Can Allah do these things?

[Nitro Zeus]

Assalamu alaikum,

It may sound weird questions. Someone on Stack Exchange asked these questions:

1. Can Allah go against Quran?

2. Can Allah take any created thing out of the creation with out destroying it or uncreating it?

I'm struggling to find the answer that user is looking for, but I could not find any site about this.

I was wondering if you could help me find the answers for these 2 questions? So that I can answer his questions.

 

[HisServant]

wa alaikum assalaam,

"This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion."
- Surah Al-Ma'ida verse 3

"Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian"

-Surah Al-Hijr verse 9

I believe these above two verses demonstrates that the Quran is completed and guarded. Since, it is completed, unlike previous books by which the message of truth has been distorted, it implies that everything within is authentic and not subjected to being changed. Our creator isn't going to go against the Quran or allow such an understanding to be permissible without being challenged/deterred by those He has appointed as protectors, whether Angels, Jinns or men. (agents of guardianship)


No 2. Not sure. It doesn't really make sense to me. Allah is the only entity that remains uncreated, everything other will be taken into/part of creation, even if it is heaven or hell.

 

[masidurrahman68]

Thanks for the information brother....

 

[masidurrahman68]

wa alaikum assalaam,

"This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion."
- Surah Al-Ma'ida verse 3

"Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian"

-Surah Al-Hijr verse 9

I believe these above two verses demonstrates that the Quran is completed and guarded. Since, it is completed, unlike previous books by which the message of truth has been distorted, it implies that everything within is authentic and not subjected to being changed. Our creator isn't going to go against the Quran or allow such an understanding to be permissible without being challenged/deterred by those He has appointed as protectors, whether Angels, Jinns or men. (agents of guardianship)


No 2. Not sure. It doesn't really make sense to me. Allah is the only entity that remains uncreated, everything other will be taken into/part of creation, even if it is heaven or hell.

Thanks for the information brother...

 

[Physicist]

[MENTION=42203]Nitro Zeus[/MENTION], brother, I suggest you to abstain from sophisticated discussions with disbelievers until you will be able to comprehend their motives and way of thinking.
Perhaps there is mostly trolling in that conversation.

Regarding questions.
1. Can you break your computer/smartphone which you use to post here? Yes, of course.
Will you do so? I think not.
The same, Quran is the part of the creation. Allah can do everything he want, but evrything in creation is reasonable.

2. To take where? Everything apart of Allah is Creation and Allah is singularity.

Perhaps they mean making copy of the thing without destroying. Anything can be copied in classical sense, but not the quantum state of course (perhaps what trolling is about).

To uncreate is what is created - perhaps about erasing the past - no in physical sense.
But it may happen that for example we were misinformed about death of the friend and miraculously he appeared alive.

Kind of sophisticated version of old atheist trolling, to "prove" that God is not Almighty.

 

[Ümit]

they ask these kind of questions because they still cannot understand what omnipotent is. unawarely they do not accept that we humans don't even have the ability to comprehend what infinity, and limitless and omnipotent means. they still imagine somehow God being a giant human like creature sitting on a cloud....and somehow managing all earth processes and observing us from above....and then steering and finetuning ad hoc on places where needed. like we do with our ant farm. of cource with limits...and once in a while making errors and so...

similar questions are for exmple this classical question
1. Can God create a rock so big that even he cannot lift?

they refuse to think that God doesn't lift at all.
Creator and creation are two separate "dimensions". you cannot just compare those with each other.

 

[MazharShafiq]

wa alaikum assalaam,

"This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion."
- Surah Al-Ma'ida verse 3

"Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian"

-Surah Al-Hijr verse 9

I believe these above two verses demonstrates that the Quran is completed and guarded. Since, it is completed, unlike previous books by which the message of truth has been distorted, it implies that everything within is authentic and not subjected to being changed. Our creator isn't going to go against the Quran or allow such an understanding to be permissible without being challenged/deterred by those He has appointed as protectors, whether Angels, Jinns or men. (agents of guardianship)


No 2. Not sure. It doesn't really make sense to me. Allah is the only entity that remains uncreated, everything other will be taken into/part of creation, even if it is heaven or hell.

yes it is right answer.Allah can do everything just saying..kun ..

 

[HisServant]

Al-Lawh: al-Lawh al-Mahfooz, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning), (Inscribed) in al-Lawh al-Mahfooz (the Preserved Tablet) [al-Burooj 85:22] means, the place where the decrees of Allaah are kept.

