Atheists are polytheists in disguise

[muslim dude]

bismillahir-rahmanir-rahim

In the Name of Allah, the Most Merciful, the Most Kind
Peace and Blessings be upon Muhammad, the Messenger of Allah and the seal of the prophets.

This is basically my opinion piece and as a human, am always capable of making mistakes. So I hope no one feels insulted and if they feel this piece has been unjustly insulting to them, then I can only offer my apologies and willingness to learn from any mistakes.

So do remember that any mistakes I make here and elsewhere are my fault and any good I state is from Allah.

Part 1

Throughout the history of humans, atheists, by which I mean those that actively deny the existence of the Creator and Sustainer of all creations a.k.a. God were in the minority.

This is because no matter the scientific knowledge, the technological level and cultural awareness of a nation, they worked out that everything pointed to the existence of a single Creator and Sustainer of all creations... i.e. the fact that we can look at objects nowadays, and verify that their was a point in time when these objects did not exist. Even, if we could not, we can then examine the behaviour of objects, thus verify that they are operating in a non-random manner, thus implying the existence of a higher being that is controlling all of creations in a manner that He (God) chooses.

(Qur'an, Chapter 43 (Az-Zukhruf - The Gold Adornments): 9)
"And indeed if you ask them, 'Who has created the heavens and the earth?" They will surely say: "The All-Mighty, the All-Knower created them.'"


Then, right from the very first man Adaam (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), Messengers of God were sent to every nation with the message that only God was worthy of worship and no creation should ever be associated as partner to God.

(Qur'an, Chapter 43 (Az-Zukhruf - The Gold Adornments): 9)
"And verily, We have sent among every Ummah (community, nation) a Messenger (proclaiming): 'Worship Allâh (Alone), and avoid Tâghût (all false deities, etc. i.e. do not worship Tâghût besides Allâh).' Then of them were some whom Allâh guided and of them were some upon whom the straying was justified. So travel through the land and see what was the end of those who denied (the truth)."


Ok, lets fast forward to ancient Roman empire and the teachings of Jesus (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). Jesus (pbuh) was the last messenger sent to children of Is'rael specifically and was the second to last of the approx. 124K messengers of Allah. Again, the message of Jesus (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was the same as all the other prophets...

(Qur'an, Chapter 16 (An-Nahl - The Bee): 36)
"'Verily, Allâh! He is my Lord and your Lord. So worship Him (Alone). This is the Straight Path'"


Even though, Jesus (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was really just sent to the children of Is'rael specifically, Christian scholars do claim that his followers were instructed to spread the message that there is only One God and only God is the one worthy of worship. La ilaha illallah!

Of course, the Roman empire didn't mind the message being restricted to only the children of Is'rael, but they were getting concerned when it started spreading to the masses thanks to the courageous actions of the disciples...

...why the concern? Does it matter that some people will not associate creations as partners to the One who created all creations (who we in the west called God)? I mean, they will still pay all taxes and so forth even if they don't follow the official religion of the state.

However, the big implication of monotheism is just that. La ilaha illallah! There is no one worthy of worship except God! This meant that the people that believed in this had to follow the teachings of the messengers of God, which in this case is the teachings of Jesus (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). So in effect, they would implement the shariah that's contained in the Gospel and Torah (i.e. the shariah that was revealed to Moses (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)).

So now a problem presented itself to the Roman Emperor. If he accepts monotheism, he can only act as a caretaker, only implementing the revealed shariah (i.e. khalifah) and does not have any say interms of legislation according to his whims and desire, thus not really remaining an emperor. People who do not really truly believe in God and the hearafter will find it very, very hard to resist the worldly riches, which explains why he chose the other option to oppress and persecute the monotheist Christians in a vain attempt to stop the message in a way dictators usually do.

