Assalamualaikum
Yes,it is correct" Inni wajjahtu waj-hiya lilla-zee fataras samawati wal ardha hannifan- wama ana minal mushriqueen. ".I am not sure about the translation.
When i was taught how to do salah seems like a longtime ago but i still remember the beatings hehemy Imam as i remember said before you start prayer we should recite the following and make intention:
" Inni wajjahtu waj-hiya lilla-zee fataras samawati wal ardha hannifan- wama ana minal mushriqueen. "
Translation
I have turned my full attention towards the Supreme Being, Who has created the heavens and the earth, and I am not one of those who associate partners with Him.
Am i correct in reciting this ? Or was i taught wrong?
A little clarification would be greatly appreciated
Assalamualaikum
Yes,it is correct" Inni wajjahtu waj-hiya lilla-zee fataras samawati wal ardha hannifan- wama ana minal mushriqueen. "
^ Thank you sister because i only ask since i was talking with another Brother and he had never heard of the above and said it was most likely incorrect .format_quote Originally Posted by Safiya 1
Assalamualaikum
Yes,it is correct
format_quote Originally Posted by Safiya 1Assalamualaikum
Yes,it is correct
Evidence please?
That is not Niah (intention) that recited before Takbeer, but Du'a Iftistah that recited after Takbeer.format_quote Originally Posted by S<ChowdhuryWhen i was taught how to do salah seems like a longtime ago but i still remember the beatings hehe
" Inni wajjahtu waj-hiya lilla-zee fataras samawati wal ardha hannifan- wama ana minal mushriqueen. "
Translation
I have turned my full attention towards the Supreme Being, Who has created the heavens and the earth, and I am not one of those who associate partners with Him.
Am i correct in reciting this ? Or was i taught wrong?
A little clarification would be greatly appreciated
Du'a Iftistah above is incomplete, and just one of some versions.
Ibn al-Qayyim said in Zaad al-Ma’aad (1/201):
When the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stood up to pray, he would say: “Allaahu akbar,” and he did not say anything before that, or utter the intention (niyyah) out loud at all. He did not say, “I am going to pray such-and-such a prayer, facing the qiblah, four rak'ahs, as an imam or following an imam.” And he did not say “ada’an (on time)” or “qadaa’an (making up a missed prayer)” or “fard al-waqt (the obligatory prayer of this time).” These are all bid’ahs which were not narrated by any scholar with any isnaad, be it saheeh, da’eef, musnad or mursal … Neither was this narrated from any of the Prophet’s companions, and none of the Taabi’een or the four imams described it as mustahabb.
So the Muslim should have the intention of praying in his heart only, and not utter anything out loud.
''LIVE for the sake of ALLAH, LOVE for the sake of ALLAH, FIGHT for the sake of ALLAH, & DIE for the sake of ALLAH''
i was thought a different intention :><:
but that intention is much more nicer
in SE Asia they teach you to say your niyyah (intention) out loud before s tarting your salah. For example, you will say 2 rakah namaz fajr, namaz time fajr, facing qibla, allahu akbar. This is not correct. There is no such thing in Islam. Only time one can make the intention out loud is during hajj.
you will have to find some evidence for that as to whether this is true or notformat_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
But i know that no teacher tells you to do the intention out loud lol
Sis intention was not made vocally , out loud or otherwise by any sahabi or the prophet sala lahu alihi wa sallam himself , this is an innovation ,. there is no HADEETH to indicate it , not even a false n fabricated hadeeth nor a weak hadeeth , there is is NO evidence of doing that whatso ever.
Its all in the heart , for example if i leave my house to go to pray fajr , thats my niyah right there , now when i get to the masjid may be my niyyah from home was that i will pray 2 rakat tahiyatul masjid or sunnah of fajr ( if i have not prayed it at home) but when i get there i see them getting ready for the salah , so all of a sudden my niyah in my heart changes n instead of me praying those two rakats my niyah in my heart becomes that i will join them in obligatory salah and later i can pray the sunnah InshahAllah.
I do not have to say vocally that " I intend to pray two rakat farz namaz of fajr behind an imam facing the kaaba shareef -- Allah hu akbar!
Have u seen this brothes n sisters , i always every day in each salah see this , people cpome stand in the row n keep mumbling stuff and most of the times they lose out on joining the imam in takbeer tahrimah , the frst tabeer and the imam starts the faathia and they lose the ajar of joining from the first takbeer? why coz of a bidah an innovation that the Prophet sala lahu alihi wa sallam never practise , never taught m never legislated , never did his sahabas.
