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Why is Arabic considered the language of Islam?
Allow me a simple question.
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Well, I don't understand .. Allah created all languages among humans .. He chose Arabic for the Quran because this language has many features that makes it a strong language (Notice that the Quran itself is a miracle and Arabs were challenged to bring something like it) .. that's what I had in mind
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Well, I don't understand .. Allah created all languages among humans .. He chose Arabic for the Quran because this language has many features that makes it a strong language (Notice that the Quran itself is a miracle and Arabs were challenged to bring something like it) .. that's what I had in mind
Allah hu alim.
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A Foreign Miracle
It was written in Arabic, by an Arab. Besides this, why the strict correlation between language and religion. Wouldn't the practice of religion, be most effective in a language of command?
Can you cite any example from the Koran, that would have conveyed a wrong, or misleading interpretation, had it been revealed in English instead?
And, on what basis is it considered a miracle? It is a known fact, that the long held beliefs, of exclusive teachings, is untrue.
It was written in Arabic, by an Arab. Besides this, why the strict correlation between language and religion. Wouldn't the practice of religion, be most effective in a language of command?
Can you cite any example from the Koran, that would have conveyed a wrong, or misleading interpretation, had it been revealed in English instead?
And, on what basis is it considered a miracle? It is a known fact, that the long held beliefs, of exclusive teachings, is untrue.
Allah hu alim.
But... i thought Allaah's first language was 'arabic' so he wrote the qura'an in arabic.
I don't know +o(
u ok sis? :muddlehea
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Re: A Foreign Miracle
All translation from any language to another are at best an approximation. Language is very much related to religion. The words form the thought process by which a person will self interpret what is written. This was early understood. Notice that in the Abrahamic religions that the early believers adhered strictly to the original language of the revelations. The Jews stopped speaking Hebrew as the daily colloqual language for thousands of years. However, the language of their religion remained Hebrew. Even modern Jews learn Hebrew in order to fully understand their religion. The Qur'an was revealed in Arabic. The only way we can truly understand the truth of Islam is to learn to read the original Qur'an. Christianity resorted to translating the words of Jesus(as) and his followers. As a result the original words have ceased to exist and all that remains are translations that can not be verified.
No, I can not. However, those that speak both English and Arabic will testify that none of the known English translations carry the same meaning as the Arabic. I do speak and read some Arabic. a sufficient amount to see for myself that many Arabic words have no English equivalent. However, in the context of the Arabic sentences they are very clear and the connotation is readily understood.
Another example. I notice you are using the Aramaic word sabacthani as your user name. Aramaic is another Semitic Language related to Arabic and Hebrew. Most speakers of Hebrew or Arabic do have at least the rudimentary ability to read it. The word sabacthani is a good example of what can happen. Standing alone the word has no English meaning. Although when combinded with La ma and written a bit more accuratly and becoming La ma sabak athani. It carries the connontation of "You have given me up, Why?" Although that is far from being exact and the connontation is more in line of being "You have denied knowing me and abandoned me, why did you do this to me?"
The miracle is quite obvious to any person familiar with the Qur'anic Arabic. It is the only book ever written in that form of Arabic and no person has been capable of writing a single original sentence in the same form. It is a true miracle of linguistics that nobody has been able to duplicate in over 1,400 years. Another Miracle is that although there are many dialects of Arabic a person who can understand anyone of the dialects can read and understand the Qur'an even tho they can not understand speakers of a dialect other than their own.
All translation from any language to another are at best an approximation. Language is very much related to religion. The words form the thought process by which a person will self interpret what is written. This was early understood. Notice that in the Abrahamic religions that the early believers adhered strictly to the original language of the revelations. The Jews stopped speaking Hebrew as the daily colloqual language for thousands of years. However, the language of their religion remained Hebrew. Even modern Jews learn Hebrew in order to fully understand their religion. The Qur'an was revealed in Arabic. The only way we can truly understand the truth of Islam is to learn to read the original Qur'an. Christianity resorted to translating the words of Jesus(as) and his followers. As a result the original words have ceased to exist and all that remains are translations that can not be verified.
