I didn't click the link you provided, but what do you want to know about specifically?
For your topic question, the answer is no, Islam is not sexist.
Islam Is Sexist?
I know, controversey blah blah blah, offensive blah blah blah.
I'll just have you know that I am a Muslim (female) and I was slightly offended as well...and I would like to know, because I can't just keep this in the back of my head, nagging and nagging at me untill I explode...is all of this:
25. No un-Islamic, anti-Islamic or inauthenthic URLS in posts, profiles, PMs or signatures
True?
Or...just "hype" and lies?
The article states that "These teachings come from both the Qur'an and the Hadith."
Is this true?
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I didn't click the link you provided, but what do you want to know about specifically?
For your topic question, the answer is no, Islam is not sexist.
Verily, for all men and women who have surrendered themselves unto God, and all believing men and believing women, and all truly devout men and truly devout women, and all men and women who are true to their word, and all men and women who are true to their word, and all men and women who are patient in adversity, and all men and women who humble themselves [before God], and all men and women who give in charity, and all self-denying men and self-denying women, and all men and women who are mindful of their chastity, and all men and women who remember God unceasingly, for [all of] them has God readied forgiveness of sins and a mighty reward. (33:35)
O Humankind! Be conscious of your Sustainer, who has created humanity out of one living entity, and out of it created its mate, and out of the two spread abroad a multitude of men and women. And remain conscious of God, in whose name you demand [your rights] from one another, and [reverence] the wombs [that bore you]. Verily, God is ever watchful over you! (4:1)
Hence do not covet the bounties which Allah has bestowed more abundantly on some of you than on others. Men shall have a benefit from what they earn, and women shall have a benefit from what they earn. Ask, therefore, Allah (to give you) out of His Bounty: behold, Allah has indeed full knowledge of everything. (4:32)
salamaformat_quote Originally Posted by Les_Nubian
chk out articles from here
http://www.load-islam.com/family_soc...hp?topic_id=14
i like you am a female muslim but dont find islam sexist at all. why do you think so sis ?
If you all would view the website, you would know exactly what I'm talking about, and how this guy outlines with proof from the Qur'an and Hadith how Islam sees women as inferior religiously, morally, and intellectually.format_quote Originally Posted by amani
i like you am a female muslim but dont find islam sexist at all. why do you think so sis ?
It's not like I'm trying to bash Islam, I'm a MUSLIM for goodness sake, people! I just want to know the TRUTH! Is that so wrong? Is the truth filtered out here at islamicboard.com? If so, I guess I should go elsewhere for my answers, or people's genuine points of views.format_quote Originally Posted by Les_Nubian
format_quote Originally Posted by Les_NubianIf you all would view the website, you would know exactly what I'm talking about, and how this guy outlines with proof from the Qur'an and Hadith how Islam sees women as inferior religiously, morally, and intellectually.
if the site is anti islamice then it would all be blown totally out of proportion. not post the site but if you have any personal queries fee lfree to ask
But I'm saying this guy says these verses that see women as inferior are found in the Qur'an, and Hadith, and I looked some of them up and he's right! (I never finished reading the entirety of the Qur'an, I'm a slow reader :P )format_quote Originally Posted by amani
if the site is anti islamice then it would all be blown totally out of proportion. not post the site but if you have any personal queries fee lfree to ask
Les there are many sites that are un Islamic. As a revert, try to stick with real Muslims and sites/forums like these to help stir you straight, and always ask for proove from Qur'an and Ahadith when something is not clear. The best thing is to link up with a good Imam, Sheikh, Scholar or Ulema.
Some good ones with on line sources are:
Hamza Yusef
Tijane Cisse
Zaid Shakir
etc.
Perhaps you can be your own best authority on this subject. As a Muslimah, have you been treated inferior by any Muslims? What examples of sexism have you personaly experienced as a Muslim? I believe that any Muslimah you meet and speak to you will tell you that they have not expeienced it either.format_quote Originally Posted by Les_Nubian
Now in regards to web sites. We must be cautious when viewing web sites. The majority of the ones that come up in searches are often non-trust worthy. Some are by well intentioned people but with little true knowledge. Some are blatant lies, done to make Islam look bad. Some are Valid quotes, taken out of context and shown with something that makes them appear to be what they are not.
It is best to have a fair amount of knowledge about Islam, before trying to find the truth searching on your own. The best way to begin searching for info, is to ask Muslims you know either in person, or on forums to recommend sites.
