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Since Alcohol has some Benefits why is Alcohol/Gambling/Games of Chance haram and not Medicine which can also be Intoxicant if you take too many Pills ? Drinking Water Coffee Soda and other things can be Intoxicant as well why Alcohol the only Intoxicant that is haram like Drugs ? By the way I was not allowed to drink Alcohol even before I became a Muslim since I have Depression and take Anti Depressant Pills/Medication Drinking Alcohol wuould make my Depression worse thank you ?

Quran 2:219

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They ask you about wine and gambling. Say, "In them is great sin and [yet, some] benefit for people. But their sin is greater than their benefit." And they ask you what they should spend. Say, "The excess [beyond needs]." Thus Allah makes clear to you the verses [of revelation] that you might give thought.

http://quran.com/2/219
 
Drinking coffee or soda does not eliminate our awareness. Unlike the alcohol that made ​​up our minds out of control and eventually we will do forbidden or shameful things. This is why alcoholic beverage is haram.

Of course I know about it because, yeah, there was a time when I drank alcohol and used drug. Alhamdulillah, I have left it since long time ago.

By the way, I write this this post while drink a cup of coffe.
 
Every intoxicant is considered haram in Islam. So any drug, thus whatever changes the state of one's own mind, is Haram. Prescription drugs are not Haram, but yes, taking them more than one needs is harmful for one, and two, it is suicidal. Both of those are wrong, as we aren't supposed to cause unnecessary harm to our bodies. We will be questioned about our bodies on the Day of Judgment.

As for if alcohol would make your depression worse or not, you should ask a doctor about that. But either way, the advise from all of us Muslims at this forum is to stay away from alcohol altogether and never sip from it. What intoxicates in large amounts is also Haram in small amounts. Those who drink alcohol in this life, will not drink of it in the Hereafter. And those who drink alcohol in this life till their death, or if they give alcohol to a minor to drink, who doesn't know what is Halal or Haram, it will be incumbent on them to be punished by drinking from the pus of the other people in Hell who are punished.

Also, when one drinks alcohol, their prayers are diminished for forty days. I don't know if this means the reward is lessened or considered non-existent. Allah knows best. This is what I have seen from Ahadith. So if there is even a thought about moving towards drinking alcohol, then please stop. You really don't want to suffer in the Hereafter for it.
 
No one drinks alcohol for medicinal purposes. We all know ppl drink it to get drunk. let's be real here ok, paparika.
 
No one drinks alcohol for medicinal purposes. We all know ppl drink it to get drunk.

Actually in ancient times it was used for medicinal purposes, at least in cases of surgery (especially emergency surgery). Remember that they didn't exactly have much in the way of advanced anesthetics then. You had to take what you could get. Just like cocaine was used mainly as a painkiller before the invention of novacaine. That's how people discovered in the first place that it could make for a recreational drug. But these functions are obsolete--mostly. If you should find yourself stranded in the middle of the wilderness someday and you need to pull a metal rod out of your leg and pour bactine into the wound and there's nothing around to deaden the unutterable pain with but your dead hiking partner's bottle of whiskey, I'm sure you'll be forgiven in the hereafter for taking a deep swig or two.
 
It is strange to me that Muslims cannot drink on earth but can do so in paradise.

So, maybe in paradise you don't get drunk?

So, is it OK to drink grape juice on earth? (Also known as non-alcaholic wine).
 
Logikon said:
It is strange to me that Muslims cannot drink on earth but can do so in paradise.

So, maybe in paradise you don't get drunk?
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Who wants to get drunk if we were in paradise?

There is a lot of fun in paradise that we can enjoy. With a situation like this we will never have the desire to get drunk because we want to enjoy all the fun in paradise with the conscious mind.

Do you know? thing that helped me to leave alcohol, marijuana and drugs are recreational activities. I enjoyed these activities and realize that the world is more enjoyable if we are always in a conscious state.

So, is it OK to drink grape juice on earth? (Also known as non-alcaholic wine).
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It's OK
 
Most people I know don't drink because they want to get drunk. Many people enjoy the taste of a good red wine with dinner. Others a beer while watching baseball and having a burger.
 
Have you read The Qur’an, Logikon?