No, I can not. However, those that speak both English and Arabic will testify that none of the known English translations carry the same meaning as the Arabic. I do speak and read some Arabic. a sufficient amount to see for myself that many Arabic words have no English equivalent. However, in the context of the Arabic sentences they are very clear and the connotation is readily understood.
Another example. I notice you are using the Aramaic word sabacthani as your user name. Aramaic is another Semitic Language related to Arabic and Hebrew. Most speakers of Hebrew or Arabic do have at least the rudimentary ability to read it. The word sabacthani is a good example of what can happen. Standing alone the word has no English meaning. Although when combinded with La ma and written a bit more accuratly and becoming La ma sabak athani. It carries the connontation of "You have given me up, Why?" Although that is far from being exact and the connontation is more in line of being "You have denied knowing me and abandoned me, why did you do this to me?"
The miracle is quite obvious to any person familiar with the Qur'anic Arabic. It is the only book ever written in that form of Arabic and no person has been capable of writing a single original sentence in the same form. It is a true miracle of linguistics that nobody has been able to duplicate in over 1,400 years. Another Miracle is that although there are many dialects of Arabic a person who can understand anyone of the dialects can read and understand the Qur'an even tho they can not understand speakers of a dialect other than their own.
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Dear sabachthani,
Adding to the replies of Woodrow, Arabs are known to have a special talent in using their language in poem, rhetoric, etc .. they even spent most of their time challenging each other in front of tribes .. Also there's something about prophet Muhammed, he couldn't read nor write .. so when he recite Quran, no one can say Muhammed PBUH wrote it! because even the best poets couldn't bring an aya (verse) like the Quraan
I'm a native Arabic speaker, when I was in KJ-2 I realized some differences between English and Arabic .. for instance, in English: you put plural form to anything counted larger than 2, while in Arabic there is a form of using dual option (that gives you the accuracy to understand easily if the phrase talks about 2 persons or more) .. that was a simple example
Adding to the replies of Woodrow, Arabs are known to have a special talent in using their language in poem, rhetoric, etc .. they even spent most of their time challenging each other in front of tribes .. Also there's something about prophet Muhammed, he couldn't read nor write .. so when he recite Quran, no one can say Muhammed PBUH wrote it! because even the best poets couldn't bring an aya (verse) like the Quraan
I'm a native Arabic speaker, when I was in KJ-2 I realized some differences between English and Arabic .. for instance, in English: you put plural form to anything counted larger than 2, while in Arabic there is a form of using dual option (that gives you the accuracy to understand easily if the phrase talks about 2 persons or more) .. that was a simple example
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As far as depth of language is concerned, there can be no word or phrase, by
itself, or contextual, that cannot efficiently be explained in another language.
With no intention of debating the point, the Koran is still hardly a miracle. Calling
it a miracle of linguistics, further belittles the faith, compared to the many
miracles before it. By virtue of content, it is definitely, far from miraculous.
And, having been compiled from the writings on leaves and stones, and the
regurgitations of scribes, does it not raise even a glimmer of doubt, on its
explicit authenticity?
itself, or contextual, that cannot efficiently be explained in another language.
With no intention of debating the point, the Koran is still hardly a miracle. Calling
it a miracle of linguistics, further belittles the faith, compared to the many
miracles before it. By virtue of content, it is definitely, far from miraculous.
And, having been compiled from the writings on leaves and stones, and the
regurgitations of scribes, does it not raise even a glimmer of doubt, on its
explicit authenticity?
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A very large number of us on this forum are reverts. We were not born into Islam and most of us were very devout in a prior faith before reverting. Very few of us were asked to become Muslim. We came of our own choice, simply because we came to the realization that the Qur'an is true. Each of us has different reasons for coming to that conclusion, but we each came to that conclusion.
I know I can not convince you of the validity of the Qur'an as that is something you can only do yourself and for your own reasons.
