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Am totally confused.

For example, I shook someone's hand and they told me something along the lines of 'brother, brother thats bid'ah' and I was like what? and he said don't shake people's hand with two hands, meaning I used one hand to shake his hand normally but I also used the other hand to just 'hold' I don't knw how to explain it.

kinda like this:



So am confused, what is bid'ah what have the scholars said it is.
 
what's wrong with shaking his hand, you are the same gender right?

Hmm

Interesting!

Biddah = innovation, usually, added stuff on real stuff, duno wah scholars say sowi!

AsalamuAlaykum.
 
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As Salaamu Alaykum,

The Prophet salallaahu 'alayhi wasallam shook the hands of the sahaabah/companions in The Bay'at of Ridhwaan and other Bay'aat..
so i don't think that this is Bi'dah wallaahu A'lam!!

Read here for the definiton of Al-Bid'ah:

Linguistically Bid'ah (innovation) means 'a newly invented matter'.

The Sharee'ah definition of Bid'ah is: "A newly invented way [beliefs or action] in the religion, in imitation of the Sharee'ah (prescribed Law), by which nearness to Allaah is sought, [but] not being supported by any authentic proof - neither in its foundations, nor in the manner in which it is performed."
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Hope that helps InshaAllah!
 
Jzakhala sista,

so much more easier to understand ur posts!

 
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Linguistically Bid'ah (innovation) means 'a newly invented matter'.

The Sharee'ah definition of Bid'ah is: "A newly invented way [beliefs or action] in the religion, in imitation of the Sharee'ah (prescribed Law), by which nearness to Allaah is sought, [but] not being supported by any authentic proof - neither in its foundations, nor in the manner in which it is performed." Al-I'tisaam of ash-Shaatibee (1/37).
Allahu Alam, but I think that shaking hands that way does not fit the shari' definition of Bid'ah, so Inshallah you should be ok. But the better thing to do would be to ask a scholor Inshallah.

Read more about Bid'ah and the evil of it here:

BIDAH (INNOVATIONS in Allaah's religion)

Hadith: Rejection of Evil Deeds and Innovations

Innovation in the Light of the Perfection of the Shariah by Shaykh Muhammad ibn Sâlih al-'Uthaymîn (d. 1421 AH / n/a CE)

There is no such thing as "Good Innovations" in Islam

Bid'ah Hasanah ("Good Innovations")

Detailed discussion of bid’ah and shirk

Mocking innovators

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what's wrong with shaking his hand, you are the same gender right?

Hmm

Interesting!

Biddah = innovation, usually, added crap on real stuff, duno wah scholars say sowi!

AsalamuAlaykum.

Wa Aleykum Salam, the problem sister was that I shook his hand with two of my hands.
 
assalamu alaikum wr wb

Biddah usually relates to matters of worship (3abadaat).

Shaking hands as far as I know is not a matter of worship, but merely a greeting.

Intent is also 1/3 of all of Islamic law, which is based upon the Hadith of Amir AlMoomineen Omar Ibn AlKhattab RAA. (You must know the persons intent or ask them regarding their intent before providing them a ruling)

Many people misunderstand the meaning of biddah and its relationship to Islamic law.

If I decide to eat Cheetos and the Prophet PBUH did not eat cheetos, this is in fact not a biddah.

However, if 30 people in the mosque decide to read each one chapter of the Quran over the dead, then this would be considered a biddah or innovation in the religion, since recitation of Quran is a matter of worship and the Prophet PBUH was commanded to convey the complete message to us and he PBUH has conveyed the message fully, so their is no need for us to innovate.

In regards to your shaking hands as some people do directly after prayer, saying Taqabal Allah (May Allah accept) this has no basis nor evidence in Islam and would be considered a biddah especially if the person who provides the greeting believes or his intent is that this greeting is part of his prayer.

Allah knows best:uhwhat
 
:sl: brothers and sisters.

heres somehthing about shaking hands:

HAzrat Ana (raiallahu anhu) says that a man asked the Holy Prophet (salalahu aleyhi wa salam) 'O messenger of Allah! when any one ofus meet a Muslim brother or a friend then should he bow his head (as a sign of cortesy to him)?' He said: 'No' the man said: 'should he embrace and kiss him. He said: 'No' the man then asked: 'should he clasp his hands?' he said 'Yes' (tirmithi)

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As Salaam Alaikum Wa Rahmat Allah wa Barakatu

I have a question in the area of what is and isn't Bidaa. Over and over again I hear people terming certain actions as Bidaa. I am however confused. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't there a hadith by Prophet Muhammed (SAW) that says that anyone who introduces a new helpful hadith will be rewarded. If this is true, then why are all new inovations frowned upon. Jazak Allah Khul Khayer.


Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly, we should know what "bid'ah" means according to Islamic teaching.

It is defined as: any invented way in religion that is aimed at worshipping or drawing closer to Allaah. This means anything that is not referred to specifically in Sharee'ah, and for which there is no evidence (daleel) in the Qur'aan or Sunnah, and which was not known at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and his Companions. At the same time, it is quite obvious that this definition of religious inventions or innovations, which are condemned, does not include worldly inventions [such as cars and washing machines, etc. - Translator].

If your confusion has to do with an apparent contradiction between the hadeeth narrated by Abu Hurayrah and the hadeeth narrated by Jareer ibn 'Abdullaah, then let us examine these two reports and find out what they mean:

Jareer ibn 'Abdullaah al-Bajali (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: "The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever starts a good thing and is followed by others, will have his own reward and a reward equal to that of those who follow him, without it detracting from their reward in any way. Whoever starts a bad thing and is followed by others, will bear the burden of his own sin and a burden equal to that of those who follow him, without it detracting from their burden in any way.'" (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, no. 2675. He said, This is a saheeh hasan hadeeth)

There is a story behind this hadeeth, which will explain what "whoever starts a good thing" means. Imaam Muslim reported this story from Jareer ibn 'Abdullaah, who also narrated the hadeeth itself. He said: "Some people from the Bedouin came to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), wearing woollen garments. He saw that they were in bad shape and in desperate need, so he urged the people to give them charity. They people were very slow to respond, and it could be seen in his face (that he was upset). Then a man of the Ansaar brought a package of silver, then another came, and another and another, and his face was filled with joy. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever starts a good thing in Islam, and others do likewise after him, there will be written for him a reward like that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their reward. Whoever starts a bad thing in Islam, and others do likewise after him, there will be written for him a burden of sin like that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their burden.'" (Reported by Muslim, no. 1017)

Further explanation may be found in a report recorded by al-Nisaa'i, also from Jareer ibn 'Abdullah, may Allaah be pleased with him, who said: "We were with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) early one day, when some people who were almost naked (not dressed properly) and barefoot, with their swords by their sides, came to him. Most, if not all of them, were of (the tribe of) Mudar. The Messenger's face changed when he saw how poor they were (i.e., he became upset). He went into (his house), then he came out and ordered Bilaal to give the call to prayer. He led the people in prayer, then he addressed them, saying: 'O people, "be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person, and from him He created his wife, and from them both he created many men and women, and fear Allaah through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs (kinship)" [al-Nisaa' 4:1].

"Fear Allaah, and keep your duty to Him. And let every person look to what he has sent forth for the morrow…" [al-Hashr 59:18].

Let a man give charity from his dinars, his dirhams, his clothing, his wheat or his dates - even if it is only half a date.' A man from the Ansaar brought a package which he could hardly carry in his hand, then another and another came, until there were two piles, of food and clothing, and I saw the face of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) beaming with joy. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever starts a good thing in Islam will have his own reward and a reward equal to that of those who follow him, without it detracting in the least from their reward, and whoever starts a bad thing in Islam will have to bear the burden of his own sin and a burden equal to that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their burden. (Reported by al-Nisaa'i in al-Mujtaba: Kitaab al-Zakaat, Bab al-Tahreed 'ala al-Sadaqah).

From the context of the story, it is clear that what is meant by the words "whoever starts a good thing (sunnah hasanah) in Islam" means: Whoever revives a part of the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), or teaches it to others, or commands others to follow it, or acts according to it so that others see him or hear about it and follow his example. This is also indicated by the hadeeth narrated by Abu Hurayrah, may Allaah be pleased with him, who said: "A man came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and he urged the people to give him charity. A man said: 'I have such-and-such,' and there was no person left in the gathering who did not give something in charity to him, whether it was a large amount or a little. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever starts something good, and others follow his lead, will have a complete reward and a reward like that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their reward. Whoever starts something bad, and others follow his lead, will bear a complete burden of sin, and a burden like that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their burden. (Reported by Ibn Maaajah in al-Sunan, no. 204)

It should be clear from the above, with no room for doubt, that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was not allowing innovation in matters of deen (religion), nor was he opening the door to what some people call "bid'ah hasanah," for the following reasons:

1. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stated repeatedly that: "Every newly-invented thing is a bid'ah (innovation), every bid'ah is a going astray, and every going astray will be in the Fire." (Reported by al-Nisaa'i in al-Sunan, Salaat al-'Eedayn, Baab kayfa al-Khutbah). Reports with the same meaning were narrated via Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him) by Ahmad, via al-'Irbaad ibn Saariyah by Abu Dawud and via Ibn Mas'ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) by Ibn Maajah.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to say, when beginning a khutbah (sermon): "… The best of speech is the Book of Allaah and the best of guidance is the guidance of Muhammad. The worst of things are those which are newly-invented, and every innovation is a going astray…" (reported by Muslim, no. 867)