Every wide bone is a lawh.
The plural form is alwaah.

(Lisaan al-Arab, 2/584).
2. Ibn Katheer (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
in al-Lawh al-Mahfooz (the Preserved Tablet) means, It is among the higher group (i.e., angels), preserved and protected from anything being added or taken away, or any alteration or changes.
(Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 4/497, 498).
3. Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
Preserved: most readers recite this with a kasrah, i.e., it is a description of the Lawh. This indicates that the shayaateen are not able to bring it down, because its location is protected and they cannot reach it. And it is itself protected, so the Shaytaan cannot add anything to it or take anything away from it.
Allaah, may He be glorified, has described it as protected or guarded in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):
Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Quraan) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption). [al-Hijr 15:9]. And its location is also described as being guarded in this soorah.
Allaah, may He be glorified, is protecting its location, and protecting it from having anything added or taken away, or being distorted. He is protecting its meanings from being twisted, just as He is protecting its words from being changed, and He is protecting its letters so that nothing is added or taken away.
(al-Tabyaan fi Aqsaam al-Quraan, p. 62).

[h=1]What is al-lawh al-mahfooz? [/h]

 

[ajazz]

Answer to your first question.

1 Can Allah go against Quran?

What I'm about to say is purely my personal opinion, I'm no scholar.

If you mean can Allah(swt) say something in the Quran and do opposite of it.
or make something halal and then make it haram.

Well consider this.

supreme Court is considered as the highest authority in democracy and if SC rules something it cannot be overruled by lower courts but The Supreme Court can overrule itself, seen in a new light, typically because of changing social and political situations.

So does it mean supreme Court is going against itself?


When we discuss or say something about Allah(swt) we must limit our self to say only those things that Allah himself revealed to his creation and never go beyond that and speculate about Allah(swt) because of our limitation we can never understand his essence and can only relate to his attributes.


String theory predicts that our universe is made of more than three dimensions possibly 11 dimensions, can you imagine an object made of 11 dimension? No you can't, this is what I mean by our limitations of understanding.


Allah (swt) is the highest authority, He is supreme above all and everything that exist and He has sovereign over everything.
There is no authority above Allah(swt) and He is the creator of everything that exist and He himself is uncreated.
No one can question Allah(swt),


As such, all definition of what is just and what is unjust,
what is halal and what is haram, what is true and what is false, comes from Allah(swt).


We humans have nether authority nor capacity to define good or bad , right and wrong, all human definition about good and bad, acceptable and unacceptable are subjective and prone to fail.


Since Allah (swt) is the supreme Lord and He is the most high and there is no authority above him and all definition comes form him and He cannot be questioned for his decisions.

So if Allah decide to punish a pious person and decide to reward a sinner, he cannot be questioned because nobody has the right to do so.

Having said that, Allah says in the noble Quran.

“That is for what your hands have put forth and because Allah is not ever unjust to [His] servants.” Quran (Surah Al-Hajj, 10)

Allah also says: “He cannot be questioned as to what He does, while they will be questioned.” Quran (Surah Al-Anbiya, 23)

Coming to your question.

Can Allah go against Quran?

The question stems from lack of understanding about what Quran is.

The Noble Quran is verbatim speech of Allah(swt) and hence it is actually one of the attribute of Allah(swt).
Since Allah(swt) is absolute Infinite, unchanging , all his attribute are unchanging and absolutely infinite.

Noble Quran is the knowledge of Allah and knowledge of Allah is uncreated therefore Quran is also uncreated and unchanging.

Allah (swt) is absolutely one and his attributes are also one with him, they are not separate from him.
Allah is one in the purest form that we can comprehend.

Therefore Noble Quran is also unchanging and infinite in its attribute.

"And if whatever trees upon the earth were pens and the sea [was ink], replenished thereafter by seven [more] seas, the words of Allah would not be exhausted. Indeed, Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise." (Quran 31:27 )

Allah also says: 'O mankind! Verily, the Promise of Allah is true. So let not this present life deceive you" ―Quran 35:5

"Be patient. The promise of God is certainly true. Let not the faithless make you despair of the promise of God." Quran 30:60

In conclusion the question is invalid and is not applicable to Allah(swt).

Having said all this you must know.
Allah alone has absolute knowledge and He alone knows best.

 

[ajazz]

Answer to your second question.

