Apostasy in Christianity.

glo said:
Yes, Jesus did not abolish/destroy/disregard the old laws ... they were God given and valid in their time!
But when Jesus completed his mission and his purpose with his death and resurrection, he completed/finished/satisfied/fulfilled them.

The old laws, which God had to put upon people, became obsolete/finished with/were brought to an end.
Jesus put an end to them, and instead started a New Covenant!

I don't expect you to believe what I believe. I am just trying to explain what I believe. :)

It is getting late, and I have to get some sleep.

Peace :)
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Very good, as explained in the definition of fulfilled he followed these commands.
 
wilberhum said:
Why do you assume that apostasy is separation from god? :grumbling Apostasy is the renunciation of a religious faith, not all religious faith. With the many religions, only one (Maybe none), can be correct. So apostasy could be the rejection of a false religion and acceptance of a true religion.
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Hi Wilberhum

Sorry, if I offended you. :(
I am only representing the Christian perspective. Of course other faiths will have differing views.

Keltoi clarified what I meant very well:
"If one goes to his grave without accepting Christ, then the "punishment" is much worse, which is separation from God. Personally, I believe that is Hell."(Thank you, Keltoi!)

That might be true if Christ is god. What if Christ is not god?
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Again, we Christians speak from a Christian perspective. If Christ was not God, then our faith would be false ...

Peace :)
 
Again, we Christians speak from a Christian perspective. If Christ was not God, then our faith would be false ...
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My point exactly.

PS I was not offended in any shape or form. Just correcting what I concider an erronious assumption.
 
glo said:
Again, we Christians speak from a Christian perspective. If Christ was not God, then our faith would be false ...
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Whoa! so your saying Jesus is God, and God died on the cross?
 
wilberhum said:
My point exactly.

PS I was not offended in any shape or form. Just correcting what I concider an erronious assumption.
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LOL
That's alright then, Wilberhum.
It was this face that made me think I had offended you: :grumbling
(I know it's described as 'grumbling', but it looks more like an exploding head to me!) ;D

I suppose many things I say in this forum are based on the assumption (erronious or otherwise) that my faith is true ... but I am fully aware that not many people here share my perspective.:)

peace
 
WnbSlveOfAllah said:
I was sure even to the christians God is seen as an Eternal being, a bieng which existed before time and will exist forever...

If I where to ask you to describe God, how would you describe him?
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Well, this is how God describes himself:
"Remember this, fix it in mind,
take it to heart, you rebels.

Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me.

I make known the end from the beginning,
from ancient times, what is still to come.
I say: My purpose will stand,
and I will do all that I please." (Isaiah 46:8-10)
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and
"It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life. He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son." (Revelation 21:6-7)
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For further information on Jesus, please look here (You may remember the thread) http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/29273-did-jesus-wipe-away-sins-all-mankind.html
Peace :)
 
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WnbSlveOfAllah said:
I was sure even to the christians God is seen as an Eternal being, a bieng which existed before time and will exist forever...
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I'm not sure...but it seems WnbSlaveOfAllah, that you haven't come across some basic christian doctrines..if i could recommend you, you could visit: religion facts about christianity (don't worry, it's nonchristian side) and check the part about doctrin (God, Trinity and Jesus); or re-jesus site (that's christian side, but very "open-minded")

back to your question:
Our God is eternal, but once in history one person of Trinity (=God) incarnated, that is became human (and still was fully God), was angry, hungry, suffered, died, and was resurrected. That's the very core of our faith.
even when i wasn't christian i felt drawn to Jesus. But today I feel somehow closer to God, knowing that He also suffered and died. It allows me (it's just my pov) to answer somewhow "suffering question".
I know it's not an answer sensu stricto! but...
When i go to church and see Jesus on the cross, i stop asking this question. It's looks to me, as if He was saying: "shhh child. You won't understand. But I went through it all. And you aslo will". And i surrender...

WnbSlveOfAllah said:
If I where to ask you to describe God, how would you describe him?
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wise people when are asked this question, don't say anything. And that's also an answer :D
n.

ed: sp.
 
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I think christian broter's & sisters has answered the Question best to their knowledge. So let's not go off-topic. Debate's can be started on another thread.
 

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