Burka

[Supreme]

Hi

Just wanted to ask:

Does the Burka have a mention in the Quran/Hadith?
Why do some women wear the burka?
Do you agree with the Burka?
If so, do you think all women, including non Muslims and those from other faiths (that may promote other versions of modesty) should wear it?
For the men, would you force your wife to wear one?
For women who choose to wear it, do you wear it as a symbol of your Islamic identity or do you just not want to be in any way revealing?
Is the Burka necessary when the hijab is available?

Cheers.

 

[CosmicPathos]

Burka does not have a explicit mention in the Quran. It however follows the principle which says that women should cover up their bosoms and things of beauty.
Some pious Muslimas wear burka because they think that is what Allah (swt) wants of them.
Yes, I agree with the Burka.
I do not care if women from other religions wear it or not.
I would not force my wife to wear burka but I would be saddened if she does not. I would try to convince her from religious evidence that it is obligatory. If she is sincere, Allah might guide her. But to stop this possibility, I will try to marry a person who wears burka from the very first place, will make my job easier.
I feel Burka is necessary and hijab does not serve the purpose. Of course, no offense to sisters who think otherwise.

 

[Raaina]

Hi

Just wanted to ask:

Does the Burka have a mention in the Quran/Hadith? - Nope, the Burka is an Afghan cultural garment. It pre-dates Islam (As far as my knowledge goes).

Why do some women wear the burka? - I don't wear one, so i'm sorry I cannot answer this.

Do you agree with the Burka? - I agree if women choose to wear it, they should be free to.

If so, do you think all women, including non Muslims and those from other faiths (that may promote other versions of modesty) should wear it? As above, if women want to wear it, they should. I wouldn't force anyone to wear the Burka.

For the men, would you force your wife to wear one? N/A
For women who choose to wear it, do you wear it as a symbol of your Islamic identity or do you just not want to be in any way revealing?N/A

Is the Burka necessary when the hijab is available? - The Hijab and Burka are two seperate items of clothing. One is a religious peice the other a cultural piece.

Cheers.

I hope that has helped you a little :statisfie

 

[Salahudeen]

Yes burka is mentioned in the Qur'an and hadith, not mentioned in Qur'an directly but there's narrations from the companions of the prophet pbuh that when the verse was revealed they took it to mean covering the face also.

However there's difference of opinion on it amongst the scholars, some say it's obligatory some say it's optional but better for a women's piety of she does it. Majority of women follow the opinion that it's optional however some women follow the opinion that it's obligatory upon the women.

I personally agree with the burka cos the prophets wifes RA wore it and it's mentioned in the Qur'an I think that they wore it, however some people say this was only specific to the prophets wifes and not every single women.

I see it as a symbol of islamic identity cos there's many hadith of the prophets wifes and the wifes of the prophets companions wearing it, before Islam came they wouldn't wear it, it was only after Islam came that they began wearing it.

I wouldn't foce my wife to wear 1 however if she wanted to I'd support her in it,

whether the burka is necessary or not depends on which opinion you follow. I'll post all the hadiths for you.

 

[CosmicPathos]

I hope that has helped you a little :statisfie

I find it quite funny how burka is considered a cultural thing and hijab is made out to be a religious thing. Sikhs and Hindu women also put hijab on. Its not in their scriptures though, as far as I've studied. And the Saudis have adopted this supposed Afghan cultural garment, eh. I did not know Arabs were under the influence of Pashtuns.

 

[Salahudeen]

Abdullah Ibn Mas'ud (Radhiallaahu Ánhu) Who was known as the most knowledgeable Sahabi in matters of Shariah. He became Muslim when he was a young kid and ever since that he stayed with Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) and gained the understanding of Quran from him. Umar Ibn Khattab (Radhiallaahu Ánhu) said about him "By Allah, I don't know of any person who is more qualified in the matters dealing with the Quran than Abdullah Ibn Mas'ud"
Explained, the word Jilbaab (as mentioned in the Quran Surah Ahzaab ayah # 59 ) means a cloak which covering the entire body including the head, face and hands. (Quoted from Ibn Taymiyyah (Rahimahullah) in his book on fatwaas Page# 110 Vol # 2 and By Shaikh Ibn Uthamin in the book Hijaab Page # 15)

Aisha (Radhiallaahu Ánha)

Stated that in verse 30 and 31 of Surah An Nur "What has been allowed to be shown is the hands, bangles and rings but the face must be covered.

