American Muslims

Sister, how can you misunderstand so much clear and valid proof? It does apply to all the celebrations, religious or not, scholars clearly state that. What it doesn't apply to is the things that they do and invent from which we may benefit. Seek refuge in Allah, there is no contradiction in any of it.

"Another example is their imitation of the festivals of shirk and bid’ah, such as birthday celebrations, whether it is the birthday of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or the birthdays of presidents and kings. Or these festivals of bid’ah and shirk may be named after days or weeks, such as a country’s national day or independence day, or Mother’s Day, or hygiene week, and other days or weeks that are celebrated. All of these have come to the Muslims from the kuffaar, for Islam has only two festivals: Eid al-Fitr and Eid al-Adha. Anything else is bid’ah and an imitation of the kuffaar. From a khutbah entitled al-Hathth ‘ala Mukhaalafat al-Kuffaar (Exhortation to be distinct from the kuffaar) "

I am not here to debate you, argue you, or prove myself right in any way, shape or form. I am informing you of the clear and abundant evidence. It is clear to me, and if it is not to you, I advise you, as a sister, to seek the answer by other means which you are comfortable with. No Muslim scholar has deemed Thanksgiving, or any other kuffar holiday religious or not, permissible to celebrate. Allah knows best and He is the best Judge in all matters.

Fi aman Allah, may Allah protect you.
What clear evidence? There was no hadeeth from the prophet and no surah excluding non religious holidays. Even the 'evidence' you provided does not exclude it. It does, however, give a valid judgement based on a surah about religious holidays and greetings. It also gives a scholar's personal opinion on non muslim/ non religious holidays. You don't have to debate me because there is no proof on which you can debate. So in this case I will use my personal judgement and not the common belief of muslims.
 
But wait, there's hope!

Now there is someone dressed as Batman chasing these clowns down the streets and beating them up. Welcome to the 22nd century where you can be anything you want, even comic villains and superheros :P

I watched those videos, they're at once funny and tragic. We're so far gone we actually need Batman to emerge from the comic books to save us. :facepalm:

I'm just not trying to reach the conclusion that if this carries on we'll soon have the Joker at large.
 
You should be thankful to Allah every second of the day not just on one particular day. If this is the American holiday, let them observe it. You can observe your own holidays in your way.
 
It seems like your problem is that the holiday is American. Halloween and Christmas both originated as pagan holidays and Christmas was at the time the Yule celebration that Christians converted to celebrate the birth of Isa. Those two I agree with you should not be celebrated but the others are just traditions that have been made to bring families together . Just like every other country has their own national past times . I don't really celebrate these events cause well they are just another day but I will not judge someone cause they go to a family members house on thanksgiving to see their family members. If they support your journey in Islam why can I not support their tradition respectfully?
 
I watched those videos, they're at once funny and tragic. We're so far gone we actually need Batman to emerge from the comic books to save us. :facepalm:

I'm just not trying to reach the conclusion that if this carries on we'll soon have the Joker at large.

My favorite one is where these clowns try to scare a black guy in an underground garage and the guy had all his buddies around there and they call ganged up and beat them clowns up so bad :D


Isn't joker a clown also? thus all these jokers ^o)
 
Islam forbids the Muslims to imitate the kuffaar, especially the Jews and Christians, but this prohibition does not apply to all their affairs, rather it applies to matters of their religion and things that are unique to them, by which they are known.''

So then, Christians and Jews as people of the Book are not cousins in the faith in the one (and only) true God? We are unbelievers?
 
In the first post was mentioned Thanksgiving but you started to talk about Halloween. ^o)
 
So then, Christians and Jews as people of the Book are not cousins in the faith in the one (and only) true God? We are unbelievers?
If you associate others with Allah, like the holy trinity or believing that christ is more than a prophet (christians) or if you dont recognize all of his prophets (jews and christians) or if you alter sacred texts (both jews and christians) then you are an unbeliever.

I know what I wrote about altering sacred texts will be disputed so I will explain it now. The Bible has been changed countless times over the centuries and I dont just mean how it is worded. The actual stories have been changed. One great example of this is James Ussher,Archbishop of Armagh (primate of all Ireland). In the mid 1600s he was a respected scholar of the bible. He constructed a chronology of human and Earth existence in which he estimated that the Earth was created in 4004 B.C and was only a few thousand years old. This was taken as fact even though he has no evidence to back his claims up and was soon printed in the margins of the bible. Which is why some Christians falsely believe that the Earth is 6,000 years old (trust me I have met these people).
Another example is the old testament which is largely ignored by many christians. The image of Isa (Jesus) is completely altered because only after the new testament was Isa thought of as being equal to Allah or as Allah himself. However, Isa never claimed to be God.
 
how to lose friends and alienate people.. the thread.

put it this way..

i wont talk about any holiday.

lets talk about two of the main problems within the lower classes of society.

alcohol and gambling.. and more importantly..

what the quran says about them wherever they are mentioned.

read for yourself.

in conclusion, those deplorable people were not turned away.. the dredges of society who knew no better were not slapped in the face and told to bugger off..

they were shown a better way..

now if that means the company of alcoholics snd gamblers then you should be able to put two and two together.

..and if you think that means taking up drinking and gambling then you should really re-evaluate your answers.

please grow up..

to be something better.

i once went on at local drug dealers to stop peddling.

then one day a young brother of one of them came to ask me for a job.

i had no money for him..

i cant do the math on that one.


aint no point in complaining about losing the majority vote.
 
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Been gone a while, so please excuse the necrothread.

To clear up some misconceptions: Halloween is neither Christian nor Mexican in origin, it is Druidic. The Druids (pre-Christian European priests -- see Merlin, etc) celebrated four main holidays: Beltane (summer solstice), Samhain (autumn equinox, final harvest - modern Halloween), Ostera (spring equinox -- modern Easter) and Yule (winter solstice -- modern Christmas). Roman Christianity appropriated these holidays to help erase the pagan faith and help Christianity spread. Oddly enough, the Pope didn't touch the names of the months (imperial Roman) or the days of the week (Druidic and Norse).

Halloween, in particular, morphed into different traditions. In the Roman church it is the night before All Hallows (or All Saints) Day. I don't know how coincidental it was that it was All Hallows Eve when Martin Luther posted his 95 thesis, sparking the Protestant Reformation that, essentially, gave birth to most of the non-Catholic Christian denominations. Meanwhile, Halloween managed to survive as an "underground" holiday that was dedicated to appeasing the spirit world by sharing the harvest with random ghosts and dead relatives. From there, it became a child's holiday and the Day of the Dead, depending on local tradition. In North America, Halloween is now apparently at least as big a holiday as Christmas.

Speaking of Christmas, it was originally a Roman holiday called Saturnalia, marked by exchanging presents, and masters serving dinner to their household slaves. At the same time, across the Rhine, the barbarians decorated evergreen trees in the hope that, like the trees, they would survive the winter. Sometime in the mid-19th century, Queen Victoria's husband, Prince Albert, himself a German royal, imported the Christmas Tree to England.

For several decades, Christians have decried the commercialization of Christmas, particularly the abbreviation "Xmas," and you will often see signs on houses during the holidays that say "Put the Christ back in Christmas." Atheists like to parody this with "Put the Saturn back in Saturnalia." There doesn't seem to be any particular outcry, either from Christians or atheists, about the commercialization of Halloween; this strikes me as odd, considering that both holidays are now largely dedicated to greed and gluttony, never mind their roots in superstition. In any event, both are now public holidays more than they are religious.
 
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