I also see sometimes peole are ina hurry n they mae the wrong niyah , like imsated of dhur namaz they say asr namaz for example n By Allah i have seen them break their salah again and start over with announcing n uttering out the right niyyah ,and this is a common site in many masajid
U see some keep their hands on their ears for almost aminute or more or like half a minute n some even get stuck in that position for longer , have u not seen this brothers? a guy standing to pray and he takes his hands up to his ears fp rthe takbeer n they stay there for quite some time coz he cant get the niyyah right , thre rakat no noastaghfiruul , two rakah fajr , no astaghirullah 4 rakat sunnah dhur and on and on.
Who ever claims that niyah is to be said before the salah , Please bring ur evidence , we are not the ones supposed to bring the evidence , rather the one who has legislated the action has to brig the evidence fro his action , coz evidence is always for an act or action , so please bring the evidence that the prophet sala lahu alihi wa sallam did it or taught it n NO general ahadeeth do not apply it has to be specific , so dont bring the hadeeth that " inna mal amaal bi niyat"
that is a general hadeeth .and doe snot in any way apply to reading teh niyyah , out loud or softly or any other way , rather niyah is in the heart.
I dont know how u missed the reply of mujaheeda , she brought evidence rom a well know scholar , please do check it.
Here is another way of understanding it.
We see that the pathan brothers so the niyyah in pashtu , the bangla do it in bangla , the urdu speaking say it in urdu , the arabic (some of them ) say it in arabic ,
So i ask , If the Prophet sala lahu alihi wa sallam had done it in arabic , wouldnt the same words apply to us all?? and wouldnt than we all have to do it in arabic coz it was a part of the salah , just like a pathaan cannot recite surah al fathiha's translation in pashtu we wont be able to do it in our own languages.
hope it helps
and hope no one minds , may Allah bless u all , n reward u all.
assalam o alikum
This dua has nothing to do with ny'a (intention). This dua is called : Du'a al-Istiftah = opening dua. And it's sunnah (different from ny'a witch is fardh and is implicite(in the heart)),format_quote Originally Posted by S<Chowdhury
This du'a was sunnah : means the prophet (s.a.w) used to read it in the beginning of the prayer, and du'a Istiftah can have other forms (ex :
*) Allahumma baa’id bayni wa bayna khataayaaya kama baa’adta bayna al-mashriqi wa’l-maghrib. Allahumma naqqini min khataayaaya kama yunaqqa al-thawb al-abyad min al-danas. Allaahumma ighsilni min khataayaaya bi’l-thalji wa’l-maa’i wa’l-barad.
“O Allah, put a great distance between me and my sins, as great as the distance You have made between the East and the West. O Allah, cleanse me of sin as a white garment is cleansed from filth. O Allah, wash away my sins with snow and water and hail.” (Bukhari)Some explain it as a greeting for our Lord before the Salah. Anyway, Du'a Istiftah is a sunnah that Prophet Muhammed used to do, we should do it to follow our prophet (s.a.w) and to get rewarded from Allah, but if we forget to say it or if we don't know it, it's ok and our prayer without it can be correct inshallah.*) Subhanaka Allahuma wabi hamdik, wata-baraka ismuk, wa ta’ala jad-duka wala ilaha ghyruk.
“Glory be to you, O Allah, and all praises are due unto You, and blessed is Your name and high is Your majesty and none is worthy of worship but you.” (Sahih Jami`)
We have to not confound it with "Ny'a" (intention). Ny'a is fardh. Before doing the prayer we should have implicite intention (in our heart) that we want to do prayer not anything else. And salah without Ny'a is incorrect (it's a necessary condition of salah).
Last edited by marwen; 04-12-2010 at 06:34 PM.
who invented this practice? i thought this was part of the hanafi schoolformat_quote Originally Posted by brotherubaid
Jazak Allah khair akhi marwen for bringing the other forms of dua al istiftaah that are PROVED from the Prophet sala lahu alihi wa sallam.
Also this was proved
a Companion came late to join the ranks of the people at prayer and opened his prayer with the words: Allahu akbar kabîran wa al-hamdu lillahi kathîran wa subhan Allahi bukratan wa asîla.
Allah is greater and truly great! Praise belongs to Allah abundantly! Glory to Allah morning and evening!
