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    Okay... This is going to be a long post but I've come here just to hear what you all think because I need advice. PLEASE read if you can.

    I'm a 16 year old girl, and have been brought up in a muslim family. My family isn't what you would call 'very strict', but muslims all the same.

    I just need help because lately... I've seemed to have lost hope and belief in religion - not Allah, because I still very strongly believe in him, but religion itself. Does that make any sense?
    I just want to know if I'm not the only one and I don't know who to ask. I guess I'm a bit upset because I'm not getting any answers or 'signs' from Allah himself.

    To me, there is no COMPLETE perfect religion (don't hate me!) because.. how do we know everything we're told from one book is true? It was written hundreds of years ago at a time when governments needed to control people - religion is the easiest way. And today still, you see people give up their lives for it. To me, religion destroys more people than it brings together. I'm not just talking about Islam, but every religion.

    February this year, I met a boy at a concert I went to. I go to concerts all the time and I meet and become friends with loads of people - so I wasn't expecting anything. Anyway, we exchanged numbers and just got talking later on that night. A few weeks later we both knew we liked each other a lot. We met up again at another concert (we both belong to a record label's street team, that's why we got talking) and yes I did kiss him.
    Anyway, we met up again a couple of weeks later, and at the end of May I decided to stay round at his house. You might think I'm crazy and that was a very bad move - my friends also told me not to go as I was only 15 and he was 18. But he took good care of me and his parents took me out for dinner and I got to know his family. My parents of course didn't know I was staying at his house, I told them I was staying at my friend's. Whatever you might say to me now, I do not regret that night. It was also the first time he told me he loved me :-)
    Our relationship has developed over time, (and it is a sexual relationship before you ask) and we are perfectly in love with each other. I do actually intend to stay with him for a long time. He is also an atheist.

    I know everything I've done is so wrong in Islam.. but am I really a bad person? I'm always nice to everybody, and the only thing I regret is not being able to tell my family. This is not my fault but it does upset me that they will never understand - he is the best thing that ever happened to me. One of my sisters, however, does know and I can tell her anything.

    Is love really a sin in islam if you are not married? Because I personally cannot find a single thing wrong with it. He makes me so happy and I don't understand why this is wrong.

    My instincts always tell me it is so much more important to be a good person than say, praying five times a day. Allah KNOWS I am grateful and loving for everything He has given me, is this really necassary?

    Another thing I don't understand - is why the nicest person in the world, who is so loving and giving, cares for everybody and does so much good - will never enter paradise because they do not believe in Allah. Then you get somebodty the same but even less caring or loving, but because they pray 5 times a day, read the quaran ect, they will enter heaven.
    I don't see how this is fair?

    Please help me... I am so confused. :-(
    I get so so scared about what will happen to me when I die - is Allah happy with who I am or am I a bad person? I tihnk about this everyday and it upsets me so much. I try my best to be a good person, but according to Islam I am the worst. I just don't see how.

    Does anybody feel the same about certain things as I do?
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    Who's help do you want?

    Someone who tells you what you could do, or someone who tells you what you should do?

    The only advice I can give you this moment is that whomever you ask for advice will have a bias, and you need to understand that before you ask for advice.

    If it helps I have a thread with my own issue. The only thing I can tell you is that I've been through it too, except that I faced depression and an aversion to close relationships.

    If you want my advice let me know.
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    Re: Confused About Religion.. I Need Help Desperately!

    format_quote Originally Posted by Noor_ View Post
    My instincts always tell me it is so much more important to be a good person than say, praying five times a day. Allah KNOWS I am grateful and loving for everything He has given me, is this really necassary?


    Sister I am not the best person to reply to your troubles, but I have only this one thing to say.

    If you are grateful to Allah, and you love Allah, then shouldn't you want to obey Allah and love what Allah loves and hate what Allah hates?
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    Re: Confused About Religion.. I Need Help Desperately!

    Love is an emotion..emotions aren't sins, they are innate, unconditioned and spontaneous.
    Now I imagine as I was a teenager once and I am not sure how old you are? but just having gone through that process I can say without a doubt that eomotions evolve over time..they take depth, sophistication more ingenuity and hope more richness, fullness, chagrin they can be threatening, forbidding and down right tragic.
    I can't now deem some of the fetishes,crushes I had when I was 13 or 14 as love by the current definition of emotions, and knowing what love entails.

