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5 Executed for Madinah Boy’s Rape-Murder
P.K. Abdul Ghafour, Arab News

JEDDAH, 1 November 2007 — Saudi authorities in Madinah yesterday executed five Saudi men for raping and murdering a young boy, the Saudi Press Agency reported, quoting an Interior Ministry statement.

The ministry identified the five as Khaled ibn Humaid Al-Sahli, Ali ibn Ahmed Ayashi, Jazi ibn Samayel Al-Maraashi, Hani ibn Abdullah Al-Aufi and Aaish ibn Salim Al-Muhammadi.

“The five were found guilty of abducting the young boy, raping him and killing him by slitting his throat and then decapitating the body with a knife,” the statement said. The five criminals later threw the young boy’s headless body into a valley.

The ministry did not say when the crime took place or who the victim was. The statement, however, pointed out that the five Saudi criminals were drunkards, drug addicts and had previously stolen a number of cars.

The horrifying discovery of a headless body in the Erwa Valley in Madinah was widely reported in the local press in February 2004. The incident had terrified the area residents.

One report published at the time said the boy was a Pakistani.

Arab News reported on Feb. 10, 2004, that police were searching for the boy’s head and that they had taken DNA samples from the missing Pakistani boy’s parents after they expressed doubts that the headless body was their son’s. The body was so disfigured that the parents were unable to identify it with certainty.

The ministry said the five Saudis confessed to murdering the boy and committing several other crimes that terrorized peaceful people and undermined security. It said the Court of Appeals as well as the Supreme Judiciary Council endorsed the Shariah Court’s verdict to behead the five.

The ministry warned criminals intending to attack peaceful people, cause bloodshed and violate honor that they would receive severe punishment.

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id be interested to know if any non muslim condemn them being executed for their crime? do you think these people should be left in jail and given the chance to live after what they have done?

 

[Woodrow]

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[jouju]

subhanallah...Where is this world heading to????????

 

[Tania]

I would go for jail because i don't think the justice system its perfect. I watch a tv show on Discovery where they showed convicted people in states for murder, sentenced to death which was found later not guilty. They have a system which force you in the end to confess you are guilty only to escape from the daily stress. One of them, after was executed was declared not guilty. Others, still in life, will receive from government money for the years spent in jail.

 

[Joe98]

id be interested to know if any non muslim condemn them being executed for their crime?

In my view execution is the correct punishment for the crime.

However, I don't trust Saudie justice and so it might have been somebody else.

And beheading is barbaric. Executon should be by another method.

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[KAding]

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http://arabnews.com/?page=1&section...&m=11&y=2007&pix=kingdom.jpg&category=Kingdom


id be interested to know if any non muslim condemn them being executed for their crime? do you think these people should be left in jail and given the chance to live after what they have done?

In my opinion the death penalty isn't wrong per se. I do think some people deserve being put to death. The problem with the death penalty is its finality. We have no way to set right mistakes that were made. And any legal system is going to make mistakes, because of the simple fact that it is run by humans. History has shown that too many mistakes are made and innocent people put top death.

So I would definitely disagree with these death penalties. Life in prison would be a better option IMHO.

 

[Malaikah]

I also agree with the concern showed about sentencing innocent people to death... which is why I only really approve of the death sentence is proper steps, according to Islamic law were taken to apply the ruling.

Poor child. Such a sickening attack.

 

[Tania]

I also agree with the concern showed about sentencing innocent people to death... which is why I only really approve of the death sentence is proper steps, according to Islamic law were taken to apply the ruling.

Poor child. Such a sickening attack.

I have doubts about the saudi justice especially after i read Rizana case here, a young woman which wanted to help her family and now face beheading because the child which was left in her care died(it was an accident).
Now, they found 5 men which are described like drunkards, taking drugs, so very negative. They are described in a way do not get any "doubt" about their character.

 

[Woodrow]

I too have mixed feelings about the death penalty. Not because I oppose the death penalty but because I have little faith in human courts of being able to absolutely confirm guilt or innocence.

As far as beheading, I can not see how that is any less or more Barbaric than any other form of execution. But, who said that execution needs to be or should be sanitized. The purpose of it is not to make the person enjoy it.

Beside it is now being found that lethal injection is not as painless or humane as was thought. It is being found out that the prisoner is merely paralyzed and unable to show pain or fear. But, apparently it is there and sometimes death does not occur for nearly any hour after the injections. It may look kinder, but the person may suffer more and longer than from any other form of execution.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

I too have mixed feelings about the death penalty. Not because I oppose the death penalty but because I have little faith in human courts of being able to absolutely confirm guilt or innocence.

As far as beheading, I can not see how that is any less or more Barbaric than any other form of execution. But, who said that execution needs to be or should be sanitized. The purpose of it is not to make the person enjoy it.