(Qur'an, Chapter 10 (Yunus-Jonah): 7-8),
"As for those who do not expect to meet Us and are content with the life of this world and at rest in it, and those who are heedless of Our Signs, their shelter will be the Fire because of what they earned"


(Qur'an, Chapter 11 (Hud - (The Prophet) Hud): 15-16)
"Whosoever desires the life of the world and its glitter; to them We shall pay in full (the wages of) their deeds therein, and they will have no diminution therein."
"They are those for whom there is nothing in the Hereafter but Fire; and vain are the deeds they did therein. And of no effect is that which they used to do."

 

[muslim dude]

Part 2

The Roman Emperor's plan to stop the monotheist is not working... this message of "There is no one worthy of worship except God" is spreading. What can the Roman Emperor do to convince his subjects that he should also have some power?!

Books were burned, pure places of monotheist worship (synagogues and churches) were destroyed and monotheist Christian and Jews (especially the scholars) were brutally murdered. As well as the fear created in upholding the rule of the law of the ancient Roman state, the knowledge disappeared which meant confusion spread amongst the mass followers of the teachings of Jesus (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him).

Perhaps the original written gospel (if indeed the original gospel was ever written down?) was lost at this point and the original teachings of Jesus (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) were being preached by the few faithful remaining Christian and Jewish scholars.

However, added to mix, were "scholars" with "dodgy concepts and ideas" both independent and sponsored by the ancient Roman empire which further spread confusion. The most famous of these people is the one known as "St Paul" (boo, hiss in a pantomime style ). This resulted in many gospels that contained so many of the innovations and false concepts appearing in the land. Each sect ended up with their own version of the gospel.

(Qur'an, Chapter 43 (Az-Zukhruf - The Gold Adornments): 65)
But the sects from among themselves differed. So woe to those who do wrong (by ascribing things to 'Iesa (Jesus) that are not true) from the torment of a painful Day (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)!


The main ideas were:

1) Acclaiming divinity to creation. Of course this was the hardest concept for St Paul to pull off as there were scholars who had enough knowledge of the original gospels to refute St Paul in that. St Paul mainly relied on the lay peoples deep love for Jesus (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and twisting the words of the original gospel to suit his purposes.

Example 1 - "son of God" in Hebrew/Aramaic was commonly understood to mean "slave of God" but St Paul confused the people who did not have knowledge of the language that it really meant a "biological son". It looks like the peoples deep love of Jesus (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) made them exaggerate the status of Jesus (pbuh) and made them susceptible to this clearly false notion.

Example 2 - Knowledgeable scholars knew that "Holy Spirit" really referred to the Angel Gabriel (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) but St Paul took advantage of lay peoples ignorance, and changed that to mean the literal "Spirit of God".

Thus we have the birth of the so called "holy trinity". It can be noticed, a few man-made verses to support this interpretation were thrown in for good measure. St Paul, went even further and stated that "Holy Spirit" can visit very pious people and actually visited him.

This following concept is very important. St Paul now stated that all previous laws of God have been abrogated and Christians no longer had to follow the shariah of the bible as the so called sacrifice of Jesus (pbuh) means all their sins were forgiven and now they were guaranteed paradise no matter what they did or who they followed. What was his evidence? Well, he said that he was visited by God in the form of the "Holy Spirit"...

St Paul and others like him managed to convince a lot of people of his ideas.

(Qur'an, Chapter 2 (Al-Baqarah: The Cow): 79)
"Then woe to these who write the book with their own hands and then say 'This is from Allah', to purchase with it a little price! Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they will earn thereby"


The Roman Emperor was jumping from joy at this turn of events. Now, he has found his champion in St Paul, which is to change monotheistic Christianity to something where creations were given part of divinity. From the Roman Emperor's point of view, it was only a matter of time before divinity given to "dead" unseen creations were passed on to "alive" creations i.e. himself. This is how the Roman Emperor will maintain his rule and also contain the threat of the original teachings of Jesus (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) which was La ilaha illallah!

 

[muslim dude]

Part 3

However, the true Christians were not going to take it lying down and the various sects including the ones with better understanding of Jesus's (pbuh) original teachings fought against each other. However, the might of the Roman Empire proved too much and although the Empire couldn't eliminate Christianity, it had thrown enough resources to ensure St Paul's slant on the original teachings was dominant.