After prayer the Prophet asked who had said this. The man identified himself saying: "O Messenger of Allah! I did not intend by it other than good." The Prophet said: "I saw the gates of heaven open because of those words."
n in the narration of ibn umar : "I never stopped saying them since I heard the Prophet say this.
So this along with the ost famous , Subhanaka Allahuma wabi hamdik, wata-baraka ismuk, wa ta’ala jad-duka wala ilaha ghyruk.
“Glory be to you, O Allah, and all praises are due unto You, and blessed is Your name and high is Your majesty and none is worthy of worship but you.” (Sahih Jami`)
And
Allahumma baa’id bayni wa bayna khataayaaya kama baa’adta bayna al-mashriqi wa’l-maghrib. Allahumma naqqini min khataayaaya kama yunaqqa al-thawb al-abyad min al-danas. Allaahumma ighsilni min khataayaaya bi’l-thalji wa’l-maa’i wa’l-barad.
“O Allah, put a great distance between me and my sins, as great as the distance You have made between the East and the West. O Allah, cleanse me of sin as a white garment is cleansed from filth. O Allah, wash away my sins with snow and water and hail.” (Bukhari)
( Absolute beauty , imagine starting a night prayer with this)
And the Dua of Ibraheem
Inni wajjahtu waj-hiya lilla-zee fataras samawati wal ardha hannifan- wama ana minal mushriqueen. "
Translation
I have turned my full attention towards the Supreme Being, Who has created the heavens and the earth, and I am not one of those who associate partners with Him.
These are all duaas of istiftaah , said after u start the prayer by saying Allahu Akbar.
This is what they are , notto be said before the prayer , rather after u start it InshahAllah
Barak Allahu feekum
lol bro i think its no harm to do intention anywayformat_quote Originally Posted by brotherubaid
we dont need to go to deep in to these things and annoy ourselves about it whether theres a hadith about it or not.
theres certain things that we do not have certain evidence of but that dose not mean we dont do it when there is absolutely no harm in it
and the majority of muslims make intention
Well i think u see hanafi brothers do this , but does not necessary mean that hanafi school promotes this , may Allah guide the common people , there is a lot o fthings that a common hanafi person might do , but The great Imam abu haneefa and the school of thought will never approve of them , rather even warn against them.format_quote Originally Posted by tango92
So just a point of benefit brother , the actions of people might make the whole school of thought look bad , but at times its that particular persons fault n mistake , or that particular groups mistake , their personal mistake of which Imam Abu haneefa is free n so is the hanafi school.
But yes , when u see soo many hanafi peolple do the same mistake , u pause n think why arent the hanafi scholars ns tudents of knowledge correcting them? why dont they come out n spak about it ? why dont they warn against such things? we should all fear Allah , and always look at quran n sunnah n if our maslak , our manhaj is going against it or there is stronger evidence with some one else to prove us wrong , we should follow n accept it
May Allah guide us all to the quran n sunnah, the way the Prophet sala lahu alihi wa sallam n his companions practised n how they understood the deen , n those who came after them n those who followed them
well sister this is exactly why we are so diffrent from the sahabas n the tabieen n the rightly guided muslims.format_quote Originally Posted by cat eyes
And this is propably why our position in this world is so diffent from them as well.
This was not their attitude towards new things invented nor did they used to do things which they saw no harm in , rather they would adhere a complete adherence to what was proved to them.
N i mean to add soemthing to the salah , which is like the greatest act of worship probably , notthing can be added to it from our own opinions or intellect or our thinking and likes n dislikes , if thats the case then sister i dont see any harm in doing 3 sajdahs rather than 2 , see talaq is three times , many things in islam are like three times , u know the door three times , why not do sajdah three times also.
There might not be evidence for cetrain things n we could probably do them , why not , BUT when it come sto act of worship ITSELF like prayer , we cannot add or reduce anything from them , lets take for example a brother likes to stay in the masjid betwwen maghrib n ishaa reading quran or hadeeth or just doing other forms of worship coz well the time between these two salahs is not that long any way , so he can do it why not he does not need to have an evidnce for it , its good for him , may be thats the only time of the day he has for quran , or may be his house is too far so rather than going back n comming again he can just stay n do some worship n i wont confront him like WHAT IS UR EVIDENCE? u get the idea , so here there is no harm agreed , but when it comes to worship n acts of worship we have to follow the evidence, STRICLY or we will be left with notthing like the christains lost it all , now they have base guitars n pianos in churches may be coz they thought teher was absolutely no harm in them? r may be coz they did not adheer to what jesus peac be upon him left them with.
