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The topic "Can a girl get married without parents permission" is quite serious now in the western society.

A girl came to me and said, my parents disagree with the guy i chose because of his looks, i like him a lot and vice versa. so im going to go and make someone else my guardian and go forward with this.

i gave her the hanifi point of view. i was just wondering if someone would explain the view point of imam shafi. i am studying comparitive fiqh but wud appreciate it if i cud hear from someone who already knows.

jazakallah khair
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Salaam,

No, a girl cannot get married without her parent's permission. She can if she wanted to, but it is not allowed. If a girl wants to get married, first she has to have her father's approval that she can get married to the guy. Secondly there has to be her father to help pay foe the wedding. Thirdly, her father has to be there in order to be her Wali. Without any of these reasons, then how can she get married without her father? In addtion to that if you think about it what if she gets divorced and then her husband send her back to her fathers's house. Without her father knowing she may never even be allowed to come back to her father's house.


Wasalaam.
 
well doesn't Islam gives freedom to women and men to choose their own life partners?
 
Salaam,

Yes it does give us muslim women the freedom to choose our life partners, however that doesn't necessarily mean that we don't have to have our father's permission to get married. That is absouletly wrong. It is even wrong in Islam. If a child gets married without their parent's permission than obviously the parents will get upset. Making parents upset is highly disliked in Islam. If anything we are encouraged to make our parents happy at any golden opportunity. The same thing applies to marriage. Marriage is a huge commitment in life, and it is essential that we have to get our parents involved..or else it will be detrimental to us.


Wasalaam.
 
Salaamu Aleykum

Brothers and Sisters, My little knowledge I can say in Fiqh Al-Imaam Shaafi'i said that the girl can marry without permission of her parents when she is 15+, if she is under 15 should marry the permission of her parents even if she is in love with the person
And the widow can marry with her permission not necessory the parents as the prophet said.............................................
 
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masha'allah wat a coincedence. we had
discussed this at my summa islamic skewl. well
from wat i heard from da shaykh in islam ur parents
have rights over u. n one of those rights is marrying u
off to the most pious person they could find. BUT ur father
is ur walee and he is the one to say yes or no not ur mother.
ur mother can try to talk to him but that is the best she can do.
he has the last statement. BUT if u had been previously marraied
and now divorced if u decide to get marraied again you do not need
your parents' permission. thats only if you slept with your husband.
BUT if u you havent and still are a virgan your parents must have a
say on this because some people marry on Monday and get divorced
on Tuesday just so they can make thier own decision. u noe wat im sayin?
well once again this was my two cents. but im not tryin to give not fatwa
or nothing as u noe im not qualified to so please dont take my word for it
but research it i dont wanna get the sin if ya noe wat im sayin. ayght den fam
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Halima said:
Salaam,

No, a girl cannot get married without her parent's permission. She can if she wanted to, but it is not allowed. If a girl wants to get married, first she has to have her father's approval that she can get married to the guy. Secondly there has to be her father to help pay foe the wedding. Thirdly, her father has to be there in order to be her Wali. Without any of these reasons, then how can she get married without her father? In addtion to that if you think about it what if she gets divorced and then her husband send her back to her fathers's house. Without her father knowing she may never even be allowed to come back to her father's house.


Wasalaam.

I think so too that she can get married without her parents permission like if her parent are not musim and want her to marry a non musim or if her parent want her marry a man who the girl feel is not on his deen than. I KNOW SO.
 
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afaaro said:
Salaamu Aleykum

Brothers and Sisters, My little knowledge I can say in Fiqh Al-Imaam Shaafi'i said that the girl can marry without permission of her parents when she is 15+, if she is under 15 should marry the permission of her parents even if she is in love with the person
And the widow can marry with her permission not necessory the parents as the prophet said.............................................

As I posted under another topic:

Prophet (saaw) said: “Any woman who marries without the permission of her walee, her marriage is invalid, her marriage is invalid, her marriage is invalid.” Reported by Tirmidhi, 1021 - Saheeh

“There is no marriage contract except with a walee and two witnesses.” Reported by at Tabaraani

“No woman may conduct the marriage contract of another woman, and no woman can conduct the marriage contract on behalf of her own self, because the zaaniyah (fornicatress, adulteress) is the one who arranges things on her own behalf.” Reported by Ibn Maajah, 1782

Since these ahadeeth are explicit, the opinion of the Hanafee scholars are invalidated and this is the strongest opinion held by majority of the Scholars.