In the end, after decades of bitter struggle, "peace" conferences were held by the Roman Empire to allow the scholars of the various sects of Christianity to come to a common understanding. One such conference was the (in)famous Nicea held in AD325. No surprise to learn that St Paul's views were mostly adopted and this brand of Christianity was so beloved by the Roman Emperor, that he declared it the official state religion, and this religion was called Roman Universal Church better known by it's Latin name of Roman Catholic Church.

The scholars of this new Christianity were indeed very well paid, inorder to spread and maintain these concepts including holy trinity and crucifiction. Since these doctrinal changes allowed priests to assign divinity to creations, the priests eventually gave themselves the rights to "make up" legislations on behalf of God, rather than following the revealed shariah which was the original teachings of Jesus (peace be upon him). This was fine with the Roman Emperor as it allowed him power over the physical world, whilst the Roman catholic priests ensured no one can challenge their authority by ruthlessly denouncing any opposition to their authority as heretics. The Roman Emperor expressed this "separation of the church and state" as follows:

[King James Bible: Book of Mark chapter 12 verse 17]
"And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him."

Still, the true followers of Jesus (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) managed to ensure that some Good News did remain in those modified gospels... this is the glad tidings of the final messenger of God yet to come with clear signs on recognising the seal of the prophets (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him).

(Qur'an, Chapter 2 (Al-Baqarah: The Cow): 146)
"Those to whom We gave the Scripture (Jews and Christians) recognise him as they recognise their sons. But verily, a party of them conceal the truth while they know it"


Also, they ensured that future generations would recognise that those current day gospels are not the Word of God as originally revealed to Jesus (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and have been corrupted by men:

[Bible: Jeremiah chapter 8 verse 8]
"How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?"

So, the elite were happy with the material power they retained from this new brand of Christianity and the priests were happy to support these elites with the modifications to the original teachings of Jesus (pbuh). It certainly helped that the priests got a piece of the material pie. Of course, the claim being made is not that they did not believe in God, it was just that they compromised worshipping God alone due their love of this world by giving themselves the divine right of legislation.

((Qur'an, Chapter 9 (Al-Taubah: The Repentance): 31)
"They took their rabbis and their monks to be their lords besides Allah, and Messiah, son of Maryam, while they were commanded to worship none but One God. None is worthy of worship but He. Glorified is He from having the partners they associate"

 

[muslim dude]

Part 4

Now lets fast forward a few more centuries to what the Europeans called "post-enlightenment" period. The Roman Catholic priests rigorously enforced their version of the gospels to the masses to avoid them thinking about the contradictions in their modified gospels. In the past, these priests may have also modified the gospels with the scientific knowledge of the day in order to cement their authority of the masses and to stop them thinking about the contradictions within these texts. However, recent scientific discoveries and theories put forward during that time did not correspond to the modified gospels. This led to a backlash led by academics and merchants who felt upset by the intellectual and material restrictions imposed on them by the church. So they started spreading their ideas (supported by the powers of the day who were also a little bit too concerned on how their powers will be diluted by the authority of the church) to the masses backing them up with scientific data showing how certain parts of the gospels did not correspond with the reality. Thus the authority of the church was so weakened over time that they have split up into two camps. One who rejected science completely and withdrawn from society, i.e. monasticism. The other group blindly accepted everything they were told by the these anti-church academics even if the ideas went against the oneness of God. How ironic! The priests who were entrusted by God to preserve the gospels modified it so much to gain the wealth, power and status of this world ended up as the laughing stock of this world, mercilessly mocked by the anti-church academics.

Of course, no matter what the state of the so called leaders of religion in the west, people still by default believed in God. It is the only logical and scientific explanation of how the world came about and just because some parts of the gospels contained contradictions and scientific inaccuracies, this was rather the fault of the christian leaders who failed in their duty to God to preserve the gospels rather than any negativity in the notion of the oneness of God. The anti-church groups knew that as long as people realised the importance of worshipping God, the authority of the church will never be broken and so resolved to come up with explanations that in their mind meant that God will not have to be mentioned ever again.

