hey peeps, i knew this uy he is nice and does everything obligated in islam and even more i think
but thats not it he is very nice but everytime he told me that everytime he prays SHaitan or something widpers thing abou our deen that could make him a kafur he does not know what to do hew tries to fight these thoughts as much as posiblle that even when he prays he forgets to say it corectly because he is so caught up in his fight! is he still muslim or not???
ffended: i hope he stil is because he is VERY nice and Allah ....Allah is oft forgiving ffended:
A man once came to Rasululllah peace be upon him and complained to him that the Shaytaan whispers to him In Salaat. Rasulullah then asked the other Companions "do you find this also?" So they said "Yes O Rasulullah" So Rasulullah said "Verily this is a sign of Imaan"
And A Sahabi once came to Ibn Abbas (if I'm not mistaken he is the one) and said to him "Ya Ibn Abbas, verily the Jews claim that their worship is better than ours, since the Shaitaan does not whisper to them in their prayer" So Ibn Abbas replied "And why would the Shaitaan want to wreak havoc in a destructed heart?"
Because the Shaytaan will not want to go and bother the person who is already firmly rooted in his disbeleif, rather he wants to go and bother and whisper to the person who has Iman in his heart. And Rasulullah already clearly stated that this is a sign that a man possesses Iman Insha'allah.
Ask your friend to do as how we were ordered to do in Salaat if we feel that Shaytaan is bothering us : lightly spit three times to the left of our shoulder whilst saying A'udhubillah min ash Shaitaan ar rajeem.
Insha'allah this is just a test for your friend and make sure he understands this also. Tell him to read lots of Qur'an and do acts which strengthen the Iman.
I don't want to interrupt the flow of this thread or dostract from Dawud's question, but when does somebody stop being a Muslim then? (Other than the obvious, i.e. when s/he apostates)
Thanks.
Peace glo
Here I stand.
I can do no other.
May God help me.
Amen.
Come, let us worship and bow down •
and kneel before the Lord our Maker
[Psalm 95]
I don't think his Islam would be affected. Advise him to ignore the thoughts, and not to worry about them. Shaitaan always tries to distract during Salaat cos it's time when people are trying to connect to Allah. Here's a close translation of last ayaat of sura A'raaf....
200. And if an evil whisper comes to you from Shaitân (Satan) then seek refuge with Allâh. Verily, He is All-Hearer, All-Knower.
201. Verily, those who are Al-Muttaqûn (the pious - see V.2:2), when an evil thought comes to them from Shaitân (Satan), they remember (Allâh), and (indeed) they then see (aright).
202. But (as for) their brothers (the devils) they (i.e. the devils) plunge them deeper into error, and they never stop short.
203. And if you do not bring them a miracle [according to their (i.e. Quraish-pagans') proposal], they say: "Why have you not brought it?" Say: "I but follow what is revealed to me from my Lord. This (the Qur'ân) is nothing but evidences from your Lord, and a guidance and a mercy for a people who believe."
204. So, when the Qur'ân is recited, listen to it, and be silent that you may receive mercy. [i.e. during the compulsory congregational prayers when the Imâm (of a mosque) is leading the prayer (except Sûrat Al-Fâtiha), and also when he is delivering the Friday-prayer Khutbah]. [Tafsir At-Tabari, Vol.9, Pages 162-4]
205. And remember your Lord by your tongue and within yourself, humbly and with fear without loudness in words in the mornings, and in the afternoons and be not of those who are neglectful.
206. Surely, those who are with your Lord (angels) are never too proud to perform acts of worship to Him, but they glorify His Praise and prostrate before Him. (Ayat for Sajdah)
I don't want to interrupt the flow of this thread or dostract from Dawud's question, but when does somebody stop being a Muslim then? (Other than the obvious, i.e. when s/he apostates)
Thanks.
106. Whoever disbelieved in Allâh after his belief, except him who is forced thereto and whose heart is at rest with Faith but such as open their breasts to disbelief, on them is wrath from Allâh, and theirs will be a great torment.
Sura Nahl
When one accepts disbelief with all his heart...he's no longer a muslim.
This may be a purely Christian perspective, and not very helpful to the discussion, but I'll give it a shot anyway:
People who are 'lukewarm' in their faith and don't take it very seriously often don't have a sense of Statan's presence in their lives.
In contrast, when somebody pushes forward in their faith, get closer to God or seek him more earnestly, Satan will try to interfere and distract that person all the harder! People may then feel tormented by doubt, questions and temptations.
So, if this guy is 'worthy' of Satan's attention, it may be that his walk with God is strong! He just needs to keep walking in his faith and push through ... until Satan realises that he cannot win!
peace.
Peace glo
Here I stand.
I can do no other.
May God help me.
Amen.
Come, let us worship and bow down •
and kneel before the Lord our Maker
[Psalm 95]
106. Whoever disbelieved in Allâh after his belief, except him who is forced thereto and whose heart is at rest with Faith but such as open their breasts to disbelief, on them is wrath from Allâh, and theirs will be a great torment.
Sura Nahl
When one accepts disbelief with all his heart...he's no longer a muslim.
Peace
P.S. this isn't about dawood's question
Thanks, Sohrab
So the crucial question is not whether somebody is feeling doubt and questions - but whether s/he is giving into those feelings? Would you agree?
Peace.
Peace glo
Here I stand.
I can do no other.
May God help me.
Amen.
Come, let us worship and bow down •
and kneel before the Lord our Maker
[Psalm 95]
That is in fact true. The more iman you have the more shaytaan tries to lure you away. But if you have committed kufr or shirk....... i don't know what's going on!:'(
This may be a purely Christian perspective, and not very helpful to the discussion, but I'll give it a shot anyway:
People who are 'lukewarm' in their faith and don't take it very seriously often don't have a sense of Statan's presence in their lives.
In contrast, when somebody pushes forward in their faith, get closer to God or seek him more earnestly, Satan will try to interfere and distract that person all the harder! People may then feel tormented by doubt, questions and temptations.
So, if this guy is 'worthy' of Satan's attention, it may be that his walk with God is strong! He just needs to keep walking in his faith and push through ... until Satan realises that he cannot win!
peace.
We Beleive the same in Islam glo I quoted some hadeeth in my post to show for this.
That is in fact true. The more iman you have the more shaytaan tries to lure you away. But if you have committed kufr or shirk....... i don't know what's going on!:'(
What's 'kufr', Umm-Shaheed?
Peace glo
Here I stand.
I can do no other.
May God help me.
Amen.
Come, let us worship and bow down •
and kneel before the Lord our Maker
[Psalm 95]
SubhanAllah , so this could mean that this guy has a strong imaan huh?
WOW! and to think him being so close to me!
Alhamdulilahi rabi al alamein
[QUOTE]Ask your friend to do as how we were ordered to do in Salaat if we feel that Shaytaan is bothering us : lightly spit three times to the left of our shoulder whilst saying A'udhubillah min ash Shaitaan ar rajeem.[QUOTE]
are we supposed to tdo that during salah or after finishing it?
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ffended: i hope he stil is because he is VERY nice and Allah ....Allah is oft forgiving
He just needs to keep walking in his faith and push through ... until Satan realises that he cannot win!
.... i don't know what's going on!:'(
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