"Can Allah take any created thing out of the creation with out destroying it or uncreating it?"

Allah does not perform physical actions as we understand how physical actions take place.

To create something Allah only has to _will_ and it comes into existence.
To destroy something Allah only has to _will_ and it goes out of existence.

All the actions and process that take place in our universe requires function of time.

Allah(swt) is truly infinite ie unchanging and unchanging does not require function of time and hence Allah is outside of time and cannot exist in our universe in any form, size, or shape .

Since Allah(swt) is truly infinite his attributes and powers are also infinite.
therefore He does not require any assistance or help, He free from any kind of need, He has no partners or helpers, He is truly 'Self-Subsisting'.

Also Allah(swt) does not possess negative attributes.
For example :
Allah(swt) does not get tired nor does He sleeps or feel drowsy , He does not forget.
He requires no rest. He makes no mistake. He requires no help. He does not require to eat any kind of food for sustenance because he is free from all kinds of needs.

In Islam you can call Allah(swt) by any other name as long as the attributes or meaning does indicate negative attributes.

Allah(swt) is not everywhere rather He is aware of everything, The every step an Ant takes , even every rotation of an atom, every thought of all the human beings, he is aware of everything that exist or existed, nothing escapes his knowledge.

Before we understand how Allah(swt) created our universe let first understand how He controls it.

Our universe behave according to natural physical laws.

What exactly are these laws? do they have size shape or form?

Do they exist independently?

They are nothing but instructions for things on how to behave.

As a man of the house you have a law (instructions) that no member of the house is allowed outside the house after 10 pm in the evening and everybody follows the rule.


So how does Allah(s.w.t) controls the universe?

“ He created the sun, the moon, and the stars, (all) governed by laws under His command. Is it not His to create and to govern? Blessed be Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds!” (Al-Quran 7:54 )

To understand, you need to understand these three things.

Nothing goes against the will of Allah (swt).

What it means is that if Allah(swt) wills something to happen nothing, absolutely nothing can prevent it.


If Allah(swt) wills something not to happen nothing, absolutely nothing can make it happen.

Even a leaf cannot move without the will of Allah(swt).


For example scientists tells us nothing can move faster than speed of light.

What this means is that all the natural laws that governs our universe and everything else is nothing but the will of Allah(swt).

Scientists tells us that our universe started as a very very very tiny singularity .

"the universe grew from an almost infinitely small point to nearly an octillion (that's a 1 followed by 27 zeros) times that in size in less than a trillionth of a second. "

At singularity no natural laws existed and time began at singularity.

"The beginning of real time, would have been a singularity, at which the laws of physics would have broken down." : Stephen Hawking

http://homepages.wmich.edu/~korista/hawking-time.html#:~:text


And this is how it goes... The creation of our universe.

Allah(swt) willed and singularity came into existence and from then on as our universe evolved through inflation and to present day, and it is still evolving through what we call physical laws (instructions) i.e. will of Allah(swt).

Originator of the heavens and the earth. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, "Be," and it is.
(Noble Quran 2-117)

Nothing can move faster than the speed of light this is Einstein's inviolable postulate of his theory of relativity.

If this actually hold true, than.

This is nothing but will of Allah(swt), ( If indeed it is so) that nothing can move faster than speed of light.


Therefore when we say not a leaf move or an atom rotate without the will of Allah(swt) it means, the laws responsible for the movement of leaf or an atom and everything in our universe is actually will of Allah(swt).

So Allah(swt) created and controls our universe through his will.

Allah(swt) can make things appear or disappear spontaneously simply by his will or He may make things appear or disappear through evolutionary process but again this evolutionary process works through will of Allah(swt).


Allah(swt) alone have absolute knowledge and He alone knows best.

 

[Ümit]

The Question

"Can Allah take any created thing out of the creation with out destroying it or uncreating it?"

does not make any sense.

I mean, what are you asking really? something has been created...you want to take this out of the creation...but it cannot be destroyed not uncreated.

So basically it should still exist...but not among all other creation...
so when literally everything is Allah's creation...where do you want this to exist then?

this is a nonsens question. Besides, Allah is beyond the grasp of time. He could just not create it and it is as if it never existed.

Besides, this question implies that Allah made a mistake...Well...Allah makes no mistakes...

