I think we should remember that originaly the Bible was the word of God. It is the translations and revisions that are not the word of God. So what we know today as the Bible is not the Bible.
The TRUEBible is the word of God, but, it no longer exists or has been hidden.
My opinion here Astraghfillahu , I beleive we should still treat todays Bible with some respect as in spite of the errors, it still retains some truths in it.
that is true, but why? The Quran has all the missing error and even has better naswers. We dont need to fix the bible, we got the Quran.
That is true. But, it was not God who changed the Bible, it was man. I just feel we should show it respect(not belief) to affirm that we recognise God's Love for us and to acknowledge that he has always given us the tools to stay on the right path.
By respect I mean we should not go out and blindly attack a Bible and call it full of lies etc. Some of the words in it are still true, so we must be carefull not to be disgracefull to what is true in it.
If a close friend of yours gave you a beautiful gift, but before you got to see it an enemy defaced it, would you not still appreciate the thought of the friend?
Why would they hide such a sacred text? And where is it hidden? Who hid it?
salam.
well no ONE has hid it i just want to say as being a revert the bible still exsists muslims think the bible has errors and has been changed whereas on one occasion the christians believe the bible still exsist and god has NOT wrote it, it was written by Mathew, Mark, Luke and John who are the four gospels, now muslims know the koran is correct and has got no errors whereas the christains believe the koran has got errors but therefore we have no doubt it has and also it has been not hidden i will ''repeat not hidden'', so the bible has not been hidden and nor it's word of god.
If the Bible has so many contradictions and errors, how can it be the word of God?
The word of God is fine. It's the hand of men that cause problems. They either lose it and go off on passionate rants or they become prey to their own agendas and pollute the purity found in the words of their fathers with poetic flights of fancy.
I'm looking at the so-called English translation of Issaiah and have to ask... who translated a meadow saffron to mean... Rose? Why? I almost fell off my chair when I saw that, lol. But words like this shed light since from this one, I know when the Book of Issaiah was actually written.
Which leads me back to my point. You can lie to other men and to small children... but you can't lie to God. It all comes out in the wash eventually.
Ninth Scribe
Last edited by Ninth_Scribe; 05-24-2006 at 04:43 PM.
That is the very point I was trying to get across in my round about way. If the Bible does still exist in it's true form, Where is it?
salam.
now lets be abit civil here cause they are christians on this forum i know muslim's do NOT agree with the ''bible'' nor do christains believe of the koran but christains believe there is NO bible that is hidden nor is alie whereas muslims believe the bible is false and nor here, but therefore what christains read the ''bible'' is still here it is NOT hidden!
w.salam
salam.
now lets be abit civil here cause they are christians on this forum i know muslim's do NOT agree with the ''bible'' nor do christains believe of the koran but christains believe there is NO bible that is hidden nor is alie whereas muslims believe the bible is false and nor here, but therefore what christains read the ''bible'' is still here it is NOT hidden!
w.salam
Very excellent point. I do have to agree that Christians have many very good reasons to belive that what they read is the Truth. I should not state why I think it is in error. It is best for me to just say that I have found sufficient proof to satisfy myself that the Qur'an is True. Christians have an equal right to say they have sufficient proof to say the Bible is True.
Very excellent point. I do have to agree that Christians have many very good reasons to belive that what they read is the Truth. I should not state why I think it is in error. It is best for me to just say that I have found sufficient proof to satisfy myself that the Qur'an is True. Christians have an equal right to say they have sufficient proof to say the Bible is True.
salam.
true bro. although on me behalf i am a revet now for me there are different kind of bibles because the Catholics don't believe as Christains also so people don't believe in Nature. Now for clarification and to some this up the there are different kind of bibles and also the bible was written by four Gospels and also the word's are writen are by people and mistakes happen.
i hoe you understand what i mean and also halusination of this
god bless
It is best for me to just say that I have found sufficient proof to satisfy myself that the Qur'an is True.
In both the Quar’an and the Bible it says that God chooses whom he wills, yet it seems strange that you have been chosen to follow Islam and I seem to have been chosen to follow Christianity.
In both the Quar’an and the Bible it says that God chooses whom he wills, yet it seems strange that you have been chosen to follow Islam and I seem to have been chosen to follow Christianity.
God’s plan does not seem very clear.
I'm afraid I don't see the connection here between free will and the clarity of God's plan.
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Surely I was sent to perfect the qualities of righteous character" [Musnad Ahmad, Muwatta Mâlik]
In both the Quar’an and the Bible it says that God chooses whom he wills, yet it seems strange that you have been chosen to follow Islam and I seem to have been chosen to follow Christianity.
God’s plan does not seem very clear.
In the spirit of searching for truth
Eric
Salaamu (Peace) Eric,
Probably not as strange as it seems. I can not call another person's beliefs true or false. It is of importance to me that I find truth in my own beliefs, which I found as a Muslim.
This will be difficult for you to understand. But, I was born Christian, was considered a very devout Christian and deeply Loved Jesus(pbuh), which I still do. As a Christian I met Jesus(pbuh), but when I reverted to Islam I got to know Jesus(pbuh).
I'm afraid I don't see the connection here between free will and the clarity of God's plan.
The clarity of God’s plan may seem very clear to you through Islam, it may seem very clear to me through one branch of Christianity, It may seem very clear to a Hindu, etc.
We each believe we have the truth, but what is God’s plan for each one of us, can we each achieve salvation?
Somehow it seems that we are each part of a plan laid down by God.
Probably not as strange as it seems. I can not call another person's beliefs true or false. It is of importance to me that I find truth in my own beliefs, which I found as a Muslim.
This will be difficult for you to understand. But, I was born Christian, was considered a very devout Christian and deeply Loved Jesus(pbuh), which I still do. As a Christian I met Jesus(pbuh), but when I reverted to Islam I got to know Jesus(pbuh).
Salam, thats great MashAllah, I think the more devout Christians will want to dig for the true message of Jesus (PBUH) behind all those different versions of the Bible.
Wassalam.
"Were they created by nothing, or were they themselves the creators?
Or did they create the heavens and the earth?
Nay, they have no firm belief.”
[Holy Qur'an: 52:35-36]
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