***THERE IS NO EXCUSE, THE MARRIAGE IS INVALID WITHOUT A WALEE'
 
and what does 15 have to do with ANYTHING? what does being 15 mark? someone could be dumb as a doornail at 15, or wiser than their own parents. age is nothing. its all in maturity.
 
Life Is Fitnah said:
As I posted under another topic:

Prophet (saaw) said: “Any woman who marries without the permission of her walee, her marriage is invalid, her marriage is invalid, her marriage is invalid.” Reported by Tirmidhi, 1021 - Saheeh

“There is no marriage contract except with a walee and two witnesses.” Reported by at Tabaraani

“No woman may conduct the marriage contract of another woman, and no woman can conduct the marriage contract on behalf of her own self, because the zaaniyah (fornicatress, adulteress) is the one who arranges things on her own behalf.” Reported by Ibn Maajah, 1782

Since these ahadeeth are explicit, the opinion of the Hanafee scholars are invalidated and this is the strongest opinion held by majority of the Scholars.

***THERE IS NO EXCUSE, THE MARRIAGE IS INVALID WITHOUT A WALEE'
all that is nice but we said Parents Not walee your walee can be a close friend of the family who is Musilm and a male.
 
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i think a girl can get married without her parent knowing that. but if the person she's marrying is a good muslim cuz maybe he's a good muslim but maybe da parent rejected him cuz of his look, i think she can go a head and get marreid cuz look dont really mean anything 2 her and she like his personality.
 
If a father refuses to give His daughters in Marriage to Suitable Men

Source : Fatawaa Islaamiyyah ,Volume 5, Pg 244-246
Fatwa by : Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih Al Uthaimeen (rahimahullaah)

Q: We are a group of girls who are sisters and we live in o*ne house, and frequently suitors for our hands from among the religious young men have been rejected; and our father is suffering from mental illness. May the judge in this situation take charge of the marriage contracts for us?

A: Yes, if the guardian refuses to give a woman in marriage to a man who is suitable in his religion and his character. This is because guardianship passes to the o*ne who comes after him among the paternal family members, the o*ne with the greatest right, then the next o*ne. And if they refused to give them in marriage, as most often happens, then the guardianship passes to the legal Judge and he gives the woman in marriage, and if the matter reaches him and he knows that her guardians refused to give her in marriage, he must give her in marriage, because he has a general guardianship, as long as no particular guardianship is present.

The scholars of Islamic Jurisprudence (Fiqh) – may Allaah have mercy o*n them – have mentioned that if the guardian repeatedly refuses appropriate suitors, he will be considered a sinner due to this and his fairness will be lost, as well as his right to guardianship. Indeed, it is recognised in the madhab of Imaam Ahmad that his right to be an Imaam will be lost, and so he may not lead the muslims in congregational prayer and this is a very serious matter.

Some people – as we have indicated earlier - refuse appropriate suitors for those whom Allaah has granted them guardianship but the girl may be shy to approach a judge in order to request that he may give her in marriage – and this situation exists at present – but she must compare between those things which promote good and those things which cause evil; which is the greater cause of evil: To remain without a husband and for this guardian to arbitrarily exercise control over her according to his mood and his whim, then when she grows older and few propose to her, he give her in marriage (to whom he wills), or to approach the Judge, with the request that he give her in marriage , especially since this is her legal right?

There is no doubt that the second choice – which is that she approach the judge and request that he give her in marriage – is preferable, because this is her right and because in approaching the judge and the Judge’s giving her in marriage there is a benefit for other girls too, because they will step forward as she has done, and because by approaching the judge, she serves as a deterrent to those wrongdoers who commit injustice against those whom Allaah has placed under their guardianship, by refusing to give them in marriage to appropriate suitors. That is to say, there are three benefits in this:

- A benefit to the woman, so that she does not remain unmarried.

- A benefit to others, if she opens up the door for the women who are waiting for someone to make the approach so that they may follow her.

- Holding in check those unjust guardians who exercise control arbitrary over their daughters or those women over whom Allah has made them guardians.

Another benefit therein is the implementation of the order of the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) who said:

"If o*ne whose religion and character pleases you proposes to you, then marry (your daughters to) him. If you do not do so, it will be a cause of trial (fitnah and great corruption) in the land"
[At-Tirmidhi no. 1084]

There is o*ne other particular benefit, which is the fulfillment of the desires of those suitors who propose to women and who are suitable with regard to their religion and character.