Bible: Beat your Kids, dont spare them the Rod

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I believe in God but I don't believe in the use of religious text when it calls for the removal of common sense. One must remember to when these texts were written and what might have been common way of life fifteen hundred to two thousand years ago is not necessary today. I can count on one hand the amount of times I was struck (spanked) as a child. I was not beaten for I was loved, shown respect, and provided a disciplined environment. My father never struck his wife, nor my mother ever struck her husband. They provide to each other a loving and respectful environment. To beat a child or a spouse is an act of cowardliness for if one must lower themselves to such an act they themselves should be struck, but not by force, but by reason and shown that what they do is nothing more than a form of bullying, shown that they are weaker in mind and heart then those they strike.
 
I will not beat my children. I will spank them at a young age, happened to me, I turned out fine, loving my parents. I will not beat them though, it's not going to work. I know my sons will probably have testosterone boosts at 16ish, and try to fight me, but I will do what my dad did to me. Simply show them just cause I am old, I am not weak (we didn't fight, or even get physical, but I seen him pick up stuff, and decided 6"2 275, vs 5"6 189, just isn't a fight).

My children will be taught discipline at a young age, and will not need beatings.
 
I have read that sheep herders during the time of Jesus used rods to guide their sheep, keep them altogether and count them.

Another example of the very poetic speech used in the Holy Bible.
 
_ALI_ said:
Salam
You defined beating as violent, repeated and spurred out of anger. Note that the following verse of the bible uses the term "beat"
Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. Proverbs 23:14
And what about the treatment of slaves according to the given link?
If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property. (Exodus 20:20-21)
As for the beating of slaves in Islam
(Book 15, Number 4088:
Sahih Muslim)
Abu Mas’ud al-Ansari reported: When I was beating my servant, I heard a voice behind me (saying): Abu Mas’ud, bear in mind Allah has more dominance over you than you have upon him. I turned and (found him) to be Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him). I said: Allah’s Messenger, I set him free for the sake of Allah. Thereupon he said: Had you not done that, (the gates of) Hell would have opened for you, or the fire would have burnt you.
Peace
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Salaam y'akhi. Please don't hate me... :-) I love you for the sake of Allah [swt], but...

haha there is always a but after saying something nice... :-)

But I don't feel this is a fair approach to our Christian brethren. To hold up the most harsh verse of the Bible and compare it to one of the more beautiful teachings of Islam is not really fair, and really, what would it accomplish?

There are harsh verses of the Qu'ran, and harsh sayings of our Prophet Muhammad [saas], which are part of a greater sacred Law and context that must be understood fully, and it would not be fair if a Christian compared those to very beautiful verses from the Bible [even from the Jewish scripture, what christians call the 'Old Testament' -which you are here quoting- there are many beautiful teachings to be found]... we would object to that wholeheartedly.

Let us all try to be fair in our critiques, because this is the standard to which we are called. Allah [swt] says to us in the Qu'ran: “You are the best nation produced [as an example] for mankind [that is, for everyone, not just other Muslims, but Jews, Christians, etc.] You enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and believe in Allaah…” [Quran 3: 110]

And I say this to my self way before i say it to anyone else, in a spirit of understanding and mutual respect. :-)
 
I have diciplined my children in the past, for example, jordan, my son, bit his twin sister jayda on the shoulder while playing in the garden, they were fighting over the swing! so, i smacked his behind and sent him to his room, i didnt smack him so hard he limped! or fell over, i smacked him him hard enough to know what he did to his sister was very wrong, but soft enough that it wasnt stinging for days!! he has never done it since and i dont think he would, he also came out of his room went straight up to his sister hugged and said sorry i love you really! so he learnt, and jayda watched so she knows what would happen if she did it!
 
buddy1 said:
I have diciplined my children in the past, for example, jordan, my son, bit his twin sister jayda on the shoulder while playing in the garden, they were fighting over the swing! so, i smacked his behind and sent him to his room, i didnt smack him so hard he limped! or fell over, i smacked him him hard enough to know what he did to his sister was very wrong, but soft enough that it wasnt stinging for days!! he has never done it since and i dont think he would, he also came out of his room went straight up to his sister hugged and said sorry i love you really! so he learnt, and jayda watched so she knows what would happen if she did it!
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ha! all's well that ends well. I bet theyll be fighting by again by tomorrow ;D
 
Just because it goes along with the general topic of the forum, I believe it was Ali ibn Abu Talib [raa], nephew to our beloved Prophet Muhammad [saas], and the 4th of the Khalifah Rashidun [4 rightly guided ones], who advised Muslims to spoil their children for the first 7 years, train them [i.e. discipline them] for the next 7 years, and befriend them for the next 7 years.

I believe there is much wisdom in this advice. I was reading a Yahoo News article that said that children who are physically disciplined before the age of 7 are more likely to have anger issues according to studies. So perhaps it is good advice to spoil them [within reason, of course] for the first 7 years, and then, spend the next 7 years training them, when they are more mature, and thus, by the time they are teenagers, you have spoiled them, so they love you, and you have disciplined them, so they respect you, and at that critical juncture, by befriending them, then they have a fulfilled relationship with you that has come full circle.

Just my two riyals. ;-)
 

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