    Love isn't just a happy sensation or a warm gooey feeling..that is deceptively simple... It is also built on sacrifice... there is something currently that is more important to you than being with your beloved? I can tell because then you wouldn't be writing here trying to justify your situation to yourself?.. You know deep down inside you don't need anyone's approval when you can carry on like this privately..you probably just want to hear your thoughts out loud...you probably want to know that what you are feeling is human...you probably want find a way that you can keep it going the way it is without great sacrifice... but I tell you again, that isn't what love is...

    love means you take all of it the good and bad of it the whole package.. it means you can drop everything for when this emotions over powers and takes us we don't choose it, it chooses us.. it means you bring this fellow home to your parents and say he is the one I want to spend the rest of my life with..

    Anything less than that final culmination, isn't love!...It is something much less and more sinister that appears to confuse and cause you to question what should be very obvious... is everything in your life worth the sacrifice for a kiss you have stolen? Your family, your religion, your integrity, your womanhood?
    If you can bring this gentleman home to your parents, I can't imagine a better expression of your love.... if not then a very wise brother from this forum taught me something magnificent and just today...called Hosper's theory "The ability to enjoy an object for its own intrinsic value without any desire to own or possess it." because acting on that emotion in the way you are is encroaching upon greater sin..



    addendum...it appears I have skipped over a couple of parts of your post that are a complete disappointment...
    La 7wala wla qiwta ila billah..
    May Allah guide you.. I don't think anyone can answer these questions for you...it is between you and Allah

    is prayer necessry? I say prayer from a low common denominator 'tanhi 3an ilfa7sha'a wal'monkar'! So from where I am standing it is your only bond and the deciding ritual that separates a muslim from a kaffir..
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    Re: Confused About Religion.. I Need Help Desperately!

    format_quote Originally Posted by Noor_ View Post
    Okay... This is going to be a long post but I've come here just to hear what you all think because I need advice. PLEASE read if you can.

    I'm a 16 year old girl, and have been brought up in a muslim family. My family isn't what you would call 'very strict', but muslims all the same.
    Peace to you,

    I'll try my best to give you some answers, but I'm no learned or a scholar or an Imam. I'd actually say you'd have to talk with a learned one... But don't know how possible that is for you, maybe you're even scared. OK, let's try this...

    I just need help because lately... I've seemed to have lost hope and belief in religion - not Allah, because I still very strongly believe in him, but religion itself. Does that make any sense?
    I just want to know if I'm not the only one and I don't know who to ask. I guess I'm a bit upset because I'm not getting any answers or 'signs' from Allah himself.
    Forward in my post I kinda answered this, or mainly gave my opinion.

    To me, there is no COMPLETE perfect religion (don't hate me!) because.. how do we know everything we're told from one book is true? It was written hundreds of years ago at a time when governments needed to control people - religion is the easiest way. And today still, you see people give up their lives for it. To me, religion destroys more people than it brings together. I'm not just talking about Islam, but every religion.
    Governments don't feel the need to control the people now, huh? That's another story... And it has nothing to do with Islam.

    People always give all they have for their beliefs, it has been so for centuries. Not just religion, that would be such an ignorant statement. Also for systems, and laws and emotions... The list is long. To me, people destroy more than anything else. You'd have the most perfect law at hand, imagine the moost perfect law ever, still there are those who do wrong/get misguided/interprent it wrong etc/. Not just any kind of people, but every people. Humans in general.

    I know everything I've done is so wrong in Islam.. but am I really a bad person? I'm always nice to everybody, and the only thing I regret is not being able to tell my family. This is not my fault but it does upset me that they will never understand - he is the best thing that ever happened to me. One of my sisters, however, does know and I can tell her anything.
    It is wrong, not because love is wrong or because happiness is wrong. It's wrong have you gained it. You did it through forbidden acts. You don't have to have regret for what you have gained... But how. I can see you feel bad for doing bad things.. I assume you feel it in your inner this is wrong, yet right at the same time. Love is right, but how it is done there are many ways.. Are you ready to marry him? Is he ready to marry you? We all want proof from the one we love, that they will never leave you etc etc And marriage is this proof. And not just proof to you, but proof to Allah too.