Les_Nubian,
You have previously asked questions on the forum, and you recieved answers which you found very helpful and said that they aided your understanding. We had a very efficient process going - why would you want to change that? If you desired to have some misunderstandings removed on the status of women in Islam, why would you not ask questions yourself in a respectful manner as you did before? Why would you suddenly decide to paste a link to a website which misquotes, mistranslates, distorts and slanders Islam and Muslims? If there are some Islamic quotes relating to women's status that you would like clarified then ask about them one by one. It is totally inconsiderate to simply post a list of allegations and lies and the demand others to go through them all at once and refute them.
I will begin by repasting something I wrote before on the forum to clarify your doubts as to the lofty status of women in Islam. Then if you have any misunderstandings we can go through them one by and one and discuss each individual allegation. That is a much more sincere approach and far more loyal to the truth.
Now if you have any questions about a particular issue, feel free to ask and we will answer inshaa'Allah.format_quote Originally Posted by Ansar Al-'Adl
How does he misquote? I have a Qur'an, and I looked some of the stuff up myself. It's there.format_quote Originally Posted by Ansar Al-'Adl
You have previously asked questions on the forum, and you recieved answers which you found very helpful and said that they aided your understanding. We had a very efficient process going - why would you want to change that? If you desired to have some misunderstandings removed on the status of women in Islam, why would you not ask questions yourself in a respectful manner as you did before? Why would you suddenly decide to paste a link to a website which misquotes, mistranslates, distorts and slanders Islam and Muslims? If there are some Islamic quotes relating to women's status that you would like clarified then ask about them one by one. It is totally inconsiderate to simply post a list of allegations and lies and the demand others to go through them all at once and refute them.
I will begin by repasting something I wrote before on the forum to clarify your doubts as to the lofty status of women in Islam. Then if you have any misunderstandings we can go through them one by and one and discuss each individual allegation. That is a much more sincere approach and far more loyal to the truth.
Now if you have any questions about a particular issue, feel free to ask and we will answer inshaa'Allah.
That is what i've got to say.format_quote Originally Posted by M.B
ISLAM IS NOT SEXIST OK, END OF IT THAT IS THE TRUTH .WHY ARE PEOPLE ASKING STUPID QUESTION IF U ALL READY KNOW THE TRUTH PEOPLE HAVE SAID IT BEFORE IT SAY SO MANY TIMES PEOPLE WROTE 'ISLAM IS NOT SEXIST.
:W:
Give me one quote that you have difficulty understanding and think that it is sexist and I will explain it. It is very strange that you are so comfortable accepting the allegations of others against your religion after performing only a cursory search in an english translation!format_quote Originally Posted by Les_Nubian
i was thinking the same. Reading out of context is one of the main causes of confusion, you should always read in context ie, the event/reason to why that ayah was revealed etc. Also i've seen too much proof that both men and women are equal and infact theres one part where the blame for Adam and Eve gettin sent out of the Garden is leaned more at Adam then Eve. Did you know that?format_quote Originally Posted by Ansar Al-'Adl
Sis i sincerely hope you find the truth inshaAllah.
PS: Zakir Naiks talk on the status of women may help you understand better.
Well, do you think the person is not going to try using "evidence" from the Quran and Hadith to make his case and just use baseless insults come on now stuff like this has been going on for a while-the misuse of Hadith and Quran
Issues in which Men and Women are treated alike or Women are treated favorably
by Shaykh Abdul Ghaffar Hasan
Translated by Khola Hasan
This chapter discusses issues, which carry little or no controversy.
1. Education
The Messenger of Allah once said: "Acquiring knowledge is compulsory for every Muslim. (At-Tabarani) This narration applies equally to men and women. "Knowledge" in this context refers primarily to knowledge of the Qur’ân and the Sunnah as no Muslim should be ignorant of his or her Faith, but it also covers other areas of general education, which can contribute to the welfare of civilization. It is precisely the ignorance about their religion among Muslims that has led to men oppressing women because they believe it is permitted, women not demanding their Godgiven rights because they are ignorant of them, and children growing up to perpetuate their parents' follies. Throughout Islamic history, men and women both earned respect as scholars and teachers of the Faith. The books of Rijal (Reporters of Hadith) contain the names of many prominent women, beginning with 'Aishah and Hafsah.