About the statement "nothing is faster than the speed of light" i have two side notes:

1
That is according to our understanding of physics until now. As I mentioned several times before on this forum: Science is just a tool by us and for us humans to understand our universe we live in. It is an approximation of the truth and is never ever the absolute truth. Laws of nature has been altered throughout the history. We used the laws of Newton for decades...we still use it nowadays on a daily basis...thanks to Newtons laws we even flew to the moon...All that despite of Einsteins proof that Newtons laws were not accurate enough.

So...I'm pretty sure that the claim "nothing is faster than the speed of light" will be corrected in the future as we learn and develop.

2
This is based on our dimension, our world. We are bound to the laws of nature...other creatures like jinns, angels, shaytan, or ourselves after our death, heaven and hell...and all other creatures and creations which are outside this dimension, are not bound to the laws of nature as we know it. They probably have their own laws of nature.
So the claim "nothing is faster than the speed of light" is only meaningfull for creations of this dimension.

 

[ajazz]

The Question does not make any sense.

Is the post addressing me mate?
The question is from OP.

this is a nonsens question"

No question is nonsense question if the intention is genuine, every question is a cry to understand.

A woman, recounting a story about an old man who used to answer all her "stupid questions", explained "Chica, if you ask a question it makes you look stupid for 5 minutes – but if you don't ask – you stay stupid for fifty years

So...I'm pretty sure that the claim "nothing is faster than the speed of light" will be corrected in the future as we learn and develop.

May be may be not.

"If you thought that science was certain - well, that is just an error on your part."
Richard Feynman: Albert Einstein Award (1954),E. O. Lawrence Award (1962),Nobel Prize in Physics

I'm usually very careful when making statement regarding Allah (s.w.t) or Noble Quran, and people usually fail to notice.

Nothing can move faster than the speed of light this is Einstein's inviolable postulate of his theory of relativity.

If this actually hold true, than.

This is nothing but will of Allah(swt), ( If indeed it is so) that nothing can move faster than speed of light.

Allah (s.w.t) alone has absolute knowledge and He alone knows best.

 

[Ümit]

Is the post addressing me mate?The question is from OP.

I am fully aware that you have been reacting to an old post from 2019 and you only have been answering it so this post does not adress you brother. I was totally agreeing with you, but I had some additions to make...that is all.

No question is nonsense question if the intention is genuine, every question is a cry to understand.

Your are saying it yourself brother "if the intention is genuine".
We do not know the intention...but lets give the OP the benefit of the doubt and say OP asked the question genuinely to understand.

However, the question itself is not logical.

It is like saying
Can Allah make 2+2=5 true?
or worse:
Can Allah convold the corricker? (no need to Google, those words do not exist)

A woman, recounting a story about an old man who used to answer all her "stupid questions", explained "Chica, if you ask a question it makes you look stupid for 5 minutes – but if you don't ask – you stay stupid for fifty years

I agree on that...the motto here is, "no question is stupid"...however the questioner may or may not be genuine...but that does not take away the fact that the question itself may be nonsensical.

May be may be not.

Agreed, may be maybe not. Again, people like Newton, Archimedes and Einstein discovered stuff we are grateful for and have developed formula we can use...but as we developed and understood more and more of the universe, those formulas appeared to be either false or not accurate enough from our new point of view...so they get altered...it happened to Newtons laws...but it also may or may not happen to Einsteins laws.

"If you thought that science was certain - well, that is just an error on your part."
Richard Feynman: Albert Einstein Award (1954),E. O. Lawrence Award (1962),Nobel Prize in Physics

That is exactly what I am saying. For decades we thought Newtons laws were certain...until Einstein came along.

Nothing can move faster than the speed of light this is Einstein's inviolable postulate of his theory of relativity.

may be Inviolable until now from the point of view we have now...remember that this statement contradicts the statement that nothing in science is certain...not even the laws of Einstein.

This is nothing but will of Allah(swt), ( If indeed it is so) that nothing can move faster than speed of light.

I totally agree. Again, we are only talking about our dimension. When Einstein made the statement "Nothing is faster that the speed of light", he of course did not take the spiritual world into account...how could he?

 

[peaceandlove]

Asalam O Alikum brother

Ofcourse Allah can do any thing as it was clearly stated

اِنَّ اللّٰہ علیٰ کل شی ءٍ قدیر

But brother, just try to give up such strange thinkng and feeling and too strange question, Allah can do any thing but Allah will do any thing Allah wants and not what you wants.

I think that simply answer you question, these types of questions will never end in your mind so just ignore them and seek help from ALLAH