    Is love really a sin in islam if you are not married? Because I personally cannot find a single thing wrong with it. He makes me so happy and I don't understand why this is wrong.
    Love before marriage happens. It is not haram. But what you do with this love, is a whole other thing. You can love somebody deeply, but don't have to go into a sexual relationship. No body can say it's impossible, people have lived through this.

    My instincts always tell me it is so much more important to be a good person than say, praying five times a day. Allah KNOWS I am grateful and loving for everything He has given me, is this really necassary?
    You know, let's take it this way. I know my mother loves me, I KNOW it. But isn't it much greater and better if she comes and TELLS me that too? You can imagine this example with this guy you love, admit it, it feels great to know somebody loves you and even better when they tell you that. And to talk to Allah, that as possible through prayers. Imagine what you'd do if he stops telling you 'I love you' and stops showing affection etc. This is what you are doing to your belief in Allah. You are saying 'He knows, he knows' and still demand and are in need that Allah shows you His love by giving you signs, help... Still you do no deeds, sacrifice nothing to show you are worth it. Isn't that a bit selfish? Yes, of course. Human nature.

    But there is reward for the one who admits Allah is greater than oneself, than anyone and anything, and that's when you realize, by obeying Allah and making Him happy, you are by that doing a 'good selfish' act, mainly wanting for yourself a good position in the eyes of God. Do I make sense to you?


    Another thing I don't understand - is why the nicest person in the world, who is so loving and giving, cares for everybody and does so much good - will never enter paradise because they do not believe in Allah. Then you get somebodty the same but even less caring or loving, but because they pray 5 times a day, read the quaran ect, they will enter heaven.
    I don't see how this is fair?
    Everybody gets the verdict they deserve, God is the best of Judges, He knows best what's in people's hearts and what their intentions are, what they have done and why, what they believed and how much...

    I cannot, and I doubt many more can tell you exactly what the persons will go through, what their punishment and rewards are!!

    Please help me... I am so confused. :-(
    I get so so scared about what will happen to me when I die - is Allah happy with who I am or am I a bad person? I tihnk about this everyday and it upsets me so much. I try my best to be a good person, but according to Islam I am the worst. I just don't see how.
    You are so concentrated in being a bad or good person... Have you heard the saying, actions speak louder than words? I bet you have. And this is important: If you love something or somebody, you do whatever you can to make them happy.
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    Re: Confused About Religion.. I Need Help Desperately!

    i cannot answer your religious questions for obvious reasons. but reading your post, i do have a couple of thoughts.
    format_quote Originally Posted by Noor_ View Post
    To me, religion destroys more people than it brings together. I'm not just talking about Islam, but every religion.

    i used to think this too. but no, it is not religion. it is people who destroy people. if they don't do it on the basis of religion, they will do it on the basis of race or some other division they have created.

    Anyway, we met up again a couple of weeks later, and at the end of May I decided to stay round at his house. You might think I'm crazy and that was a very bad move - my friends also told me not to go as I was only 15 and he was 18. But he took good care of me and his parents took me out for dinner and I got to know his family. My parents of course didn't know I was s
    taying at his house, I told them I was staying at my friend's.
    now this i don't get at all. why would his parents let him sleep with a 15 year old???? what kind of a family does he come from?! something is very wrong with this picture!
    i think you are trying to rationalize something that you know in your heart is wrong.
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    Sister One thing which i feel is that alot of people get confused with this frame of mind that because they are good to others and love Allah or God, so why they will be sent to hell
    Now the first think loving is something else and obeying with love is something else in my opinion i think u would have heard about the Iblees(Devil) He was a jin who loved Allah so much that not any body else would have loved Allah that much but again loving is not what Allah wants He wants to see you Obeying him at any moment or at any cost (even givingup your ego or your life) That is the reason why Iblees(Devil) was thrown out of Heaven and on the Day of Judgment he will be sent to Hell
    Why simply because he disobeyed Allah
    if u read different Prophets stories u will come to know that loving or being Good to others is not enough
    Being Obedient is what Allah wants from us
    Prophet Ibrahim (peace be upon him) is called "Kahlil ul Allah"
    He gave up his parents for Allah
    He was ready to gave up his own life and went into the fire just for Allah
    He left his home country on Allah's will
    He sacrificed his son on Allah's will (giving up his beloved son)
    so keeping Allah above All in ur life is what Allah wants

