Catalan independence referendum

[Simple_Person]

That doesn't answer my post, that's merely an unsubstantiated just-so statement.

What you do is or think or are of opinion according to how i understand it is, that you say no matter what a minority wants, democracy belongs to the complete state. In other words, it is of no importance the vote of a minority. However democracy it self is attached to so called freedom. If a minority complains of the majority dragging them down underwater but still the majority or people in power do not listen to what is being said, that means logically this whole constitution or law of the country that is based on (so called freedom) is rather a illusion. There is no equality, there is ONLY what some decide. What if you do not agree and as a loner everybody takes advantage of you, MUST somebody still be part of this group?. To that minority it becomes a dictatorship. Yet somehow you refuse OR intentionally refuse to look at it from a objective point of view.

The sovereignty of a country belongs to a country indeed. As the constitution of that country (agreement) is based on. As i said earlier, if the people in power, do not work according to that agreement, it means the agreement itself is being nullified. In the case of Kurdistan Regional Government that is the case as i am more lettered in that. So there is NO constitution that speaks of unity of that country anymore, so the minority is then asked "guys, as leaders of you, what has happened is x, y and z. Do you still want to be part of the whole?", which is the referendum that gives the opportunity to people to choose. In case of Kurdistan Regional Government the majority has voted to be independent.

Now is the question, if indeed the people in power of the sovereign state did not meet the agreement, thus logically the agreement is broken, it is not because i say so, it is because objectivity says so. People then who are being dragged down so to say is asked what they want. They want to be independent as there is apparently no more trust. However if certain pressure or even military power is used on that minority, it is just a good old dictatorship. Isn't it? Or am i seeing things completely wrong? Anyways, i THINK this will be my last comment, as my account should have been disabled yesterday already but somehow has not happened yet.

 

[Futuwwa]

Anyways, i THINK this will be my last comment, as my account should have been disabled yesterday already but somehow has not happened yet.

Then why are you posting? And why should I reply, or even bother to consider what you have to say? I could save myself the trouble and just say "Nope, you're wrong, and I'm not going to bother telling you why since you've quit the discussion anyway". I'm here for two-way discussion, not to be the recipient of one-way preaching or lecturing.

 

[Simple_Person]

Then why are you posting? And why should I reply, or even bother to consider what you have to say? I could save myself the trouble and just say "Nope, you're wrong, and I'm not going to bother telling you why since you've quit the discussion anyway". I'm here for two-way discussion, not to be the recipient of one-way preaching or lecturing.

A discussion is not meant to get to "win", it is rather as input of new criteria that one may benefit from it. So you replying or not replying is up to you. I already was planning to quit and asked last week that my account to be disabled yesterday, which did not happen somehow. Then you replied and i have the courtesy to give reply to somebody if i was still given the chance.

The type of your reaction was the main reason i want to quit. Not your reaction in particular, but the type of reaction just in general. One cannot convince nobody. Everybody is 100% convinced their story is in truth all the way, so why even bother to have discussions. Better spent that mount of time to better myself and talk less. These days everybody lives in their own world, the mouth is twice as more active than the ear. Let me start with myself instead of pointing at everybody else and start to talk less and listen (ie read/reflect/ponder/) more, as i will benefit only more from it than wasting my time with discussion that lead to nowhere.

I wish you all the best.

 

[Futuwwa]

That's rather rich of you, Simple_Person. You're the one claiming that your position is objectively factual, I explain to you why it isn't because of how it relies on a particular premise that isn't necessarily true, you don't even touch what I said but rather reply with just-so statements repeating your original assertion in slightly different words. Then you accuse me of being dogmatically certain of being right and thus being guilty of making discussion pointless.

You say a discussion is not meant to be won, but rather for the intellectual benefit of oneself and others. I agree. If I wanted to win in the eyes of any audience we might have, your stated intention of leaving would give me a perfect opportunity to get the last word. But I won't, for it'd be pointless if you wouldn't even reply. I could reply to your latest posts, the lack of actual content in them that refutes anything I said notwithstanding, but there's no point in doing it if you have already decided you are done with the discussion. If you'd happen to change your mind on that matter, I'm here and available.