“A cup from a gushing spring is brought round from them, white, delicious to the drinkers, wherein there is no headache nor are they made mad thereby” (Surah 37, verses 45-47, Pickthall)

Certainly we can drink grape juice.
 
Most people I know don't drink because they want to get drunk. Many people enjoy the taste of a good red wine with dinner. Others a beer while watching baseball and having a burger.

Does that make it any better? You might as well say, "Most people I know don't take acid so that they can trip. They just take a tiny little bit so that they can get a little bit of a low-plateau buzz from it while they're going about their routine at home." Or, "None of my friends down enough Demerol so that they're stuck in bed acting like zombies for six hours. They just take three times what the doctor prescribed or so. It doesn't really get in the way." A drug is a drug is a drug. Sure alcohol is more legal than most--but in America that's only because the government has already tried and failed miserably to make outlawing it stick in the past. And we're talking about common sense and ethics, not legalities.
 
You are comparing a glass of wine with dinner to taking acid or abusing prescription drugs? I don't see the connection. I assume you have never had a glass of wine?
 
What intoxicates in high amount is forbidden in small amount and as already stated yes it does have little benefits but the SIN is greater than the benefit.
You do it because :Allah::swt: said so, and for no other reason no matter how convincing or compelling that reason maybe!

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Qul in kuntum tuhibboona Allaha faittabiAAoonee yuhbibkumu Allahu wayaghfir lakum thunoobakum waAllahu ghafoorun raheemun​
3:31 Say: "If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

If you love :Allah::swt: and know that he only commands good, then you don't have to spend a lifetime in justification of his commandments!

best,
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gord said:
You are comparing a glass of wine with dinner to taking acid or abusing prescription drugs? I don't see the connection. I assume you have never had a glass of wine?
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Remember that all alcoholics have some day started by "one innocent glass of wine".
 
gord said:
Most people I know don't drink because they want to get drunk. Many people enjoy the taste of a good red wine with dinner. Others a beer while watching baseball and having a burger.
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I know. I drank different kind of alcoholic beverages, depend on my purpose to drink, to get drunk or just to enjoy the hanging out time.

But Alhamdulillah, now I never drink alcoholic beverages again. There are many kind of non-alcoholic beverages that I can enjoy. So, if I have many permissible choice, why should I drink something that forbidden in my religion?

 
sister harb said:
Remember that all alcoholics have some day started by "one innocent glass of wine".
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Not everyone who has one glass becomes an alcoholic. Just like not all people to take pain killers become addicted to them or not everyone who eats some cheeseburgers become a glutton.

I of course understand that it is forbidden in Islam to consume alcohol, and that is fine. Just saw a lot of threads on here where people (who I assume have never drank) assume people just drink to get drunk and that's it. Just wanted to correct that myth.
 
You are comparing a glass of wine with dinner to taking acid or abusing prescription drugs? I don’t see the connection. I assume you have never had a glass of wine?

I’ve already made it quite explicit that I was comparing it only with completely equivalent amounts and effect levels from those same drugs—and yet all you see is the drugs in question themselves. Your cultural biases are showing. We are taught by society to believe that alcohol isn’t really a drug, except maybe in some purely pedantic, semantic way, but all objective scientific fact says otherwise. In fact it is in some ways worse than many conventional drugs like abused prescription painkillers. Just to prove how biased you are, your assumption is blind and wrong: I have, in my lesser days, abused alcohol, painkillers, and hallucinogens. In fact I can't be altogether certain I've never been on them all at the same time.

Not everyone who has one glass becomes an alcoholic. Just like not all people to take pain killers become addicted to them or not everyone who eats some cheeseburgers become a glutton.

But why have that one glass? Why take such a massive risk when all there ever is to be gained by it is a forty-five-minute-long fuzzy feeling?
 
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Assalamu alaikum. Even if someone's intent is to just have a drink or two in a social setting or with a meal and not for the purposes of becoming intoxicated and even if the end result is that the alcohol is not enough to render intoxication, it is still haram. Alcohol is not needed to survive in most cases. I assume it would be permitted in a life threatening emergency such as someone bleeding severely and using topical alcohol as an anesthetic or drinking it until they can get to life-saving water. Someone who is more knowledgable in this area can please correct me if I'm wrong.