    Now a different point
    sister when u get sick like headache so do u go to a dentist no because he is not knowledgeable to what u need.
    That is why Allah has defined some boundaries for our social life because he is our Lord but because Allah knows what we don't
    Nothing is hidden from him, he is the creator of us, heavens, earth, hell and every small to large thing exist in our solar system
    so He know well how to interact with them and with among ourself
    Obeying and living how Allah wants us to live then only one can get Peace that is Islam

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    Re: Confused About Religion.. I Need Help Desperately!

    This is a very detailed answer of your question.



    I just need help because lately... I've seemed to have lost hope and belief in religion - not Allah, because I still very strongly believe in him, but religion itself. Does that make any sense?
    Yeh that makes sense…

    I just want to know if I'm not the only one and I don't know who to ask. I guess I'm a bit upset because I'm not getting any answers or 'signs' from Allah himself.
    I’ve met some people like that…

    To me, there is no COMPLETE perfect religion (don't hate me!) because.. how do we know everything we're told from one book is true? It was written hundreds of years ago at a time when governments needed to control people - religion is the easiest way.
    How do we know it’s true? This bit requires faith, firstly. Only after having faith can you see the miracles in the Qur’an.

    And today still, you see people give up their lives for it. To me, religion destroys more people than it brings together. I'm not just talking about Islam, but every religion.
    How? If you think about it, back to the time of the Prophet Muhammad Sallallaahu Alaihi Wa Sallam, when he was spreading Islam, how much peace there was in the people’s hearts? The companions of the Prophet’s, other people at that time….

    February this year, I met a boy at a concert I went to. I go to concerts all the time and I meet and become friends with loads of people - so I wasn't expecting anything. Anyway, we exchanged numbers and just got talking later on that night. A few weeks later we both knew we liked each other a lot. We met up again at another concert (we both belong to a record label's street team, that's why we got talking) and yes I did kiss him.
    Ok…. You know that’s not allowed so I won’t go into that…

    Anyway, we met up again a couple of weeks later, and at the end of May I decided to stay round at his house. You might think I'm crazy and that was a very bad move - my friends also told me not to go as I was only 15 and he was 18. But he took good care of me and his parents took me out for dinner and I got to know his family. My parents of course didn't know I was staying at his house, I told them I was staying at my friend's. Whatever you might say to me now, I do not regret that night. It was also the first time he told me he loved me :-)
    Ok…think about this. You say you believe in Allaah, right? Would you do all these things if you knew Allaah was watching your every move? Think about it… because Allaah swt IS watching your every move. On top of that, you are lying to your parents?

    Our relationship has developed over time, (and it is a sexual relationship before you ask) and we are perfectly in love with each other. I do actually intend to stay with him for a long time. He is also an atheist.
    Hold on just a minute…. 1) There is no concept of staying with anyone before marriage in Islam, and you probably know that any kind of contact is forbidden before marriage… Whether that be holding hands or having sexual relations….2) He is an atheist….? He doesn’t believe in Allaah, you do, so do you honestly think things will work out?

    I know everything I've done is so wrong in Islam.. but am I really a bad person?
    I think this is a question you need to ask yourself instead of asking us. You’ve broken most of the non contact rules of Allaah swt with non mehrams….and most of all you realize you’ve done wrong.

    I'm always nice to everybody, and the only thing I regret is not being able to tell my family.
    So you don’t regret having sexual relations with that man?

    This is not my fault but it does upset me that they will never understand - he is the best thing that ever happened to me. One of my sisters, however, does know and I can tell her anything.
    You might think that he is the best thing that has happened to you, but can’t you see that by being with him you are sacrificing your religion….