If every bid'ah is a going astray, how can some people then say that there is such a thing in Islam as "bid'ah hasanah"? By Allaah, this is an obvious contradiction of the statement and warning of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).
2. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stated that whoever innovates something new in the deen (religion) will have his deed rejected, and Allaah will not accept it, as is stated in the hadeeth narrated by 'Aa'ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her), who said: "The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever innovates something in this matter of ours that is not a part of it will have it rejected.'" (Reported by al-Bukhaari, Fath al-Baari, no. 2697). How can anybody then say that bid'ah is acceptable and it is permitted to follow it?

3. When a person innovates something and adds to the deen something that does not belong to it, he is implying a number of bad things, each worse than the last, for example:

* That the religion is lacking, that Allaah did not complete and perfect it, and that there is room for improvement. This clearly contradicts the statement in the Qur'aan (interpretation of the meaning): "… This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion…" [al-Maa'idah 5:3]
* That the religion remained imperfect from the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) until the time when this innovator came along and completed it with his own ideas.
* That the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was "guilty" of either of two things: either he was ignorant of this "good innovation," or he knew about it but concealed it, thus letting his ummah down by not conveying it.
* That the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), his Companions and the righteous salaf (early generations) missed out on the reward of this "good innovation" - until this innovator came along and earned it for himself, despite the fact that he should say to himself, "If it was truly good, they would have been the first to do it."
* Opening the door to bid'ah leads to changing the deen (religion) and opens the way for personal whims and opinions, because every innovator implies that what he is introducing is something good, so whose opinion are we supposed to follow, and which of them should we take as a leader?
* Following bid'ah leads to the cancelling out of sunnah practices and the ways of the salaf. Real life bears witness that whenever a bid'ah is followed, a sunnah practice dies out; the reverse is also true.

We ask Allaah to save us from the misguidance of personal whims and from all trials whether they are open or secret. And Allaah knows best.


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AsalamuAlaykum,

woah jazakhala,

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to say, when beginning a khutbah (sermon): "… The best of speech is the Book of Allaah and the best of guidance is the guidance of Muhammad. The worst of things are those which are newly-invented, and every innovation is a going astray…" (reported by Muslim, no. 867)

Thanks for the Quotes also!
 
Asalaamu alaykum.

I've been told that the Prophet (pbuh) used to, when shaking hands, also place his palm facing upwards so that his hand is lower than of the person he shakes, in humility.

Not entirely relevant to the discussion but a nice hadith I quite like.
 
As Salaamu Alaykum,

Is that Hadeeth Authentic Akhee?, could you provide it's Takhreej please?

BarakAllah feek!!
 
Also, about this 'good bid'ah' business. This is what Mufti Taqi Uthmani, the hanafi scholar from Pakistan had to say about it in his book 'Bidat ek Gumrah' (Bid`ah- A Misguidance):

The categories that people have created, that there is Bid`ah hasanah and bid`ah saiyyi'ah. Remember! There is no [such thing as] good bid`ah! The way that was not deemed incumbent (necessary) by the Nabi, His Khulafah and Sahabah; there's no power in this world which has the authority to declare it waajib or sunnah or mustahab! If some one does that, then that's dhalalah and misguidance. This would mean that (naudhoobillah) they [the Nabi and Sahabah] did not understand the deen to the extent we do!
 
Assalaamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatulaah

Hadith - Abu Dawood, Narrated Al-Bara' ibn Azib
The Prophet said: If two Muslims meet, shake hands, praise Allah, and ask Him for forgiveness, they will be forgiven.


Allah Knows best. A sister told me it is better to shake with two hands. I didn’t ask her for any evidence. Perhaps you should ask this brother for evidence of his saying Insha Allah.
 
As Salaamu Alaykum,

JazaakAllahu Khayran for bringing that up!!

There is no such thing as Bi'dh Hasana wa Bid'ah siyy'ah , good and bad Bid'ah! :heated:

The Ulamaah say that this "taqseem"(division) is Baatil (False/invalid/groundless)

"Wa Kullu Bid'ah Dalaalah, Wa Kullu Dalaalahtin Fin-Naar"

"& Every Innovation is Misguidance , and every Misguidance leads to hell fire.."

Ibnu Umar Radiyallaahu 'anhu also said:
Every Innovation is misguidance, even if the people see it has good!!
 
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