Allah is known through reason

[anatolian]

He is a disgrace to your religion

I want to object this statement...No one is a disgrace to my religion. Neither to all Muslims. People just do mistakes. He can be a disgrace to people who follow him only.

 

[Abz2000]

Sure. I would be amazed, but more because your "What if" includes the existence of Angels and Gods. If Angels and Gods exist, then any magical and otherwise irrational thing isn't so amazing or unlikely.

And Yes, Gods COULD exist, though we have no good reason to believe that they do. My point was that you don't NEED them to explain what was being discussed. Eye spots on butterflies are perfectly explainable by natural selection and mutation, and all evidence we have points in that direction.

Will be made clear soon inshaAllah,
The op's post was about the miraculous nature of the phenomena and how it assists the creature, the op's foundation is based upon a rational explanation from start to finish, the claim that it just so happened with no basis of origin and no source of intelligence sounds irrational, it reminded me immediately about scene in a comedy :called "the piglet files" i sometimes watched when i was little, they find a man who they'd locked up with a spy woman dead and he's been poisoned with a syringe, the woman
decides to blame them and they all stand around the agent who'd picked up the syringe still containing traces of liquid, they discuss and decide to send it off to the lab in order to find out what it is, but one of their agents chimes in "you don't have to send it to the labs to find out what it is, i already know!" They all go silent and focus on him in anticipation, "why it's a syringe!" he jubilantly and proudly proclaims.........

 

[Serinity]

To say this came without an intelligent designer is like to say a car spawned out of nowhere, from minerals or what not..

it is more rational to say that our universe is a product of intelligent design, who is conscious. To say otherwise is ridiculous.

I don't and won't buy that a butterfly in whosebob's post could come without intelligent design - it is simply ridiculous. It is more rational and logical to say that Allah SWT created it.

It is like saying a programming language like Java script came unconsciously, simply ridiculous. Java scripts has rules etc. Did you know our genetics etc. Are coded by Allah SWT? Only Allah SWT could create such a being like us.

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

To say this came without an intelligent designer is like to say a car spawned out of nowhere, from minerals or what not..

Peace

 

[Pygoscelis]

To say this came without an intelligent designer is like to say a car spawned out of nowhere, from minerals or what not..

No. It is not like that at all. And I have explained this to you before. Your comparison doesn't have ANYTHING needed for evolution. There is no replication, mutation or natural selection in "a car spawned out of nowhere, from minerals or what not". Why are you trying so hard not to understand what evolution is?