    Is love really a sin in islam if you are not married? Because I personally cannot find a single thing wrong with it. He makes me so happy and I don't understand why this is wrong.
    A minute ago you said: I know everything I've done is so wrong in Islam So you know that you are going about the wrong way to be happy. A person cannot be happy, a true believer, unless he lives his life Fi Sabillillah (In the way of Allaah)

    My instincts always tell me it is so much more important to be a good person than say, praying five times a day. Allah KNOWS I am grateful and loving for everything He has given me, is this really necassary?
    Yes, Allaah knows. Allaah knows everything. But have you considered what Allaah swt has said in the Qur’an? And I have not created the Jinns and Human beings but to worship Me (Surah 51, Verse 56). Praying is necessary because at the end of the day look at this example:
    If someone did something nice for you, would you not give them a present? You would right? And that wouldn’t be just thoughts that ‘I’m grateful for what they’ve done”, you would buy them a present. Think about it – Allaah swt has created you - And this creation isn’t simple, it is SO complex, that even if one of our cells doesn’t work in the correct way, the whole system breaks down.

    Even if we prayed 50 times a day (which was the original order, before it was reduced to 5), we still wouldn’t be able to thank Allaah swt enough for what he has provided for us.

    Another thing I don't understand - is why the nicest person in the world, who is so loving and giving, cares for everybody and does so much good - will never enter paradise because they do not believe in Allah. Then you get somebody the same but even less caring or loving, but because they pray 5 times a day, read the quran ect, they will enter heaven.
    I don't see how this is fair?
    How can that person be nice when He doesn’t believe in the words of Allaah swt? When he has chosen to ignore the truth? The aim of all of us is to get into Jannah, where Allaah swt has promised everlasting pleasures for eternity…

    Example: We have to pass our GCSEs to get into college, then pass college to get into Uni, then get a Degree to get a good job, right?

    In this way, similarly, we need to follow the rules of Allaah swt to gain entrance into Jannah….and to stay in pleasure for eternity…just imagine that…SubhaanAllaah…
    When we are there, on the day of Judgement, this life will seem like a day or part of a day…. THIS LIFE IS TEMPORARY SIS…Our true home is Jannah.
    Look at what Allaah says in the Qur’an:
    And the life of this world is nothing but play and amusement. But far better is the house in the hereafter for those who are Al-Muttaqun. Will you not then understand? [Surah 6, Verse 32]

    Please help me... I am so confused. :-(
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    I get so so scared about what will happen to me when I die - is Allah happy with who I am or am I a bad person? I tihnk about this everyday and it upsets me so much. I try my best to be a good person, but according to Islam I am the worst. I just don't see how.
    You are scared, why? This might be because you know you are doing wrong, you know that Islam is correct. You being scared might be your ray of light of your Imaan, that is shining through all of this sin, and trying to tell you to turn back to Allaah swt.

    You’re not the worst sis. Turn back to Allaah swt and repent before it is too late.
    Praying in the last part of the night will be beneficial Inshaa Allaah

    [PIE] The Authority of Abu Hurayrah

    The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said: “Our Lord (glorified and exalted be He) descends each night to the earth’s sky when there remains the final third of the night, and He says: Who is saying a prayer to Me that I may answer it? Who is asking something of Me that I may give it to him? Who is asking forgiveness of Me that I may forgive him?”


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    It was related by al-Bukhari (also by Muslim, Malik, at-Tirmidhi and Abu Dawud). In a version by Muslim the Hadith ends with the words: And thus He continues till [the light of] dawn shines.[/PIE]

    Subhaan Allah, look at Allaah swt’s Mercy…..

    [PIE] The Authority of Anas

    I heard the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) say: “Allah the Almighty said: O son of Adam, so long as you call upon Me, and ask of Me, I shall forgive you for what you have done, and I shall not mind. O son of Adam, were your sins to reach the clouds of the sky and were you then to ask forgiveness of Me, I would forgive you. O son of Adam, were you to come to Me with sins nearly as great as the earth and were you then to face Me, ascribing no partner to Me, I would bring you forgiveness nearly as great at it.”


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    It was related by at-Tirmidhi (also by Ahmad ibn Hanbal). Its chain of authorities is sound. [/PIE]

    I sincerely hope sister that you turn back to Allaah swt before it is too late. You and the whole Ummah are in my dua’s, and may we all meet each other in Jannah Inshaa Allaah Taa’laa.

