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Have muslims gone mad! check this story out and let me know your thoughts.


'Muhammad' teddy teacher arrested

Gillian Gibbons is described as "a talented and able teacher "

A British schoolteacher has been arrested in Sudan accused of insulting Islam's Prophet, after she allowed her pupils to name a teddy bear Muhammad.
Colleagues of Gillian Gibbons, 54, from Liverpool, said she made an "innocent mistake" by letting the six and seven-year-olds choose the name.
Ms Gibbons was arrested after several parents made complaints.
A spokesman from the British Embassy in Sudan's capital, Khartoum, said it was unclear whether she had been charged.
Embassy officials are expected to visit Ms Gibbons in custody later.
"We are in contact with the authorities here and they have visited the teacher and she is in a good condition," an embassy spokesman said.
The spokesman said the naming of the teddy happened months ago and was chosen by the children because it is a common name in the country.
"This happened in September and the parents did not have a problem with it," he said.
'Very sensitive'
The BBC's correspondent Amber Henshaw said Ms Gibbons' punishment could be up to six months in jail, 40 lashes or a fine.
The school has been closed until January for fear of reprisals.

Fellow teachers at Khartoum's Unity High School told Reuters news agency they feared for Ms Gibbons' safety after receiving reports that men had started gathering outside the police station where she was being held.
The school's director, Robert Boulos, said: "This is a very sensitive issue. We are very worried about her safety.
They came up with eight names including Abdullah, Hassan and Muhammad



Robert Boulos
Director of Unity High School


"This was a completely innocent mistake. Miss Gibbons would have never wanted to insult Islam."
Mr Boulos said Ms Gibbons was following a British national curriculum course designed to teach young pupils about animals and this year's topic was the bear.
Ms Gibbons, who joined the school in August, asked a seven-year-old girl to bring in her teddy bear and asked the class to pick names for it, he said.
"They came up with eight names including Abdullah, Hassan and Muhammad," Mr Boulos said, adding that she then had the children vote on a name.
Twenty out of the 23 children chose Muhammad as their favourite name.
Mr Boulos said each child was then allowed to take the bear home at weekends and told to write a diary about what they did with it.
He said the children's entries were collected in a book with a picture of the bear on the cover and a message which read, "My name is Muhammad."
Book seized
The bear itself was not marked or labelled with the name in any way, he added.
It is seen as an insult to Islam to attempt to make an image of the Prophet Muhammad.

Mr Boulos said Ms Gibbons was arrested on Sunday at her home inside the school premises after a number of parents complained to Sudan's Ministry of Education.

I know Gillian and she would never have meant it as an insult. I was just impressed that she got them to vote



Muslim colleague in Sudan



He said police had seized the book and asked to interview the girl who owned the bear.
The country's state-controlled Sudanese Media Centre reported that charges were being prepared "under article 125 of the criminal law" which covers insults against faith and religion.
No-one at the ministries of education or justice was available for comment.
Mr Boulos told the BBC he was confident she would not face a jail sentence.
"So far there is not any formal accusation, you see, so it wouldn't reach that, it will be just a fine. We are struggling with the authorities and our advocates to just release her, and then the whole case will be dismissed," he said.
One Muslim teacher at the independent school for Christian and Muslim children, who has a child in Ms Gibbons' class, said she had not found the project offensive.
"I know Gillian and she would never have meant it as an insult. I was just impressed that she got them to vote," the teacher said.
In Liverpool, a family spokeswoman said Ms Gibbons' grown children, John and Jessica - both believed to be in their 20s - were not commenting on her arrest. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7112929.stm

 
Why is calling a teddy bear Muhammad wrong?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy
Blasphemy is the defamation of the name of one or more gods.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation
In law, defamation is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may harm the reputation of an individual, business, product, group, government or nation.

So let me get this right. Calling a teddy bear Muhammad is blasphemy because it implies that the teddy bear is Muhammad???

Otherwise I don't understand how Gillian Gibbons statement can be interpreted as a blasphemy, even technically.

I don't want to speculate further until someone can explain why. Please, if anyone answers, keep it simple and to the point.

