As Salamu Alaykum I know drinking Alcohol is haram is a sin in Islam for Muslims but

Scimitar said:
Null and void,

You're speaking from an emotional position in the post before your last. I don't entertain emotion when it comes to things like this bro.

Scimi
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Of course, no matter what i do, it's still null and void!

I proved you wrong many times here in this thread, but you still don't want to admit it.
When you show me where i'm wrong, unlike you i do admit it.

I didn't talked with emotion, i just stated what others has said, but you are the one who is speaking with his emotions by saying that Caliphs & Poets never drank alcohol and i said the Truth about them even though i love them, and you don't want to show any respect for my ideas.

But you just don't want to learn anything from me because i'm way more younger than you.
 
You fail to see the issue bro - you asking us to take the words of drunken people as evidence is not really conducive to Islamic practice bro.

Whenever we call a witness, the witness must be someone who is not categorically unreliable due to XYZ reasons, one of which is being an alcoholic.

Scimi
 
Scimitar said:
You fail to see the issue bro - you asking us to take the words of drunken people as evidence is not really conducive to Islamic practice bro.

Whenever we call a witness, the witness must be someone who is not categorically unreliable due to XYZ reasons, one of which is being an alcoholic.

Scimi
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And i think that you also failed to see the bigger picture that i wanted to show.
 
AhmedGassama said:
Yes i agree 100% with you

But i'm a big fan of Mutanabbi :p He is the greatest poet with a heart of iron lol
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Maybe, I don't know him. But Hallaj was not just a poet, he was a great sufi and he is verily respected by many here in Turkey. I think saying that he claimed to be Allah is just a rude word..What he did was far beyond this...
 
AhmedGassama said:
No i'm sure because you have a big ego and you never want to be proven wrong
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Ahmed, try and breathe - I already told you this thread was not about you or me :D

Look, here:

Scimitar said:
Let's not make this about you or me though, I'd rather see you try to bring this thread back on track by doing one of two things:

1) explain the position and reasoning behind khamr being haraam in Islam
2) attempt to prove baghdadi is a notorious drunk :D

One will be educational, the other - just entertainment :D

Scimi
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Ahmed, Chillax bro, I think it was your ego that is feeling it - not mine... I advise some internal relfection :)

Scimi
 
Yes i do admit that i have an ego and a very biiiiiiig one but the difference between me and you is that I tell the Truth, i'm honest!

So i dare you to admit it.

It was you who made it between you and me when you said i'm a liar.
 
I did? news to me :D I think you are getting lost in translation.

I quoted an hadeeth which Ibn Adam quoted before me, and I did so to show you that "Chinese whispers" does not count as witness statement. Further, it can land someone into the classification of "liar" by their repetition of said "Chinese whispers"... which was in fact, exactly as you did - I was attempting to show you the fallacy of your method. That was all.

But as usual dear bro, you see me as someone to "argue with", and so, I will let you be.

Peace

Scimi

EDIT: I'd still like to see you try to either:

`1) explain the reason why khamr is haraam

or

2) attempt to prove baghdadi is a notorious alcoholic :D

Atleast that way, we can attempt to salvage this thread you steam-trolled. lol.
 
Scimitar said:
I did? news to me :D I think you are getting lost in translation.

I quoted an hadeeth which Ibn Adam quoted before me, and I did so to show you that "Chinese whispers" does not count as witness statement. Further, it can land someone into the classification of "liar" by their repetition of said "Chinese whispers"... which was in fact, exactly as you did - I was attempting to show you the fallacy of your method. That was all.

But as usual dear bro, you see me as someone to "argue with", and so, I will let you be.

Peace

Scimi

EDIT: I'd still like to see you try to either:

`1) explain the reason why khamr is haraam

or

2) attempt to prove baghdadi is a notorious alcoholic :D

Atleast that way, we can attempt to salvage this thread you steam-trolled. lol.
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The only one is trolling this thread is you as you did in many others

You love to argue a lot.

You asked me about the Caliphs and i answered you with proofs but you didn't want to believe it.
You said the Muslim poets never glorified wine and i proved you wrong.

You think that saying Harun Arrashid was accused of drinking Alcohol by some historians is a lie
Then if i say Prophet David was accused of being a fornicator by the Christians is a lie as well ?

