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Ash Shams = The Sun (single feminine)

الشّمس

If we had two suns how would I say
(Those two - feminine) Suns?

Thanks
 
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الشمس is feminine, from its old term الشميسة; no mystery behind it.

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أحمد;1394186 said:
الشمس is feminine, from its old term الشميسة; no mystery behind it.
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Wa salam

I don't think there is any mystery. I was just wondering, if we had two Suns how would we write Al Shams instead?
 
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TheRationalizer said:
Wa salam

I don't think there is any mystery. I was just wondering, if we had two Suns how would we write Al Shams instead?
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Dual form (the two suns): الشمسان\الشمسين and in older terminology: الشميستان\الشميستين

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Other common words following the same pattern of grammar, include: نار، جحيم، جهنم

Words falling into feminine form, via relation to "pairs", e.g. a hand is available as a pair of hands, so يد is feminine.

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bro I don't think he can read arabic ^

transliteration would help
 
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aadil77 said:
bro I don't think he can read arabic ^

transliteration would help
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I quite agree.

أحمد;1394199 said:
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Other common words following the same pattern of grammar, include: نار، جحيم، جهنم

Words falling into feminine form, via relation to "pairs", e.g. a hand is available as a pair of hands, so يد is feminine.

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Transliterated below:

Other common words following the same pattern of grammar, include: Naar, Jaheem, Jahannam.

Words falling into feminine form, via relation to "pairs", e.g. a hand is available as a pair of hands, so Yad is feminine.

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أحمد;1394198 said:
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Dual form (the two suns): الشمسان\الشمسين and in older terminology: الشميستان\الشميستين

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Transliteration:

Dual form (the two suns): Ash-Shamsaan/Ash-Shamsain and in older terminology: Ash-Shumaisataan/Ash-Shumaisatain.

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Ahmad, thanks very much for your help! Would you mind also helping me with this named object?

ٱلشِّعۡرَىٰ

How would that be written in a dual form?
 
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TheRationalizer said:
Ahmad, thanks very much for your help! Would you mind also helping me with this named object?

ٱلشِّعۡرَىٰ

How would that be written in a dual form?
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Grammatically, الشعرتان would be acceptable. In this case, however- as its a specific name; its kept as it is.

The alif maqsur (ى) suffix, makes the noun feminine- hence, the changed suffix of تان to replace ى.

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It's just that as I read the Quran I saw that it mentions the star Sirius. It occurred to me that Sirius is a binary star system so I wondered if the Quran indicated this in the way in which it wrote "The Sirius". I was wondering if this was one of the apparently miraculous ways in which the Quran was worded, but it seems not.

It seems that a mere human with 1400 years worth of scientific discovery can make an improvement to the accuracy of a book allegedly written by the all-knowing creator of the universe.

Thanks for your help with the Arabic, I appreciate it. I wish I had more time to go back to classes.
 
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TheRationalizer said:
It's just that as I read the Quran I saw that it mentions the star Sirius. It occurred to me that Sirius is a binary star system so I wondered if the Quran indicated this in the way in which it wrote "The Sirius". I was wondering if this was one of the apparently miraculous ways in which the Quran was worded, but it seems not.

It seems that a mere human with 1400 years worth of scientific discovery can make an improvement to the accuracy of a book allegedly written by the all-knowing creator of the universe.

Thanks for your help with the Arabic, I appreciate it. I wish I had more time to go back to classes.
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Anything would appear "an error", if not understood properly. There have been books and articles written, to explain this matter in more detail; google "grammatical errors in the quran" for details. I think Dr Zakir Naik, briefly explained a few points, and cleared some misconceptions in a debate video. I'm guessing, the debate was with William Campbell.

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أحمد;1394405 said:
Anything would appear "an error", if not understood properly
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I didn't say it was an error, I merely said that I could improve the Quran by making it more accurate. If I can improve it then it is imperfect, and imperfection is not an indicator of an all-powerful perfect being.
 
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TheRationalizer said:
I didn't say it was an error, I merely said that I could improve the Quran by making it more accurate. If I can improve it then it is imperfect, and imperfection is not an indicator of an all-powerful perfect being.
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Even the greatest, most educated people in Arabic, can't "improve", nor could ever "improve" anything, nor produce the likeness of the Quran. If you can do so, then produce a Quran, or even just a Surah of it. I see you've "accepted" the challenge, so get on with it; you've got a lot to do.

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It's a silly challenge because it is subjective. It is just like me challenging you to bring forth a baby more beautiful than my baby girl.

Instead what I did was showed that where the Quran mentions Sirius it mentions it in a singular form, but seeing as Sirius is actually two stars (Sirius A and Sirius B) it would have been more accurate to say (those two) Sirius.

If there is an opportunity within the Quran to improve it then it is imperfect.
 
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TheRationalizer said:
It's a silly challenge because it is subjective. It is just like me challenging you to bring forth a baby more beautiful than my baby girl.

Instead what I did was showed that where the Quran mentions Sirius it mentions it in a singular form, but seeing as Sirius is actually two stars (Sirius A and Sirius B) it would have been more accurate to say (those two) Sirius.

If there is an opportunity within the Quran to improve it then it is imperfect.
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I thought you understood, the concept of grammar of anything, which can be available in pairs? Its given a feminine form.

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