we will end up just liek them if we open these doors sister , may Allah reward u.
so i hope u get the picture ,
N YES NIYAH N INTENTION EVEN I HAVE m i have it in my heart n in my brain , i know what i am about to do , so i dont get up for praying three witr n end up praying 4 coz some where in the middle i changed my mind n thought i would pray pray 4 rakats of some missed ishaa or something
BUT ITS NOT DOING THE NIYAH , ITS ABOUT HAVING THE NIYAH
Now how many times do u make niyyah well
i make niyyah of eating two chapatis ( rotis) n chicken curry facing the kitchen next to my hubby?!
No its insiDe u its in ur heat lol that is probably the worst example i have ever made up though lol
salams
Last edited by brotherubaid; 04-12-2010 at 08:28 PM.
brother there is absolutely nothing wrong in making intention. the scholars says its okay so if the scholars say its okay then that is enough for me and enough for other muslims to know subhanAllah why do we constantly argue and critisize over what good others do.
now it dose not mean if a person sits down to read holy Quran every night and he makes intention to Allah i am now going to read your beautiful words so you will tell him no you should not do that because there is no evidence of sahaba doing that. do you know how silly that sounds? so im just giving you example.
Allah loves being praised and second Allah loves when we take even a second to do something extra before our salah and intention is a nice thing. it shows that we want to make our salah perfect from start to finish and not be lazy and just jump in to it when our minds could be somewhere else
well some scholars say its okay , some say its not , so will we just go fatwa shopping to choose the fatwa we like , or is it that we will take from the scholar whome we follwo or love or will we take it from the one who has the evidence from quran n sunnah ?
any way this is the end of it. n i DO NOT KNOW any one who makes intention of reading quran before he does , or make intention of making zikr before he makes zikr , that example is not even in practice , while making the intention of namaz is wide spread.
When was the last time u sat down n went like this.
I intend to read two pages of quran sitting on my carpet , facing the qiblah bismilah ih rahman ar raheem .....
NEVER! no one does it , n makes absolutely no sense , rather when one wakes up in the middle of the night and makes wudu n before he prays he decides in his heart that he will read some quran first , its something in his heart n the intention in his heart makes him take the quran out n open it n read it n so on n so on .
any way , the truth is clear n evident , and please forgive , it seems that the ummah is ab****ely not wiling to listen to advise nor willing to cme back to the sunnah and not willing to leave the bidah , coz we are so stuck.
may Allah save us
Who said ?. SE Asia Ulama teach ummah to say niyyah, but they do not teach to say loudly. Ummah can whisper that niyyah or say it in the heart.format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
There are some little differences in fiq'h between Shafi'iyah, Malikiyah, Hanafiyah and Hanabilah.For example, you will say 2 rakah namaz fajr, namaz time fajr, facing qibla, allahu akbar.
Please respect to the differences, brother.This is not correct. There is no such thing in Islam. Only time one can make the intention out loud is during hajj.
Last edited by ardianto; 04-13-2010 at 03:45 AM. Reason: prevent a misunderstanding
BrotherUbaid, when scholars differ on a matter, they differ because they have evidence on both sides. We are not the ones who can judge who is right and who is wrong. It's not right for us to say they don't have evidence from the Quran and Sunnah. Please read this thread.
Having the intention while starting the Salah is very important. That is because, we come to the Masjid from our worldly business and our minds are wandering. We come and join the prayer without even thinking where we are standing. We are standing in front of Rabbul 'Aalameen, Lord of the worlds. We must have our thoughts completely focussed on the prayer. Saying the intention silently helps achieve this. Our thoughts get focussed on the prayer and where we are standing and how great an action we are going to carry out.
Intention plays a very important role. Just by the difference of intention, the reward for an action changes. The Sunnah of Fajr and the Fardh of Fajr, both are exactly same in appearance. It's only the intention that changes the reward from that of the Sunnah prayer to that of the Fardh prayer. Then what is the condition of those who just come and join the prayer with their minds wandering around and say Allahu Akbar? (PS: I am not saying this particularly to anyone here. Just a general situation of most Muslims. I hope none amongst us here falls under this category.)
Last edited by AabiruSabeel; 04-13-2010 at 05:36 AM.
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