Beside it is now being found that lethal injection is not as painless or humane as was thought. It is being found out that the prisoner is merely paralyzed and unable to show pain or fear. But, apparently it is there and sometimes death does not occur for nearly any hour after the injections. It may look kinder, but the person may suffer more and longer than from any other form of execution.

Beheading is probably the least barbaric of all execution methods. It only takes 2-5 seconds, it's rather clean and, of course, cheap.
It's definitely much much better and more humane than stoning, gas chamber, electric chair and, as it seems, lethal injection.

 

[Malaikah]

I have doubts about the saudi justice especially after i read Rizana case here, a young woman which wanted to help her family and now face beheading because the child which was left in her care died(it was an accident).
Now, they found 5 men which are described like drunkards, taking drugs, so very negative. They are described in a way do not get any "doubt" about their character.

I'm sorry, but your proof that it was an accident it what exactly?:? Are you assuming that she was innocent just because she said she was?

She said it was an accident, the parents of the child deny this, the court found her guilty.

She may or may not be innocent, but we can't just assume she was innocent when we have no proof at all and then say that the Saudi justice system is stuffed up based on our baseless assumption! :-\

 

[جوري]

Beside it is now being found that lethal injection is not as painless or humane as was thought. It is being found out that the prisoner is merely paralyzed and unable to show pain or fear. But, apparently it is there and sometimes death does not occur for nearly any hour after the injections. It may look kinder, but the person may suffer more and longer than from any other form of execution.

People will dance around the methods decreed and then come back to them anyway.. a guillotine is no different than a beheading...

I wasn't there to witness the details of this case, to pass an opinion on an a priori judgment. I think more often than not, people tend to forget the victim who has had an equally brutual and barbaric crime comitted against them in favor of criminals. I notice most so-called 'humanists' seem to advocate for lawlessness and crime rather than for justice.

The problem is these cases become subject to sensationalism and public opinion, when neither has room for this. Take a look a few yrs back at the case of timothy mcveigh.. did we have to know his last meal and interview him on his death bed.. so that this seems to some as 'humanistic'?

 

[Isambard]

If you could prove 100% that a person is guilty then death penalty would be fine. Seeing as you cant, and there have been cases where the person was really innocent, then no, you shouldnt have the death penality.

There is also the cost aspect unless you want to just hide any wrongfully convicted cases under the rug thereby removing the justice aspect entirely.

As per the article, I certainly dont trust the Saudi police as they have arrested and convicted ppl for things such as "Black magic".

 

[Gator]

I go for life in prison. Against state executions.

 

[جوري]

you speak as if you were a criminal?
I wouldn't want to feed a criminal and put a roof on his head while there are children literally starving to death..

Justice should be swift and it should fit the crime, media and people's opinion should be left out of it and shouldn't sway ruling one way or another. I don't want to turn on my TV to see OJ get away with murder, any more than I want to see a man convicted and serve 17 years for a crime he didn't do, one because he was rich enough and famous enough to get away with it, and the other because the man was black enough and fit the profile of people who just wanted to see someone get convicted and who would care any way, one less noisome minority off their streets. What a warped justice!

 

[Woodrow]

Sadly we as humans face too many temptations and prejudices. It is impossible for us to deal justly with all situations. It is only by having as judiciaries, those who are capable of obeying the written commands, can we even approach justice on earth.

The Shariah laws are fair and just, it is us as humans who fail to enforce them properly and/or misuse them.

 

[Malaikah]

As per the article, I certainly dont trust the Saudi police as they have arrested and convicted ppl for things such as "Black magic".

The judges sentence people. Not the police.

And while you might not believe in black magic, Muslims do (it involves the jinns/'devils').

Anyway, in this case the five men admitted to the murder, so there shouldn't be a problem.

 

[Joe98]

When people have to have an operation, they are kept unconscious by anaesthetic

Anaesthetic could be used to put people out and then lethal injection to kill them.


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[Al-Zaara]

Astagfirullah. I just don't get it... How you can do such a thing?

I too have mixed feelings about death penalty. Like many said, one of the reasons I too am against it is because you cannot take it back, in many cases you cannot prove 100% guilt.

But by killing them immideately, you'd take away their 'chances to regret' and 'ask forgiveness' from Allah..

That's to me as a Muslim a much more severe punishment than the actual pain you go through under those 2-3 seconds of beheading. And I actually think some deserve it, but again, do the others (who are verdicted with death penalty) deserve it too? How can you know for sure? :hmm:

But in my opinion, I think exceution was the right punishment for what they did, but Allahu Aleem.

 

[Malaikah]

But by killing them immideately, you'd take away their 'chances to regret' and 'ask forgiveness' from Allah..

Umm... but it was Allah who ordered that the death penalty be the punishment for murder in the first place... :?