Why was this important to them? They never wanted to ever have God's law enforced upon them. They believed men should be free to follow whatever they want and this meant that God should not be be worshipped anymore. In short, these anti-church groups defined themselves as atheists and secularists claiming they denied the existence of God or that God is not meant to be worshipped alone (the latter are also known as agnostics).

(Qur'an, Chapter 35 (): 40) "Say (O Muhammad ): 'Tell me or inform me (what) do you think about your (so-called) partner-gods to whom you call upon besides Allâh, show me, what they have created of the earth? Or have they any share in the heavens? Or have We given them a Book, so that they act on clear proof therefrom? Nay, the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong*doers, etc.) promise one another nothing but delusions.'")!"


Of course, as science tells us that there was a point in time when we did not exist, and after a point in time we did! Hence the the existence of a Creator and Sustainer that has to be explained in such a way that the masses will only ever submit to the law of men rather than the law of God.

 

[muslim dude]

Conclusion

Now of course they were not the first group of people to follow this philosophy in history, as we all know. The others included ancient Greeks, Romans and Hindus and now we have the atheists!

What did all these people have in common?

They were polytheists meaning that they in some way or other associated creation as partners with God. Sure, most people will accept that the ancient Greeks, pre-christian romans and hindus are polytheists - although they believed in God, the Creator and Sustainer.

(Qur'an, Chapter 43 (Az-Zukhruf - The Gold Adornments): 87)
"And if you ask them who created them, they will surely say: "Allâh". How then are they turned away (from the worship of Allâh)"


The mistake that was made was they gave attributes of God to creation, stating that God needed to delegate to helpers. This concept arose because they said God was everything so all creations were part of God. Some like the hindus even said that "good" humans will achieve success by becoming part of God (they called God, "Brahma") when they die "thus breaking the cycle of re-incarnation".

This meant logically everything is worthy of worship as everything is part of God which is in reality the total opposite of monotheism. I think Dr Zakir Naik summed it up brilliantly when he said the difference between muslims and hindus is an apostrophe. This is that hindus believe everything is God whereas muslims believe everything is God's.

Again, lets think about this verse:

(Qur'an, Chapter 43 (Az-Zukhruf - The Gold Adornments): 87)
"And if you ask them who created them, they will surely say: "Allâh". How then are they turned away (from the worship of Allâh)"


Believing in God, The Creator and Sustainer of all the exists, is indeed the default disposition ("fitra" in arabic) for human beings. There is just no logical and scientifically credible explanation of that fact that there was a time when the worlds did not exist, and then a time when the worlds has come into existence.

So what the atheists have done is to follow their predecessors. Those who wanted to submit to the will of man rather than the Will of God by claiming God is everything, thus everything is worthy of worship including man. Of course, they did not want to use the term God, because if they did that, then it would still give the christian church some authority, because some of the christians seemed to have adopted this polytheistic attitude to God by giving divinity to (Jesus and "Holy Ghost" a.k.a. Angel Gabriel (peace and blessings be upon them both and Subhanallah, both are innocent of this greatest crime), St Paul and Roman Emperors, Kings and Archbishops, Popes and Prime Ministers, Priests and Politicians etc.)

((Qur'an, Chapter 9 (Al-Taubah: The Repentance): 31)
"They took their rabbis and their monks to be their lords besides Allah, and Messiah, son of Maryam, while they were commanded to worship none but One God. None is worthy of worship but He. Glorified is He from having the partners they associate"


(Qur'an, Chapter 43 (Az-Zukhruf - The Gold Adornments): 82)
"Glorified be the Lord of the heavens and the earth, the Lord of the Throne! Exalted be He from all that they ascribe (to Him)"


(Qur'an, Chapter 27 (An-Naml - The Ants): 60) "Is not He (better than your gods) Who created the heavens and the earth, and sends down for you water (rain) from the sky, whereby We cause to grow wonderful gardens full of beauty and delight? It is not in your ability to cause the growth of their trees. Is there any ilâh (god) with Allâh? Nay, but they are a people who ascribe equals (to Him)!"

