Afghan, Mother and Daughter stoned and shot to death

[Darth Ultor]

I'm not criticizing Islamic law, I'm criticizing the way certain governments implement Islamic law. Is there really even a country in this word that applies true Sharia anymore now that the Caliphate is gone?

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

I'm not criticizing Islamic law, I'm criticizing the way certain governments implement Islamic law. Is there really even a country in this word that applies true Sharia anymore now that the Caliphate is gone?

Nope not since 1924. Therefore until a Shariah system is not in place no one can criticize any Islamic law. These cases which the media like to use as propoganda in their agendas occur in tribal outlawed areas.

Theres no way of ascertaining any facts of this case, but we are forced to believe it how it is reported. I am sure anyone can create a similar scenario and put it on mainstream media to make people believe it happened when in reality we dont know if it did or not.

Therefore talking about such "alleged" incidents which has nothing to do with Shariah is pointless. Then why are there people in this thread attributing such incidents to the Shariah?

 

[Zone Maker]

Have you thought out every aspect of your post? Does adultery really disturb public order enough to execute someone? Okay, if it's an Islamic state, then Sharia must be implemented but are you honestly saying that every alleged adulterer was really guilty? Doesn't the Islamic justice system put the burden of proof on the prosecution and not the defense? Rape victims have been executed too whereas the rapists got off with a slap on the wrist (but I won't get any article because it will be dismissed as Zionist propaganda). I remember reading here that the prosecution needs four witnesses minimum to even bring a case to court. Only way to prove that is if they were out in public together showing affection unless they look through the window of a private house, which is forbidden.

It seems as usual you ignore what I wrote I told you human knowledge is limited and again you act as if you are above GOD. Do you even call what the west has “public order”? It is not. They say humans have the ability to adapt to any situation. Some say that it is a strength point that we humans have and today you proved to me it is one of human’s weak point as well. You were conditioned and made to accept that the system you are living in is the best thing that humans can ever have. Believe me when I tell you it isn’t. A simple search can show the crime rates of every country that implements your “perfect” system. But it is understandable a devil can live happily in hell not knowing the existence of heaven or even life. You also ignored what I said about china. Just because their laws work that doesn’t mean we have to include it into Islam we don’t know the long term effects of their laws. The same way we cannot let a heinous crime like adultery lose we don’t know the long term effects of such deviance unless you have a crystal ball Mr.boaz. When people use a system that is as lose as yours, corruption will spread and when people wake up they are to late to cure the situation making it necessary for them to use big volumes of violence that at most times reach the innocent “without a doubt”.

are you honestly saying that every alleged adulterer was really guilty?

Again you claim you have read my post and yet again you are acting as if you know everything.
So you are saying you checked every so called “alleged adultery” file in the world.Why not call every murder case “alleged murder” or theft as “alleged theft”. You are simply playing with words right now. You are not saying why they are alleged in the first place. Why not add the word alleged to every crime and let go of every criminal. And where those "alleged adultery" caught in an Islamic state (I don't need to remind you that KSA is not). I can use this word game too. Our Job on earth is to implement GOD's laws the best way we can not validate it. With that logic of yours every thing is alleged and nothing will be accomplished resulting in the world we are living in today. The core problem with you is that even if a person was found guilty using today's technology you don't like stoning for the sake that you don't like stoning nothing else you where fed that stoning is wrong that is your problem not Islam. so keep that anarchy like ideology to yourself. Islam is not anarchy.

Rape victims have been executed too whereas the rapists got off with a slap on the wrist (but I won't get any article because it will be dismissed as Zionist propaganda).

I don’t know what is going on here many members in this very forum told you that there is no Islamic state yet you continue throwing this nonsense. You are doing very well at spreading propaganda so there is no need for your articles.

 

[Abz2000]

here's proof that they totally make up news stories:

 

[MartyrX]

Do you really think adultery leads to other crimes? Honestly I'd like to see studies on this.

While some people want to think this is made up, and maybe it is, but we don't know. We have to take this story for what we've been told. As the story is written these two women were murdered and killed without a trial.

 

[Abz2000]

lack of remaining trust between spouses and constant stress an tension
total family breakdown in most cases,
fatherless children who often totally mess up and turn to crime,
there are many more

 

[MartyrX]

How about statistics? Poverty has shown to be much more of an indicator of crime, rather than the breakdown of the family. While you can argue single parents will tend to be poorer than a family with two incomes, that isn't always the case. Second we have to look at why families are breaking down, and it isn't just adultery.

 

[Ramadhan]

How about statistics? Poverty has shown to be much more of an indicator of crime, rather than the breakdown of the family. While you can argue single parents will tend to be poorer than a family with two incomes, that isn't always the case. Second we have to look at why families are breaking down, and it isn't just adultery.

Islam already provide very comprehensive solutions for poverty.
Also, when married couples cannot longer sustain their marriage, divorce is allowed and regulated in Islam, and also, polygamy is allowed as well when circumstances fulfill regulations under Islam.
There's just no excuse for adultery.

 

[Ramadhan]

As the story is written these two women were murdered and killed without a trial.

The part where two women were murdered and killed without a trial is not a question here: it breaks all kinds of Islamic laws.

This is not the dispute, isn't it?
The real kernel of truth is that the west (and some muslims) find death punishment for adultery unpalatable.
The west keep focusing on that particular fact while disregarding the other majorly aspects: forgiveness in Islam, repentance, keep secrets of one's own and others' sins, strict trials and strict evidence/proof for conviction, etc etc.

 

[Snowflake]

If this book is anything to go by, the Taliban are a confused bunch of so called Jihadis who are guilty of transgressing beyond the limits set by Allah. Astaghfirullahal adheemAllahdhi la ilaha illahu wal hayyul qayyumu wa atoobu ilay if I spoke unjustly. And Allah knows best.

 

[Darth Ultor]

The problem with Afghanistan is that tribalism runs rampant there. This was before the Soviets even got in. Islam fits into the tribes' cultures instead of the other way around.

 

[جوري]

rather their tribalism and geographical location is probably one of the reasons many an empires have met their doom there, including the U.S insha'Allah..

 

[GuestFellow]

@ Boaz

I agree. There is too much instability in Afghanistan, so it is not surprising when you hear violent cases.