PS I wrote to the Sudanese government online but got no confirmation that they received it.
 
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This whole situation is utterly ludicrous...
 
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do the people calling for this women to be killed..really follow islam...they seem to be so outside the norm of what I see from day to day as far as muslim behavior is concerned...what is wrong with these people.
 
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Either they were ill-informed or they're just baying for blood. I hope it's the former rather than the latter.

I also hope the lady is freed and this insanity can come to an end.
 
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Greetings,

Unbelievable. These protesters think they are doing god's work, and, as always, that makes them dangerous, as no rational argument could possibly convince them they're wrong.

It has been reassuring to see the Muslim community in the UK condemning this situation as ludicrous from day one, but I fear that the consequences of this will be long-lasting.

People I know who are normally very tolerant are looking at this story and really beginning to think that Islam as a whole is crazy and dangerous. If I'm with a group of friends, and one of them says something anti-Islamic, I will be the one saying "well, it's not actually like that", or "it doesn't really say that in the Qur'an" and so on, largely relying on information I have gained from this site. This kind of situation just gives the Islamophobes one more big stick to beat the religion with, and makes defending Islam even harder.

This is probably the first time this has occurred to me, but I would really like to see Islam united. If there was a global assembly of Islamic scholars that were viewed as an authority by the world's Muslims, this kind of idiocy could be dealt with effectively, and the reputation of Islam would not have to be dragged through the mud on a regular basis, as it is nowadays. If the people of the world think that Islam has no way to prevent 'Muslims' behaving in ways that are stupid or dangerous in the belief that they are doing god's work, then things can only get worse.

Peace
 
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Calls in Sudan for execution of Briton
By MOHAMED OSMAN, Associated Press Writer 36 minutes ago


KHARTOUM, Sudan - Thousands of Sudanese, many armed with clubs and knives, rallied Friday in a central square and demanded the execution of a British teacher convicted of insulting Islam for allowing her students to name a teddy bear "Muhammad."

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The protesters streamed out of mosques after Friday sermons, as pickup trucks with loudspeakers blared messages against Gillian Gibbons, the teacher who was sentenced Thursday to 15 days in prison and deportation. She avoided the more serious punishment of 40 lashes.

They massed in central Martyrs Square outside the presidential palace, where hundreds of riot police were deployed. They did not try to stop the rally, which lasted about an hour.

"Shame, shame on the U.K.," protesters chanted.

They called for Gibbons' execution, saying, "No tolerance: Execution," and "Kill her, kill her by firing squad."

The women's prison where Gibbons is being held is far from the square.

Several hundred protesters, not openly carrying weapons, marched about a mile away to Unity High School, where Gibbons worked. They chanted slogans outside the school, which is closed and under heavy security, then marched toward the nearby British Embassy. They were stopped by security forces two blocks away from the embassy.

The protest arose despite vows by Sudanese security officials the day before, during Gibbons' trial, that threatened demonstrations after Friday prayers would not take place. Some of the protesters carried green banners with the name of the Society for Support of the Prophet Muhammad, a previously unknown group.

Many protesters carried clubs, knives and axes — but not automatic weapons, which some have brandished at past government-condoned demonstrations. That suggested Friday's rally was not organized by the government.

A Muslim cleric at Khartoum's main Martyrs Mosque denounced Gibbons during one sermon, saying she intentionally insulted Islam. He did not call for protests, however.

"Imprisoning this lady does not satisfy the thirst of Muslims in Sudan. But we welcome imprisonment and expulsion," the cleric, Abdul-Jalil Nazeer al-Karouri, a well-known hard-liner, told worshippers.

"This an arrogant woman who came to our country, cashing her salary in dollars, teaching our children hatred of our Prophet Muhammad," he said.

Britain, meanwhile, pursued diplomatic moves to free Gibbons. Prime Minister Gordon Brown spoke with a member of her family to convey his regret, his spokeswoman said.

"He set out his concern and the fact that we were doing all we could to secure her release," spokeswoman Emily Hands told reporters.