2. Worship
It has already been discussed in detail that both men and women are the slaves of Allah and have a duty to worship and obey Him. Men and women have to pray, fast, give charity, go on pilgrimage, refrain from adultery, avoid the prohibited, enjoin the good and forbid the evil, and so on. Because of women's roles as mothers, a role which does not end at a specific time but is a roundthe- clock career, they have been exempted from attending the Mosque for the five daily prayers or for Jumu 'ah (Friday) prayer. Nevertheless, if they wish to attend the Mosque, no one has the right to stop them.
3. Charitable Acts
Men and women are both encouraged to give charity, and there is nothing to stop a woman giving charity from her husband's income. 'Aishah reported that the Messenger of Allah said: "A woman will receive reward (from Allah) even when she gives charity from her husband's earnings. The husband and the treasurer (who keeps the money on the husband's behalf) will also be rewarded, without the reward of any of them decreasing." Asmâ' once said to the Prophet "O Messenger of Allah, I have nothing except what Zubair (her husband) brings home." The Prophet told her: "O Asmâ, give in charity. Don't lock it lest your subsistence is locked."
4. The Right to own Wealth and Property
A woman has the right to keep her property or wealth, whether earned or inherited, and spend it as she may please.
This right was granted to Western women only very recently, and the women of India had to wait until 1956 for a right which Muslim women have always taken for granted. Concerning the right to one's earnings, the Qur’ân says:
"And wish not for the things in which Allah has made some of you excel the others. For men there is reward for what they have earned, (and likewise) for women there is reward for what they have earned, and ask Allah of His Bounty. Surely, Allah is Ever All-Knower of everything." (V. 4:32)
5. Freedom to express One's Opinion
Few societies exist in which the ordinary citizen can confront the ruler face to face and challenge his policies. Even fewer societies allow women to be so bold, yet the Islamic ideal has always been open and accessible. This freedom of expression is aptly demonstrated by a famous incident involving 'Umar the second Rightly- Guided Caliph.
'Umar was once standing on the pulpit, severely reprimanding the people and ordering them not to set excessive amounts of dower at the time of marriage. A woman got up and shouted, "Umar You have no right to intervene in a matter which Allah the All-Mighty has already decreed in the Qur’ân:
"But if you intend to replace a wife by another and you have given one of them a Qintar (of gold, i.e., a great amount as Mahr bridal money), take not the least bit of it back; would you take it wrongfully without a right and (with) a manifest sin?" (V.4:20)
After being reminded of this Verse, 'Umar withdrew his order, saying, "I am in the wrong and she is correct."
6. Participation in Jihâd
The battlefield is a place, which frightens many men let alone women. Due to the aggressive and violent nature of war, only men have a duty to participate in Jihad (holy fighting in Allah's Cause) while women are exempted. A woman once asked the Prophet to allow women to go on Jihâd with men because of its excellence and the unlimited reward promised to Mujâhidin (Muslim fighters) in the Hereafter. The Prophet replied: "For them is a Jihâd without fighting,"which referred to the Hajj and ' Umrah. Nevertheless the Prophet did permit women to nurse the injured and supply provisions to the Mujâhidin at some battles. A woman from the tribe of Ghifâr came with a large group of women to the Prophet when he was preparing to leave for the conquest of Khaibar. She said: "O Allah's Messenger, we wish to accompany you on this journey so that we may nurse the injured and help the Muslims." The Prophet responded, "Come may Allah shower His blessings upon you." Umm 'Atiyyah an Ansâri woman, once said:
"I have participated in seven battles with the Prophet. I used to guard the camels of the Mujahidin in their absence, cook the food, treat the injured and care for the sick."
Mu'âdh bin Jabal reports that his cousin Asmâ' bint Yazid killed nine Roman soldiers with a tent-pole during the battle of Yarmuk.
7. Freedom to choose Her Husband
The guardian of the girl, whether her father, brother or uncle, plays an important role in her marriage, such as finding a suitable match for her. But under no circumstance does this allow him to force his choice on her against her wishes. She is free to accept or reject his choice, or make her own choice. A woman named Khansâ bint Khidâm once came to the Prophet and complained:
"My father has forced me to marry my cousin in order to raise his own status (in the eyes of the people)."
