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    this question always comes to my mind

    does Islam consider christens kafroon or non believers because they don't believe in the prophet Mohammad (SAAW) and the quran?

    and do they all go to hell even the ones who spent their lives worshiping God ?

    please I need an asnwer to my question

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    Re: are christians Kafroon ?

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    The condition for entering Paradise and being elegible for the Mercy of Allah (swt)- is not as the christians say "accept jesus/son of god/ savoiur etc" in essencnce associate partners with Allah (swt) rather it is to believe in Allah (swt) Who Alone has the Right to be worshipped and has no partners.

    And to do good deeds- believe and follow what Allah (swt) has defined as good.
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    Re: are christians Kafroon ?

    Assalamu Alaikum wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh

    1. Allah detests those who reject the truth,Him,his messangers,and his message.

    2. Their iman in Allah is not complete. Allah has created the Earth and everything else with the truth. Before the big bang there was no time or space. Allah is separate from time and space, he is above his creation. Allah created everything by himself and no one has helped him nor has anyone else created anything without Allah's will. Therefore, he alone deserves to be worshiped and to him alone belong all the beautiful names.

    3.They don't differentiate much between God and his creation. For example, they say that Jesus(pbuh) is perfect and eternal. He was not free of need. Meleks commit no sins does that mean I should worship them!!
    They also attribute God's names to Jesus.

    4.THEY COMMIT SHIRK. Shirk is when you like or love someone as Allah or more than Allah,spw. A believer must love Allah and fear Allah more than anything else. That does not mean that you don't love your loved ones, It is in a human nature to love family etc..

    5. They commit idolatery. It is idolatery to believe that God resides in objects or people.

    6. http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/26721...0non%20muslims

    http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/11793...0non%20muslims

    7. Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. Whoso doeth that hath no connection with Allah unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them, taking (as it were) security. Allah biddeth you beware (only) of Himself. Unto Allah is the journeying. (28) Ali I mran28

    Thou seest many of them making friends with those who disbelieve. Surely ill for them is that which they themselves send on before them: that Allah will be wroth with them and in the doom they will abide. (80) If they believed in Allah and the Prophet and that which is revealed unto him, they would not choose them for their friends. But many of them are of evil conduct. (81) El- Maide


    Those who chose disbelievers for their friends instead of believers! Do they look for power at their hands? Lo! all power appertaineth to Allah. (139) He hath already revealed unto you in the Scripture that, when ye hear the revelations of Allah rejected and derided,

    And incline not toward those who do wrong lest the Fire touch you, and ye have no protecting friends against Allah, and afterward ye would not be helped. (113) HUD

    O ye who believe! if ye obey those who disbelieve, they will make you turn back on your heels, and ye turn back as losers. (149) But Allah is your Protector, and He is the Best of Helpers. (150) Ali imran

    And the Jews will not be pleased with thee, nor will the Christians, till thou follow their creed. Say: Lo! the guidance of Allah (Himself) is Guidance. And if thou shouldst follow their desires after the knowledge which hath come unto thee, then wouldst thou have from Allah no protecting friend nor helper. (120) Al baqra

    “Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion nor drove you out of your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity.” [60:8]


    As for them all going to hell. People who have never heard of Islam will be tested on the judgement day. Allah will tell each to go to hell,if they do obey Allah,Allah will let them enter Jennah and when they went to hell the fire would be cool. If they don't obey, they are those who would trow Allah's message behind their backs.

    Allah knows what each womb carries.

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    Re: are christians Kafroon ?

    Ibn Taymiyyah was very strict in his stance that the one who doubts if a xtian or jew is a kafir (disbeliver) or not- he his self becomes kafir.
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    Re: are christians Kafroon ?

    what if god forgives the non believers and not us do u know that or forgives all of us afcourse not
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    Re: are christians Kafroon ?

    format_quote Originally Posted by khalid84 View Post
    what if god forgives the non believers and not us do u know that or forgives all of us afcourse not

    Intention brother.

    It's all about "IN THE NAME OF ALLAH"

    Surah Asr makes it clear.

    In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

    By the declining day, (1) Lo! man is a state of loss, (2) Save those who believe and do good works, and exhort one another to truth and exhort one another to endurance. (3)

    Learn about Allah's beatiful names.
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    Yes, christians are kafirs. Surat al-Bayyinah is clear in this.
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    Re: are christians Kafroon ?

    format_quote Originally Posted by convert View Post
    Yes, christians are kafirs. Surat al-Bayyinah is clear in this.
    ok i get it but in quran it didnt say to talk bad about them did it?
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    Re: are christians Kafroon ?



    format_quote Originally Posted by khalid84 View Post
    ok i get it but in quran it didnt say to talk bad about them did it?

    invite (mankind, O Muhammad SAW) to the Way of your Lord (i.e. Islam) with wisdom (i.e. with the Divine Inspiration and the Quran) and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better.