    Take care, and if you have anymore questions then please do not hesitate to ask.

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    I did not expect all those replies, so thank you to everyone who read through what I had written and was willing to help!

    A few answers to questions previously asked:
    - I am 16 years old. This isn't a crush - I know what love is and we both know this. I have never doubted my love for him and I know this is real.

    -I have actually told my mother about him, and I actually intend for him to meet my family - his parents want to meet mine too. My mother of course, wants me to just be friends and friends only. She took the news badly (as you would expect) but after speaking to my sister she realised that this was a hard time for me.

    -He told his parents that I was 16, that's why they didn't think anything. After asking him to tell them my real age (because I really really do hate lying) he did.

    - No, I do not regret having a sexual relationship with him.. that sounds wrong but I really don't. I would never do anything I didn't want to.

    -I am not giving up my religion for him. My faith has kept the same - and I have discussed this with him. Just because he does not believe in any religion, it doesn't mean that my faith changes.

    -Yes, I do know the things I'm doing are wrong, but deep down my heart tells me not to feel guilty because I haven't harmed anybody through this happiness.

    -Giving up someone I want to grow up with and stay together with just seems like a mistake to me. Having my own family has always been the thing I'm most looking forward to in this life - and I want to make sure it's with the right person. I don't want to carry on my life thinking 'What if..?'

    -I am scared because I don't know. I'm being told that it is wrong, but who is telling me? I have no idea whether Allah is disapointed in who I am - I can only base this from the Quaran which is obviously not Allah himself.

    -I know what is wrong and what is right, so thank you for reminding me.. I think I just need to know I'm not alone.

    Thank you for your time, I'm very grateful to all of you.
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    Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullaah

    you need to take out a second and see how what your doing is going to effect other people, you need to think about where your going and where you'll be.

    Quite frankly, you've lost yourself in fulfilling your own desires and i find it very selfish.

    let me know when your ready to seriously accept advice about reforming, right now you sound like you just want us to say "what you done is ok", not gonna happen sister, what you done is pretty bad !


    the sickest thing being having no regret or shame about what you done, may Allaah forgive you and guide you
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    I don't want you to say it's okay! I know what I've done is considered wrong

    I'm not really sure what I want here - I just need people to talk to because I've been thinking these things for a long time without anyone to talk to about it.
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    ok sis you know what would be best, if you share your MSN add wiv one of the sisters of this forum, then you can really talk about everything in detail, or we can take it one at a time, keep coming back ok ! inshaAllaah.


    ok let me take the first thing:

    I just need help because lately... I've seemed to have lost hope and belief in religion - not Allah, because I still very strongly believe in him, but religion itself. Does that make any sense?
    Ok you've thought about it and you know that logic itself dictates that everything needs an initial. We need a beginning, without a beginning theres no middle/end etc etc. So God is indeed that begin, what you find difficult to believe is that there could be religions whilst so many distortions remain.

    You see the distortions are man-made, but the religion is clearly from God, because the all preached the same thing, they all achknowledge the prophets etc. Tell me why would someone create something as complicated as lets say a car, and create no manual for it, it makes no sense. In the same way, why would God create earth and then not send someone to instruct us with a manual. In this case the instructor Is the messengers/prophets and the manual is the Quran/Injeel/Taurat/Zaboor (all the holy scriptures past and present).


    lets talk about this further, please forgive me if i ever offend yuo, but i want you to understand what we believe to be the truth, if you reject it then thats you, but the truth remains the truth always...
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    I understand what you're trying to tell and the paragraph about the beginning/middle/end is very very true.

    If anybody would like to add me on MSN, let me know.

    I'm willing to talk most of the time :-)
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    Do you consider yourself a muslim or a deist?
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    1. Always listen to advice from people you respect as competent to give it.

    2. Always feel to reject that advice if you think it's wrong. Just because people may be convinced they are right doesn't mean they necessarily are.