The Prophet told her that she was free to dissolve this marriage and choose whomever she wished to marry. She replied,
"I accept my father's choice, but my aim was to let the women know that fathers have no right to interfere in the marriage." (Ahmad, An-Nasa 'i and Ibn Mâjah)
8. A Woman's Guarantee in War is acceptable
If a woman gives surety to a war-captive or gives him shelter, her guarantee will be accepted. Umm Hâni a cousin of the Prophet, said to him after the conquest of Makkah: " I have given shelter to two of my in-laws." The Prophet said: "O Umm Hâni, we have given shelter to whom you have given shelter." According to another narrative, Umm Hâni gave shelter to a man but her cousin 'Ali tried to kill the man. She complained to the Prophet who endorsed her act of giving shelter to the man.
9. The Right to custody of Children
Divorce is especially painful and difficult when the couple have had children, and awarding custody to either party involves difficulties. According to Western law, both father and mother have to prove to the Court that they are more capable of looking after the children, and this often involves maligning the other party in order to strengthen their own claims to custody. Islamic law has its own clear decision on this issue. Custody of young boys and girls goes to the mother. The son stays with his mother until he is about seven or nine years of age, after which he is looked after by the father. The daughter remains with her mother until she gets married. The exception is when the mother herself re-marries, in which case custody may be awarded to someone else such as the girl's grandmother or aunt. This is based on the Prophet's words to the divorcee:
"Your right to custody of the child is greater as long as you do not remarry."
10. Participation in extending cooperation for the promotion of good and elimination of evil.
The Qur’ân deals with this subject in clear terms:
"The believers, men and women, are Auliyâ ' (helpers, supporters, friends, protectors) of one another; they enjoin (on the people) Al-Ma'ruf (i.e. Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam orders one to do), and forbid (people) from Al-Munkar (i.e.. polytheism and disbelief of all kinds, and all that Islam has forbidden); they perform As-Salât (Iqįmat-as-Salįt), and give the Zakât, and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah will have His Mercy on them. Surely, Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise." (V. 9:71)
Islam is not sexist, however many of our muslim brothers are. Some of our attitudes and actions of our brothers today towards women is dispicable. It reminds me of the catholics 200 yrs ago who believed women were the devils, women were inferior, women were a curse and the cause of all evil. That mentality has unfortantly seeped into some of our brother's heads, which seriously needs to be iradicated.
Obviously if these brothers bothered to practise islam, read and act upon the quran and sunnah and not their backward, oppressive cultural ideas, then we wouldnt have these problems.
I'm not "accepting the alligations of others against my religion", I'm trusting that, as Muslims claim, that the Hadith, and the words and actions of the Prophet, actually mean something. Am I wrong?format_quote Originally Posted by Ansar Al-'Adl
Here is one (Hadith found in Sahih al-Bukhari
"Allah's Apostle once said to a group of women : 'I have not seen any one more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious, sensible man could be led astray by some of you.' The women asked: 'O Allah's Apostle, what is deficient in our intelligence and religion?' He said: 'Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?' They replied in the affirmative. He said: 'This is the deficiency of your intelligence' ... 'Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?' The women replied in the affirmative. He said: 'This is the deficiency in your religion.'"[14]
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A "Muslim Scholar", Dr. Buti, states the (supposed) reason behind the wearing of Hijab:
"Allah, the most high, decreed that the woman should be veiled. He did so in protecting the chastity of the men who might see her, and not in protection of the chastity of the woman from the eyes of those who look at her."[32]
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Now this one I DON'T understand where this "Razi" person is getting this from. I think that he is greatly distorting this verse, and coming up with all of this other CRAP when it's not even there in the Qur'an! (at least not in my Qur'an).
Razi, (a "commentator", commenting on Q. 4:11, said:
"(The males share is that of two females). Man is more perfect than the woman in creation, and intelligence, and in the religious sphere, such as the suitability to be a judge, and a leader in worship. Also, the testimony of the man is twice that of the woman. So that whoever is given great responsibilities must be given correspondingly great privileges. As the woman is deficient in intelligence and of great lust, if she is given much money, much corruption will be the result. "[9]
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Then the author goes on to claim:
The above material, in the first place, is not the personal opinion of some individuals, but it represents the will of Allah as expressed in the teachings of Qur'an and the Hadith. What the Qur'an teaches in black and white, the Hadith teaches in colour. The Hadith quoted in this booklet is consistent with the spirit of Islam and the teachings of the Qur'an
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I think that they greatly distort most of the verses in the Qur'an, but what about the Hadith?
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