The atheists also follows the same concept of God as the hindus, which was to combine the Creator and the creation into one entity. They used the same name that was used by the ancient Greek polytheistic philosophers, which were their forerunners. What is this name? Nature.

This is what they called the higher being who created and sustained this world. By combining the creation with the Creator meant to them that they can do what they like, totally ignoring the fact when they die they will have to account for their time in this world. This is why I feel atheists are polytheists in disguise.

(Qur'an, Chapter 39 (Az-Zumar - The Groups): 67) "They made not a just estimate of Allâh such as is due to Him. And on the Day of Resurrection the whole of the earth will be grasped by His Hand and the heavens will be rolled up in His Right Hand. Glorified is He, and High is He above all that they associate as partners with Him!"

 

[HeiGou]

This is what they called the higher being who created and sustained this world. By combining the creation with the Creator meant to them that they can do what they like, totally ignoring the fact when they die they will have to account for their time in this world. This is why I feel atheists are polytheists in disguise.

So basically the author is saying, Islam is right, everything else is wrong, I don't like atheism therefore atheists must be Hindus?

Have I missed a subtlety here?

 

[root]

And muslims are just christians in disguise I guess. ;D

 

[Skillganon]

I think the poster is going somewhere with this!

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

So basically the author is saying, Islam is right, everything else is wrong, I don't like atheism therefore atheists must be Hindus?

That seems to be the thrust of it!

Clearly a lot of effort has gone into producing this article, but it's got all sorts of problems with it. The structure is badly in need of some attention. It appears to be intended as an article about atheists, but atheists aren't mentioned until the essay is nearly over. There are huge passages which don't seem to be related to the title at all (e.g. the huge precis of the history of Christianity).

Perhaps if some actual argument was included, rather than the lengthy accumulation of facts, the essay would be more effective. Also, having only one text to quote from and include in the bibliography will not win the author any marks for academic rigour.

Peace

 

[muslim dude]

So basically the author is saying, Islam is right, everything else is wrong, I don't like atheism therefore atheists must be Hindus?

Just to give you some insight to overcome your confusion...

The gist of the article is not that atheists are hindus (well unless you are a atheist living in India...) but you share the same polytheistic notion of God.

For example, a monotheist scientist would say the Sun, the Moon and this world came into existence by the Will of God where as a polytheistic scientist would say the Sun came into existence by its own will, the Moon came into existence by its own will and this world came into existence by its own will. This is shirk (polytheism) pure and simple. They are just created objects and could not have bought themselves into existence. No creation could have come into existence had it not been by the Will of the Creator and Sustainer, the Lord of all that exists.


(Qur'an, Chapter 35 (Fatir - The Originator): 40) "Say (O Muhammad ): 'Tell me or inform me (what) do you think about your (so-called) partner-gods to whom you call upon besides Allâh, show me, what they have created of the earth? Or have they any share in the heavens? Or have We given them a Book, so that they act on clear proof therefrom? Nay, the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong-doers, etc.) promise one another nothing but delusions.'")!"

Have I missed a subtlety here?

All this is about a battle between two contradictory ideas.

1) One idea is monotheism where we truly worship our Creator alone and do not associate any creations as partners with Him.

2+) The other idea which you seem to ascribe to is where you setup rivals with God. You state that the creations does things out of its own accord without the need of a Creator and Sustainer. This is in essense polytheism. This is the reason why I feel atheists are in reality polytheists.

 

[muslim dude]

And muslims are just christians in disguise I guess. ;D

You are not too far from the truth except it will be more accurate to state that muslims are the true inheritors of Jesus Christ (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) as we are the main group that follows his original teachings without taking on board the modifications by these with vested interests such as St Paul's. And what was the true teachings of Jesus (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). It was the following:


(Qur'an, Chapter 16 (An-Nahl - The Bee): 36)
"'Verily, Allâh! He is my Lord and your Lord. So worship Him (Alone). This is the Straight Path'"

 

[muslim dude]

There are huge passages which don't seem to be related to the title at all (e.g. the huge precis of the history of Christianity).