    3. Have faith in yourself and never lose respect for yourself. If you are prepared to make your own choices and then accept the consequences, good or bad, without complaint, you are a better person than many who choose to criticise those choices.
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    Sis did u read my post?
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    Ukhti,

    The best solution will be if a knowledgable Sister sees this thread and adds you to her MSN. You are probably very perplexed at this moment and not certain of what you are even trying to ask.

    I have quite a few grandchildren and you are not much younger than my 4 oldest grand daughters. I will try to address you in the same manner I would have spoken to them at your age, if they had been faced with the same situations you are speaking of:




    format_quote Originally Posted by Noor_ View Post
    Okay... This is going to be a long post but I've come here just to hear what you all think because I need advice. PLEASE read if you can.

    I'm a 16 year old girl, and have been brought up in a muslim family. My family isn't what you would call 'very strict', but muslims all the same.

    I just need help because lately... I've seemed to have lost hope and belief in religion - not Allah, because I still very strongly believe in him, but religion itself. Does that make any sense?
    I just want to know if I'm not the only one and I don't know who to ask. I guess I'm a bit upset because I'm not getting any answers or 'signs' from Allah himself.

    My dear Child, the love allaah(swt) has for us is both simple and very complicated. The only part we need to understand is Allaah(swt) is all merciful and all forgiving. That love does not conflict with the rules he has sent to us in the form of our religion. Our religion is also designed to protect us from our own desires and perceived needs. If we follow it correctly it is a loving map to guide us away from pain and the instructions on how to control our own thoughts, words and deeds. Please little one, look carefully at how our religion is designed to protect and guide you. It is not a confusing belief and it is not a set of man made desires, it is a path designed to enhance our life on earth and help us stay on the path to Jannah. do not look upon it as a chore, look at it as a travel guide for a wonderful journey. Allaah(swt) does send you constant signs and guidence. Sadly we as human's often fail to see them. Perhaps even the simple fact you are here asking and listening is the result of Allaah(swt) guiding you.

    To me, there is no COMPLETE perfect religion (don't hate me!) because.. how do we know everything we're told from one book is true? It was written hundreds of years ago at a time when governments needed to control people - religion is the easiest way. And today still, you see people give up their lives for it. To me, religion destroys more people than it brings together. I'm not just talking about Islam, but every religion.

    My dearest little one, that is so much of a desire we human's have. We have a very strong wish to believe that we are good and we would never deliberatly harm others. In fact we often feel that Allaah(swt) has created us so strong that we have no need of religion and can function on what Allaah(swt) has given us, without further need.

    What you said would be very true, except Allaah(swt) also gave us free will, it is that free will that gives us need to learn and understand the consequences of our actions. We can not see all of the results of our action nor understand how they will affect us in the future. However, Allaah(swt) knows and through Islam he has given us the guidance needed to avoid or cause unneccessary pain.


    February this year, I met a boy at a concert I went to. I go to concerts all the time and I meet and become friends with loads of people - so I wasn't expecting anything. Anyway, we exchanged numbers and just got talking later on that night. A few weeks later we both knew we liked each other a lot. We met up again at another concert (we both belong to a record label's street team, that's why we got talking) and yes I did kiss him.

    Dear child, the desire for contact between boys and girls is one of the strongest human forces possible. People will die for the chance to simply hold hands with a person they feel attraction for. The feeling of a kiss is one of the greatest human pleasures possible. However, pleasure is not happiness. Happiness lasts and has no external needs, pleasure lasts only as long as the stimulation lasts.


    Anyway, we met up again a couple of weeks later, and at the end of May I decided to stay round at his house. You might think I'm crazy and that was a very bad move - my friends also told me not to go as I was only 15 and he was 18. But he took good care of me and his parents took me out for dinner and I got to know his family. My parents of course didn't know I was staying at his house, I told them I was staying at my friend's. Whatever you might say to me now, I do not regret that night. It was also the first time he told me he loved me :-)

    Child, it is impossible for you to feel regret for that night at this moment. That was probably the strongest and most pleasant feeling you had ever experienced. But, always remember is it was pleasure and not happiness. Sadly the regret will come to you latter, sadly there will come a time when you will feel that incident destroyed your life and it will eventually cause you to hate that young boy you think you love at this moment. It is far better that you learn more and find out the real truth about what has happened to you. Learn what it has done to you and feel regret for that act now, before it boils over into a cesspool that will drown your ability to truly experience the happiness love is designed to bring.