    Truly, your Lord knows best who has gone astray from His Path, and He is the Best Aware of those who are guided.


    ( سورة النحل , An-Nahl, Chapter #16, Verse #125)
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    Christ will never be proud to reject to be a slave to God .....holy Quran, chapter Women , 4: 172

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    Re: are christians Kafroon ?

    format_quote Originally Posted by khalid84 View Post
    ok i get it but in quran it didnt say to talk bad about them did it?
    All we said was the truth. So that they and us know the truth.
    Please read the links I gave you.

    If you're satisfied with their kufr then you most likely would have no problem doing the same.

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    Re: are christians Kafroon ?

    format_quote Originally Posted by khalid84 View Post
    ok i get it but in quran it didnt say to talk bad about them did it?
    Who's talking bad?
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    format_quote Originally Posted by convert View Post
    Yes, christians are kafirs. Surat al-Bayyinah is clear in this.
    again why do u have to call them kafir i think it bad but every 1 is deferent so in my view i wouldnt they do things there way and we do our way every 1 knows what good and whats bad and and what u call kafirs they have been good to me then a muslim.
    format_quote Originally Posted by Light of Heaven View Post
    Who's talking bad?
    read the posts kafirs kafirs its the same way as saying bad words.
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    Re: are christians Kafroon ?

    Not it's not. That's an existing word and a fact. It's not an insult. It refers to those who reject the message of Islam on purpose, after it has come to them. Please don't make stuff up...thanks.
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    Re: are christians Kafroon ?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Light of Heaven View Post
    Not it's not. That's an existing word and a fact. It's not an insult. It refers to those who reject the message of Islam on purpose, after it has come to them. Please don't make stuff up...thanks.
    im not making stuff up dont get me wrong but its not good maybe u think it does not but it does. thats the how i think
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    Re: are christians Kafroon ?

    That's the thing...it's not how "we" think, but how Allah(swt) legislated this deen.

    It's like me calling someone a munafiq, which means hypocrite in the deen.

    Maybe if you try and learn more about Islam, InshaAllah things would make sense to you.
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    Re: are christians Kafroon ?

    Personally I have no problem with being called kafir. If it means unbeliever, then that's what I am in the eyes of my fellow Muslims.
    Equally, from a Christian perspective, I would consider Muslims to be non-believers ...

    Now, we believe in the same God, and both Christians and Muslims believe that the final judgment will be God's. That sounds fair enough to me.

    But I take khalid's point.
    There is a problem with the term kafir/unbeliever when it is used in anger and as an insult!
    I don't think there is any justification for that.
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    I can understand that, but he didn't say what your saying now Glo. He mentioned the world kafir in general. Maybe he needs to be more clear...I personally don't find it insulting against someone who defames Islam as he/she pleases. No one said it in an insulting way, I'm sorry to say. We're talking about what is mentioned in the Qur'aan. If people can't comprehend that, then it's not my problem and don't see why I should be held accountable for my words. Perhaps people need to make that clarity in their minds themselves.

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    format_quote Originally Posted by glo View Post
    Personally I have no problem with being called kafir. If it means unbeliever, then that's what I am in the eyes of my fellow Muslims.
    Equally, from a Christian perspective, I would consider Muslims to be non-believers ...

    Now, we believe in the same God, and both Christians and Muslims believe that the final judgment will be God's. That sounds fair enough to me.

    But I take khalid's point.
    There is a problem with the term kafir/unbeliever when it is used in anger and as an insult!
    I don't think there is any justification for that.

    We do believe in the same God but our belief about God is different. We believe that Christians make up lies about God.

    Kafir simply means a non-Muslim there are different type of kafirs.
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    Yes, that too sister.

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    [QUOTE=khalid84;1205371]again why do u have to call them kafir i think it bad but every 1 is deferent so in my view i wouldnt they do things there way and we do our way every 1 knows what good and whats bad and and what u call kafirs they have been good to me then a muslim.

    In this case you don't have an option of a different view. In Islam we don't take our own interpretations on things but interpretations of scholars. Scholars use methods such as hadeeths before comming to a conclusion.

    Again, If you're satisfied with kufr(fordidden things) you wouln't have trouble doing the same thing.

    Brother, just because your personal experience is the way it is doesn't mean that it is a fact. For what reason are they kind to you?
    Probably, so it reflects good on Christianity.

    Again, does that make us unfriendly because Christians are affectionate with you?

    No, I sit on this chair thirsty and hungry to try and make you realise that Christians and Muslims do not love eachother.
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    Re: are christians Kafroon ?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Rasema View Post
    No, I sit on this chair thirsty and hungry to try and make you realise that Christians and Muslims do not love eachother.
    What do you mean?
    Should Christians and Muslims not strive to live together in peace and harmony?

    Are we not called to be kind to our brothers and sisters in humanity - even the ones who don't share our faith?

    I have great love and respect for my Muslim friends and neighbours!
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