Most Britons expressed shock at the verdict by a court in Khartoum, alongside hope it would not raise tensions between Muslims and non-Muslims in Britain.
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And we wonder where the Talibans and the Al-qaedas come from, take this cleric from example, openly preaching intolerance and hate.:thumbs_do
 
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it shows the Sudanese are irrational and illiterate in general.In fact Muslims are irrational nowadays making mountains out of molehills.there was also another 'name case' here in Bangladesh in this case a cat being named Mohammad and that too in a cartoon ridiculing not the prophet pbuh but a Mullah.
 
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Aziz said:
it shows the Sudanese are irrational and illiterate in general.
Hey, that's not fair. Don't generalise an entire nationality over this.

In fact Muslims are irrational nowadays making mountains out of molehills.
That, on the other hand, does have truth in it. Most unfortunately.

there was also another 'name case' here in Bangladesh in this case a cat being named Mohammad
Really?

and that too in a cartoon ridiculing not the prophet pbuh but a Mullah.
That's just silly. Unless the controversy related to Islamic rules on backbiting or something.

Anyway, I really want this lady to be freed. It's unjust to incarcerate her for such a misunderstanding.
 
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I was online this morning reading news accounts of what is going on in the sudan...there was thousands of people protesting demanding the death of this poor teacher after comming out of mosque for friday prayers...the clerics were inciting these people and telling the she deserves to die because she "intentionally insulted the prophet"..

QUESTION...who monitors what these clerics are saying inside the mosque..is there any central authority to serve as a watch dag group to make sure this does not happen..
 
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Oh my days, what is this man, let her go *sad*

It was the kids that named the bear, next thing they're gonna be killing the kids *sad*

Astaghfirullah,

No wonder the world hates us, now there is yet another reason to hate us,

Argh! Wana migrate to Indonesia, though it is okay in UK, you do get stares though.
 
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It's unjust to incarcerate her for such a misunderstanding.
she isn't a bit guilty in my opinion.well maybe made an honest mistake but not guilty like a criminal.I mean it were the students who named the Teddy.
**** we Muslims are making some world history!war about a Teddy....
 
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The protesters streamed out of mosques after Friday sermons, as pickup trucks with loudspeakers blared messages against Gillian Gibbons, the teacher who was sentenced Thursday to 15 days in prison and deportation.
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mg:

Somebody in authority needs to ring up the dumb*** "cleric" spewing such idiocy and tell him to keep his ignorant, intolerant, 7th century mouth shut.

If this woman gets lynched over a Teddy bear it will not be forgotten. You think "Islamophobia" is bad now? There will instantly be no moderates left in the UK and not many in the rest of Europe, either. It will make the Danish cartoon flap look like child's play.
 
english teacher in sudan...

I was watching the news about an English teacher in Sudan. I was just wondering if this is fair justice.

She basically used a Teddy Bear and named him Muhammad. when I was watching this, i felt that the society is giving Islam a bad name. She was sent to jail for 15 days. What do you think of this. And surely she didn't mean to say things like that. The British society respects Islam faith so why go this far? I personally think that its too extremist.

Thanks
 
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Greetings,

See here and here.

It's fair to say that the situation generally hasn't gone down well with most here.

Welcome to the forum!

Peace
 
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The protesters streamed out of mosques after Friday sermons
So the mosques become the center for hate and intollorance.

Interesting.
 
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I was just thinking. (I know that’s scary, but every once in a while I do)

Not too long ago, there were all kinds of nasty remarks made about a city that refused to grant permission to build a grand mosque in there city.

Now can’t you see some city planer sitting there with a proposal for a new mosque and lying next to the proposal is a news paper showing these pictures?





And captions that say.

The protesters streamed out of mosques after Friday sermons,
They burned pictures of Gibbons and called for her execution, saying, "No tolerance: Execution," and "Kill her, kill her by firing squad."
Hardline clerics who hold considerable influence with Sudan's Islamic government, have sought to whip up public anger over the Gibbons' case, calling her actions part of a Western plot to damage Islam.

I wonder what impact this would have on his decision.
 
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