(Quoted by Shaikh Abdul A'la Maududi in the book Purdah P# 195 and in his Tafseer of Quran under the tafseer of Surah An Nur)


Ubaida bin Abu Sufyan bin al-Harith('Radhiallaahu Ánhu' An' Other well known and knowledgeable Companion of Rasulullah ) Imam Muhammad bin Sirin (Rahimahullah) One of the most knowledgeable tabi'een) said "When I asked Ubaida bin Sufyan bin al-Harith ('Radhiallaahu An') how the jalbaab was to be worn, he demonstrated it to me by pulling a sheet of cloth over his head to cover his entire body, leaving the left eye uncovered. This was also the explanation of the word 'Alaihinna in this verse" (Commentary by Ibn Jarir and Ahkam-ul-Quran, Vol.3, p.457 also in "hijaab wa Safur" quoted by Shaikh AbdulAziz Bin Bazz under the chapter of his fatwaa on hijab on page #54)

Ibn Jarir (Rahimahullah) Quotes the opinion of Ibn Ábbaas (Radhiallaahu Ánhu)
"Allah has enjoined upon all Muslim Women that when they go out of their homes under necessity, they should cover their faces by drawing a part of their outer garments over their heads." (Tafseer Ibn Jarir, VOL 22, pg.29)

The Tabi'ee, Qatadah (Rahimahullah)
Stated that the Jilbab should be wrapped and fixed from above the forehead and made to cover the nose, (although the eyes are to show) and the chest and most of the face are to be covered.

 

[KittenLover]

I don't understand how people can say the niqaab is not from Islam when many of the prophets companions were of the opinion that it was like Ibn Abbas, Abdullah ibn masood to name a few. These companions were there when the Qur'an was revealed and implemented, can we say the same when we make our judgement on it?

Also the prophets wifes wore it, is that not evidence it is from Islam, before Islam they would not wear such clothing untill certain verses of the Qur'an were revealed.

does any 1 remember that stupid so called "imam" on the big question a while back?

 

[CosmicPathos]

I don't understand how people can say the niqaab is not from Islam when many of the prophets companions were of the opinion that it was like Ibn Abbas, Abdullah ibn masood to name a few. These companions were there when the Qur'an was revealed and implemented, can we say the same when we make our judgement on it?

Also the prophets wifes wore it, is that not evidence it is from Islam, before Islam they would not wear such clothing untill certain verses of the Qur'an were revealed.

does any 1 remember that stupid so called "imam" on the big question a while back?

people find pleasure in making new theories up. And call our pious burka wearing sisters culture-worshippers. Regarding hijab, there is also nothing explicity in the Quran which says to "cover you hair." If burka is cultural then hijab is as cultural.

 

[cat eyes]

burkas are worn for modesty however sisters also wear other forms of modest clothing such as long dresses and jumpers brother supreme

 

[Salahudeen]

there are two valid view points on the hijab. One view held by the Ullima is that the niqaab (covering the face) is wajib (compulsory) and other Ullima hold the view it is Mustahab (recommended and the best thing to do but not compulsory).

to those people who say things like "The niqaab is not in islam or is not important" or is "bad for dawa" these people should understand that the Niqaab is from the Quraan and Hadith and even if you hold the view of it not being wajib it is still THE BEST thing and recommended and anyone who wears it is to be respected. And if anyone discourages the wearing of Niqaab or denies it being in Islam or makes fun of someone who wears it they should fear ALLAH.

 

[Asiyaah]

When the soviets moved into central asia and tried to covert the people to communism they focused on the burka. Time and time again the colonizer turn the clothes of colonized women into a political symbol. In my opinion the burka is still a political garment today.

 

[CosmicPathos]

When the soviets moved into central asia and tried to covert the people to communism they focused on the burka. Time and time again the colonizer turn the clothes of colonized women into a political symbol. In my opinion the burka is still a political garment today.