The reason why the history of Christianity was delved into was to make people aware that atheism's rise in Europe was a reaction against the clergy of Christendom who compromised on Jesus's (pbuh) original teachings to worship God alone for worldly gain. The rise of atheism (polytheism) in present day has nothing to do with the so called technological advances, but rather is political in origin and it all begun when believers compromised on worshipping God. And its not even the first time this happened. It has happened throughout history, for example the arab pagans whose ancestors used to follow the monotheistic teachings of Ismail (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him).

(Qur'an, Chapter 43 (Az-Zukhruf - The Gold Adornments): 9)
"And verily, We have sent among every Ummah (community, nation) a Messenger (proclaiming): 'Worship Allâh (Alone), and avoid Tâghût (all false deities, etc. i.e. do not worship Tâghût besides Allâh).' Then of them were some whom Allâh guided and of them were some upon whom the straying was justified. So travel through the land and see what was the end of those who denied (the truth)."

Also, having only one text to quote from and include in the bibliography will not win the author any marks for academic rigour.

LOL you want the muslims to give up quoting from the Qur'an? You have a better chance of getting America to give up its nukes first!

Subhanallah, look how Allah's revelation 1400 years ago is totally destroying the modern-day arguments of those who setup rivals to Allah!

(Qur'an, Chapter 2 (Al-Baqarah: The Cow): 22)
"Who has made the earth a resting place for you, and the sky as a canopy, and sent down water (rain) from the sky and brought forth therewith fruits as a provision for you. Then do not set up rivals unto Allâh (in worship) while you know (that He Alone has the right to be worshipped)."

(Qur'an, Chapter 2 (Al-Baqarah: The Cow): 165)
"And of mankind are some who take others besides Allâh as rivals. They love them as they love Allâh. But those who believe, love Allâh more. If only, those who do wrong could see, when they will see the torment, that all power belongs to Allâh and that Allâh is Severe in punishment"


You know what? The banner of monotheism has passed on to the muslims from the christians who tripped up due to the glitter of this world. Indeed it is up to the muslims to spread this call of La ilaha illallah! There is no one worthy of worship except God! And indeed the muslims will strive with this message until the day of judgement.

Isn't it time you stopped worshipping creations and worship God alone? You have some time to make the decision... ...although be quick... for you only have as much time as Allah gives permission for your heart to beat.

(Qur'an, Chapter 17 (Al-Isra: The Journey by Night): 15)
"Whoever goes right, then he goes right only for the benefit of his ownself. And whoever goes astray, then he goes astray to his own loss. No one laden with burdens can bear another's burden. And We never punish until We have sent a Messenger (to give warning)."

 

[Skillganon]

brother muslim dude. may I add that for most atheist money, pleasure, power, e.t.c has replaced God.
The worship material. Man-Made thing, like the polytheist worshiping idols (man-made).

 

[czgibson]

Greetings Muslim Dude,

The reason why the history of Christianity was delved into was to make people aware that atheism's rise in Europe was a reaction against the clergy of Christendom who compromised on Jesus's (pbuh) original teachings to worship God alone for worldly gain.

This could be a possible reason for the rise of atheism, but if so it's certainly not the only one. People witnessing the corruption of the Church throughout its history may well have been turned off established religion for that reason, but the roots of philosophical atheism go much deeper than that.

The idea that Enlightenment thinkers like Voltaire and Hume might have adopted atheism because they felt that the Christian clergy had strayed too far away from Jesus' message to humanity is quite bizarre, to say the least.

The rise of atheism (polytheism) in present day has nothing to do with the so called technological advances, but rather is political in origin and it all begun when believers compromised on worshipping God.

What do you mean by compromised?

LOL you want the muslims to give up quoting from the Qur'an?

