic to make a judgment on whether someone could write a Suryah as impressive as one from the Qur'an."
I'm not someone with knowledge so If I make a mistake,don't get exited.
Allah,spw, has sent messangers to reveal his message for our purpose in life. If God exists, He doesn't create anything in vain,right?
This is a way in which you can tell,one way, to which religion is actually our obligation to our Lord,Exalted He be.
If you believe in God,you should have a reason to believe that God doesn't create in vain and that He would want us to live in a certain way.And that He would have told us,in some way, what our purpose is.
Through the scriptures, He has told us in what way he wants us to live, He reestablished the true path a few times.
The evidence that Muhammad,saws, is a messanger of God is the Qur'an. The Qur'an is Muhammad,saws, walking. It was in his brain,memorized. If you doubt that he was illiterate,well, I doubt that anyone was litterate at the time. There were no authors,books, television,schools...
Why would you be interested in writting. It simply wasn't used. It was unnecessary at the time.
We can proof through the chain of authority that the Qur'an is the original Qur'an.
I hope you understand what I am mean by a chain of authority. It's a chain of teachers. Like for example A taught B, B taught C, C taught D, D taught E, and so on and so on. With a book that is found in a cave, you cannot do anything because you cannot trace it back to the original author (A) . I hope this is clear, but if it's not, just ask.
We do not want to trace Scriptures to a cave, we want to trace them back to the Prophets(pbut). What we want is chain which says that Prophet X gave/taught his Book to his student who gave it to his student who gave it to his student 'til we arrive to a student who lives now.
This is used by historians in all fields and not just Islam.Don't you dare compare it to the telephone party game,pure ignorance.
Could Muhammad write the Qur'an. No, no one of the time could. Has anyone written a sura like that of the Qur'an IN ARABIC today? No....
jUST GO TO gOOGLE AND TYPE IN: mIRACLES OF THE qUR'AN.
Once you finish and read the Qur'an you can experience it's miraculous power. If you read it with an open heart and mind you might conversate with the creator of the heavens and the earth.
[QUOTE=Eric H;1213144]Greetings and peace be with you rabimansur;
The same God seems to confound and confuse us all, he has not given any of us conclusive proof for his existence. If there was total proof, the chances are we would all see this proof in the same way, and believe the same religion.
Faith in God is about doing something, you said in another thread, how can you fast for so long? Somehow God inspires a billion or so Muslims to do this, which show faith and trust in God.
There is a price in searching for God, the price is we must be prepared to change ourselves and do something. It starts with prayer.
In the spirit of searching for God
Just because the Qur'an is a word of God doesn't mean that we proof God or that he has proven himself through a scripture.
Why are Quranic verses arigorical?
Aja or a verse of the Qur'an just means a sign, what a coincidence.
'FAITH IN GOD IS ABOUT DOING SOMETHING"
EXACLY,through the Qur'an, Allah,spw, had told us how he want's us to live.
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