LOL. Soviets also entered Najd and Hijaz right? Everyone sticks to their theory, no matter how illogical it is. I find this quality of humans quite interesting.

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

Does the Burka have a mention in the Quran/Hadith?

yes

Why do some women wear the burka?

because they think its pure awesome, want to emulate the wives of The prophet (pbuh), or just simply their faces to be covered

Do you agree with the Burka?

absolutely...100% though and through

If so, do you think all women, including non Muslims and those from other faiths (that may promote other versions of modesty) should wear it?

i guess so

For women who choose to wear it, do you wear it as a symbol of your Islamic identity or do you just not want to be in any way revealing?

for women who wear it, it's probably both of those reasons.

Is the Burka necessary when the hijab is available?

yes...both are good imo


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btw the burka its-self is how the afghani women cover their faces and the niqaab is how the arab women cover their faces...

 

[CosmicPathos]

my mom is not afghani, she still puts on the burka .... are we missing something? And no, she is not influenced by Afghani "culture."

 

[Supreme]

Thank you all for your responses so far. As anticipated, a mixed bag. I shall be sure to ask and address tomorrow.

 

[cat eyes]

the sisters who wear the hijabs will be also rewarded in full also. you can not disagree with some scholars either and agree with other scholars because that is also wrong. all of them are people of knowledge and we take all there fatwas in to account. a sister should NOT be forced to wear the niqaab rather she should be kindly encouraged to wear it but we can not force any one and NOT judge them some peoples imans are very strong mashaAllah because they live and breath islam. it is hard and difficult for some people who are living in a non religious envoiroment:wa:

 

[Raaina]

I find it quite funny how burka is considered a cultural thing and hijab is made out to be a religious thing. Sikhs and Hindu women also put hijab on. Its not in their scriptures though, as far as I've studied. And the Saudis have adopted this supposed Afghan cultural garment, eh. I did not know Arabs were under the influence of Pashtuns.

Well it was originally an Afghan cultural garment, perhaps it's use in Islam is why the Saudis have adopted this to.

 

[KittenLover]

Well it was originally an Afghan cultural garment, perhaps it's use in Islam is why the Saudis have adopted this to.

jus wondering how far back are you going when you say it was an Afghan cultural garment? are you talking about before revelation came to the prophet peace be upon him? or after he received revelation and became a prophet.

to be more precise are you saying it was an afghan culture garment before the verses in Qur'an were revealed pertaining to it, or after verses of the Qur'an were revealed?

 

[Raaina]

jus wondering how far back are you going when you say it was an Afghan cultural garment? are you talking about before revelation came to the prophet peace be upon him? or after he received revelation and became a prophet.

to be more precise are you saying it was an afghan culture garment before the verses in Qur'an were revealed pertaining to it, or after verses of the Qur'an were revealed?

sister,

I believe it was an Afghan culture garment before the verses in the Qu'ran were revealed.

But, thats just my understanding from what i've learnt so far, I could be wrong. :statisfie

 

[Donia]

Hi

Just wanted to ask:

Does the Burka have a mention in the Quran/Hadith?
Why do some women wear the burka?
Do you agree with the Burka?
If so, do you think all women, including non Muslims and those from other faiths (that may promote other versions of modesty) should wear it?
For the men, would you force your wife to wear one?
For women who choose to wear it, do you wear it as a symbol of your Islamic identity or do you just not want to be in any way revealing?
Is the Burka necessary when the hijab is available?

Cheers.

I have not seen where the Burka is mentioned specifically in the Quran and I haven't read enough hadiths to confirm or deny if it's specifically in there.
I believe some women wear the burka because they feel they are obligated to.
I think the Burka is fine if one wants to wear it. I actually still think sisters look beautiful wearing their Burkas/Niqabs as odd as that sounds.
I'm not a man. . There are banks where I live who actually do not allow it to be worn when making transactions in person. This is for security reasons so they can identify who you are. I understand that point as well.
It is necessary for those who want to wear it. In my opinion I believe the hijab is sufficient and if I am wrong, then may Allah forgive me. I have no problem with sisters who wear the Burka or Niqab. They are my sisters in Islam and vice versa. I don't want to get to off topic so I'll just stop there with that.

Good questions.