    Our relationship has developed over time, (and it is a sexual relationship before you ask) and we are perfectly in love with each other. I do actually intend to stay with him for a long time. He is also an atheist.

    Dearest Child, look carefully at what you just wrote and think carefully about how much you have changed since that incident you mentioned above. Is this a thought you would have had the day before this happened?

    I know everything I've done is so wrong in Islam.. but am I really a bad person? I'm always nice to everybody, and the only thing I regret is not being able to tell my family. This is not my fault but it does upset me that they will never understand - he is the best thing that ever happened to me. One of my sisters, however, does know and I can tell her anything.

    My poor child, bad is never the intent for any of us when we do bad. the bad is not the act itself. the bad is that we have been reduced to being able to accept it and no longer can see any bad. Dear one, this has changed you. You have become what you had at one time fought to avoid becoming. This is the bad.

    Is love really a sin in islam if you are not married? Because I personally cannot find a single thing wrong with it. He makes me so happy and I don't understand why this is wrong.

    Love is not a sin. true love also means you would love a person enough to help prevent them from falling into sin. Your desires have also led a young man into sin. At this moment, your actions are building a wall between him and Allaah(swt). It is very possible that there is nothing that can prevent him from dieing as an atheist now.

    My instincts always tell me it is so much more important to be a good person than say, praying five times a day. Allah KNOWS I am grateful and loving for everything He has given me, is this really necassary?

    Is it not more important to show your gratitude and love? I can show you that I care as much about you as much as I care about my grandchildren, by sending you a check like I often send them. but since you already know I care about you as I do about them, I won't bother sending it.

    Another thing I don't understand - is why the nicest person in the world, who is so loving and giving, cares for everybody and does so much good - will never enter paradise because they do not believe in Allah. Then you get somebodty the same but even less caring or loving, but because they pray 5 times a day, read the quaran ect, they will enter heaven.
    I don't see how this is fair?

    There once was a very nice man who was on a journey to a tropical paradise. He embarked on the trip and never met the captain of the ship, nor read the itinerary. He was very nice and very helpful to all of the passengers and crew and was loved and respected. In spite of all of his work and all of his love, the ship still ended up at the North Pole, which was it's destination. Perhaps, he could have same himself some inconvenience if he had spoken to the Captain and read the itinerary.

    Please help me... I am so confused. :-(
    I get so so scared about what will happen to me when I die - is Allah happy with who I am or am I a bad person? I tihnk about this everyday and it upsets me so much. I try my best to be a good person, but according to Islam I am the worst. I just don't see how.

    Does anybody feel the same about certain things as I do?
    Please talk to me!
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint View Post
    Do you consider yourself a muslim or a deist?
    Muslim. I just looked up deism in detail, and although it is interesting I wouldn't say I was a deist.

    Muj4h1d4, yes I did read your post, and I answered a few of your questions in my previous post

    Woodrow, that was a lovely reply and I thank you, but giving up someone I love so much just seems like a huge mistake. I know I'm only young, but at this point I really don't want to get married to somebody else later on in life. I know he isn't muslim so marrying him would cause problems, but that's not what I'm talking about.. I just don't want to regret leaving someone so special behind.
    The thought just makes me really, really sad.. just reading your post made me cry.

    I'm not saying you're wrong, in fact you seem more right, but my heart seems to tell me otherwise..
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    What you think is your heart, is actually the Shaytaan whispering to you.

    Sis this is the first love, the love that is full of lies and deceit. You might think it's love, but how do you love someone, from your heart, that rejects Allaah swt?
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    - No, I do not regret having a sexual relationship with him.. that sounds wrong but I really don't. I would never do anything I didn't want to.
    It's not about u wanting to or not! Have you ever thought about what Allaah swt has ordered us to do?

    -Yes, I do know the things I'm doing are wrong, but deep down my heart tells me not to feel guilty because I haven't harmed anybody through this happiness.
    You're harming yourself, your Imaan.

    I can only base this from the Quaran which is obviously not Allah himself.
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