I do not have a glimmer of a doubt that the Qur'an is true. Although I did fight it and believed it to be mere literature for the first 65 years of my life.
Dear sabachthani,
Quran answers you back without any doubts
As a medical student, I chose science to prove more than the language or literature, but that doesn't mean I don't admire the miracles of Quran regarding choosing words perfectly ..
Moreover, please listen to this Sura:
Mariam listen carefully after the minute 19 .. I know you don't know Arabic, but didn't you notice the rhyme?
Regarding Quran miracles, please follow the links:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmWMv4CvU_o (long duration video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7QqV-Mj7n4 this one, notice the lowest place on earth.
Quran answers you back without any doubts
As a medical student, I chose science to prove more than the language or literature, but that doesn't mean I don't admire the miracles of Quran regarding choosing words perfectly ..
Moreover, please listen to this Sura:
Mariam listen carefully after the minute 19 .. I know you don't know Arabic, but didn't you notice the rhyme?
Regarding Quran miracles, please follow the links:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmWMv4CvU_o (long duration video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7QqV-Mj7n4 this one, notice the lowest place on earth.
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Re: A Foreign Miracle
My fellow Texian:
Marhaba. "The miracle is quite obvious to any person familiar with the Qur'anic Arabic. It is the only book ever written in that form of Arabic and no person has been capable of writing a single original sentence in the same form. It is a true miracle of linguistics that nobody has been able to duplicate in over 1,400 years. Another Miracle is that although there are many dialects of Arabic a person who can understand anyone of the dialects can read and understand the Qur'an even tho they can not understand speakers of a dialect other than their own."
Hmmm. In my last class, hamza was not classified as a letter - I gather the reason is b/c it wasn't in the Qu'ran. So, to write in Arabic today one would necessarily be excluded from writing in that form of Arabic, as one would naturally use hamzas, or they would be implied by modern usage. I am also given to understand partially b/c of the widespread teaching of the Qu'ran, formal Arabic is widely understood in the Arab-speaking world - hence Al Jazeera broadcasts in formal Arabic. So while a Moroccan & an Omani could never converse in dialect, they could communicate in formal Arabic quite readily. I'm afraid I don't quite follow your two miracles, if you're using the term in the sense I'm familiar w/.
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My fellow Texian:
Marhaba. "The miracle is quite obvious to any person familiar with the Qur'anic Arabic. It is the only book ever written in that form of Arabic and no person has been capable of writing a single original sentence in the same form. It is a true miracle of linguistics that nobody has been able to duplicate in over 1,400 years. Another Miracle is that although there are many dialects of Arabic a person who can understand anyone of the dialects can read and understand the Qur'an even tho they can not understand speakers of a dialect other than their own."
Hmmm. In my last class, hamza was not classified as a letter - I gather the reason is b/c it wasn't in the Qu'ran. So, to write in Arabic today one would necessarily be excluded from writing in that form of Arabic, as one would naturally use hamzas, or they would be implied by modern usage. I am also given to understand partially b/c of the widespread teaching of the Qu'ran, formal Arabic is widely understood in the Arab-speaking world - hence Al Jazeera broadcasts in formal Arabic. So while a Moroccan & an Omani could never converse in dialect, they could communicate in formal Arabic quite readily. I'm afraid I don't quite follow your two miracles, if you're using the term in the sense I'm familiar w/.
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Moreover, please listen to this Sura:
Mariam listen carefully after the minute 19 .. I know you don't know Arabic, but didn't you notice the rhyme?
I love Sura Al Rahmaan...
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Thank you for your response, and for the YouTube links.
Referring to the one on embryology, wasn't that debunked?
Weren't there Greek studies that far predated the advent
of the Koran, not only in this field, but also in astronomy?
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Please show them.
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Arabic is considered the language of Islam, maybe because it is the language of the Qur'aan and the Prophet SalallahuAlayhiWasallam...The Qur'aan is the revealed word of Allaah, it being revealed in arabic would heighten the importance of it.