No. When did I ever say that?

My point was simple. If you quote from one text, you've got one point of view. If you can back that up with arguments and ideas from other texts, your position will be much stronger. Why not quote from a few other books as well as the Qur'an?

Subhanallah, look how Allah's revelation 1400 years ago is totally destroying the modern-day arguments of those who setup rivals to Allah!

Any evidence for this?

While I'm here, I'd like to give my thoughts as an atheist on this bizarre notion that I am, in fact, a polytheist. I've been called many things in my life, but this is the first time I've been called a polytheist. Let's look at what the word means:

polu- (Greek) = many
theos (Greek) = god

So, someone who worships many gods.

What is a god? Here we are (from dictionary.com):

god
n.
1. God
(1. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.
2. The force, effect, or a manifestation or aspect of this being.)
2. A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality.
3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol.
4. One that is worshiped, idealized, or followed: Money was their god.
5. A very handsome man.
6. A powerful ruler or despot.

Of these definitions, 1 and 2 are literal, 3 is a transferred ostensive definition, and 4,5 and 6 are metaphorical. A polytheist, strictly speaking, is someone who worships many beings of type 1 and 2. I do not believe any such beings exist, so how, then, am I a polytheist?

Peace

 

[Skillganon]

Atheist probably hit 4. and 5, but replace that with a women i.e. pleasure! maybe 5 aswell, certainly some do idolize their powerful ruler. Image of supernatural being is creation itself, you worship creation. i.e. polytheist.

Atheist religiouse dogma maybe considered secularism. capitalism, communism e.t.c as it's creed.

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

Atheist probably hit 4. and 5, but replace that with a women i.e. pleasure! maybe 5 aswell, certainly some do idolize their powerful ruler. Image of supernatural being is creation itself, you worship creation. i.e. polytheist.

I'm not sure you've understood. Let's try this again:

A polytheist, strictly speaking, is someone who worships many beings of type 1 and 2.

Since atheists don't believe that any beings of type 1 and 2 exist, how can atheists be polytheists?

Atheist religiouse dogma maybe considered secularism. capitalism, communism e.t.c as it's creed.

Those are ideologies. I suppose you could call them 'religious dogma' if you wanted to, but first you'd have to explain what you mean by religious dogma.

Peace

 

[Joe98]

To any ancient Romans here: There are no gods.

To the rest of you: There is no god.

The only "evidence" of a god that any of you put forward is the words written in the various "holy" books - which themselves were written by men.

The other evidence you give is the classic "the flowers are so beautiful they had to be made by a supernatural being".

If there is a god then he killed almost 400,000 people in the last 3 years or so. And most would have been believers. Only the non-believers were spared.

Why doesn't he raise then from the dead? The classic answer: "because god works in mysterious ways".

 

[Skillganon]

Since atheists don't believe that any beings of type 1 and 2 exist, how can atheists be polytheists?
Peace

well, I seen some atheist worship footballer's bowing down to them when they definetely know he is not the creator, also the worship money, materialism e.t.c even when they know it is not "the God."

Polytheist also may know an idol is not god, but they worship it, they know that what they baked with their hand did not create them but they worship it.

In the point of athiest their being will be their own existence without being need for being created, a mere chance, being in their perpetual state of denial "of being a creator".

 

[iLL_LeaT]

There is no “evidence” that conclusively supports or rejects the existence of god. However, to completely deny the existence of God makes you just as close minded as someone who refuses believe there could be no God. How can someone who refuses to acknowledge the possibility there could be a God see the world from the point of view of a religious person, and vice versa?

Hmmmm How?

 

[Joe98]

There is no “evidence” that conclusively supports or rejects the existence of god.

The word “conclusively” is misleading. There is no evidence of a god. If you have evidence that is inconclusive please point us to it.

How can someone who refuses to acknowledge the possibility there could be a God see the world from the point of view of a religious person, and vice versa?

I came from a religious background and so I understand. But you make a great point! I will use this point in my quest to make everybody believers in Atheism!