Then why should we study ? Let's stop!

Alcohol is haram because it makes you lose your head, Who doesn't know this ?
 
anatolian said:
Maybe, I don't know him. But Hallaj was not just a poet, he was a great sufi.
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There is a story about Mansoor al-Hallaaj told in "Subulas Salaam". It goes:

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THE SABR, FAQR AND FUTUWWAT OF MANSUR HALLAAJ

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HADHRAT HUSAIN Bin Mansur Hallaaj (rahmatullah alayh) was imprisoned and was awaiting his execution for allegedly having uttered blasphemy (kufr). Ibn Khafeef went to visit him in prison. He asked Mansur Hallaaj permission to pose three questions. When Mansur Hallaaj consented, Ibn Khafeef said: “What is the meaning of Sabr (Patience)?” Hadhrat Mansur who was shackled in chains, said: “If I gaze at these shackles, they will break and fall off.” So saying, he cast an intense look at the shackles which promptly broke and fell off. However, despite having the ability to unshackle himself with such ease, he chose that his hands and feet to be in shackles night and
day.

Then he cast a gaze at the wall of the prison. The wall split open, and miraculously both Mansur and Ibn Khafeef found themselves standing on the banks of the River Dajlah (Tigris River in Iraq). Despite possessing such miraculous powers, Mansur Hallaaj remained within the prison. He never attempted to escape. He demonstrated these miraculous acts to physically explain the meaning of Sabr – to bear hardships with patience and not to seek escape from hardships with miraculous powers.

Ibn Khafeef asked: “What is Faqr (poverty)?” Hadhrat Mansur cast a gaze at a stone which immediately turned into gold. Despite having the power to convert stones miraculously into gold, he did not have a dime (cent) to buy oil for his lamp at home. By this act, he explained the meaning of genuine poverty which is self-induced, and which is not the consequence of deprivation and inability.

Ibn Khafeef then asked: “What is Futuwwat (courage)?” Hadhrat Mansur said: “Tomorrow you shall witness it.” Ibn Khafeef narrates: “That night I dreamt I was on the plains of Qiyaamah. An announcer was proclaiming: “Where is Husain Bin Mansur?” He was located and ushered into the Presence of Allah Ta’ala. It was then said: “Whoever loved you will enter Jannat, and whoever had hatred for you will enter Jahannum.” Mansur responded (i.e. in Ibn Khafeef’s dream): “No! O My Rabb! Forgive them all.” Then in his dream he turned to me and said: “This is the meaning of futuwwat.”

Despite being shackled in thirteen chains, handcuffs and leg irons, Mansur (rahmatullah alayh) performed 1000 raka’ts daily in prison."

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[End quote from Subulas Salaam, p.6]
 
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AhmedGassama said:
The only one is trolling this thread is you as you did in many others

You love to argue a lot
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Why do you keep making this about you and I??

Are you dense bro?

I've told you many times now IN THIS THREAD that its not about you nor I - its about the position of Khamr in Islam - all you did was come here accusing Khaliphs of being alcoholics like a complete fool.

Are you a fool?

Do you only read your own posts?

I'll repeat, this thread is not about you nor I.

Now, for like the fifth time I will repeat - either:

1) explain the reason why khamr is haraam in Islam

or

2) prove Khaliph Baghdadi is an Alcoholic. (at least this one is alive lol)

Finally, stop being butthurt over dumb stuff - be a man, not a little girl.

Scimi
 
I'm wasting my time speaking to you in this stupid thread!
 
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AhmedGassama said:
I'm wasting my speaking to you in this stupid thread!
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Scimi
 
Scimitar said:
He's probably referring to fictional novel "1001 Arabian Nights" lol. Apparently Abbasid Khalip Harun al Rashid consumed alcohol in this fictional setting which became a literary marvel in Europe.

Scimi
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Originally Posted by ibn-Adam

Let’s remember the following statement of the Prophet:

Abu Huraira narrated the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said: “It is enough to call a person a liar that he narrates everything he hears”[Sahih Muslim]

The explanation of the hadith is that a person will hear a mixture of truth and falsehood and if they simply narrate everything without checking what is true and what is false, they will inevitably narrate the lies too.​
 

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