Christianity declining 50pc faster than thought – as one in 10 under-25s is a Muslim

Christianity is still very strong in the USA. I think the main reason why it is so strong in the US and so weak in England is because England has an official church of England. England is officially christian. This makes for less activists and less pushing of Christianity, since it has simply been assumed to be dominant. In the US the situation is different. We all know the US is dominated by Christian agenda, but many Christians themselves will tell you Christianity is actually persecuted there.

To keep a religion alive you need to motivate and inspire the people, either with fear and bogeymen (ie, in the USA) or with inspiration and strong indoctrination. Islam isn't lacking in either so I don't see it falling by the wayside any time soon.
 
^^^ Not to sound like a hater, but I really wonder what kind of Christian work goes around in the US. I have seen endless number of jokes on Christian, Jehovah's witnesses, and God, and the American crowd doesn't seem to tire of mocking religion. Of course, their mockeries of God mostly talk about a supernatural man controlling the universe [Christian version of Jesus (PBUH)], I've also witnessed this distaste taking grave turns, and people actually detesting religion altogether because of what they have heard from Christian preachers.
 
Salaam

This is an interesting comment.

More laws are needed as religion declines, top judge says

One of Britain's most senior judges said the rapid rise in the number of laws in recent years had been necessary as other modes of social control such as religion and old fashioned morality declined


One of Britain’s most senior judges has blamed a decline in religion and traditional moral values for the growing number of laws needed to maintain order. Lord Sumption, a Supreme Court Justice, said laws now reached into areas of life once left untouched by such regulation with 3000 new criminal or administrative offences added to the statute book during Tony Blair’s premiership between 1997 and 2007.

But he claimed the “expansion of the empire of law” had been necessary to fill the gap left by declining religious and moral codes which once guided people’s behaviour.

He said: “It is a response to a real problem.

“At its most fundamental level, the problem is that the technical and intellectual capacities of mankind have grown faster than its moral sensibilities or its co-operative instincts.

“At the same time other restraints on the autonomy and self-interest of men, such as religion and social convention, have lost much of their former force, at any rate in the west.

“The role of social and religious sentiment, which was once so critical in the life of our societies, has been largely taken over by law.”

In a lecture entitled ‘The Limits of Law’ given in Kuala Lumpur, the top judge discussed the correct role for judges and courts in society and looked at what tasks were better overseen by other agents of social control. He accused the European Court of Human Rights of extending its influence far beyond its intended purpose as a safeguard against totalitarianism and reaching into areas of domestic government policy. After praising the European Convention of Human Rights for its “wholly admirable” text, he said: “Nothing that I have to say this evening is intended to belittle any of these truly fundamental rights.

“But the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg stands for more than these.

“It has become the international flag-bearer for judge-made fundamental law extending well beyond the text which it is charged with applying. It has over many years declared itself entitled to treat the Convention as what it calls a “living instrument.”

He added: “This approach has transformed the Convention from the safeguard against despotism which was intended by its draftsmen, into a template for many aspects of the domestic legal order.”

Lord Sumption argued that in a healthy democracy people’s expectations of the law were greater as they demanded protection in every aspect of their lives. This created a need for legislation in everything from violent crime to working hours but also meant a “more intrusive” legal system, he warned. He claimed that acts which a century ago would have been dismissed as “casual misfortunes” or “governed only by principles of courtesy” are now “actionable torts”.

Lord Sumption said: “We need to think seriously about the proper role of judges in the ordering of society.

“We live in an age of unbounded confidence in the value and efficacy of law as an engine of social and moral improvement.

“The spread of Parliamentary democracy across most of the world, has invariably been followed by rising public expectations of the state, of which the courts are a part.

“The state has become the provider of basic standards of public amenity, the guarantor of minimum levels of security and, increasingly, the regulator of economic activity and the protector against misfortune of every kind.

“The public expects nothing less.

“Yet protection at this level calls for a general scheme of rights and a more intrusive role for law.

“In Europe, we regulate almost every aspect of employment practice and commercial life, at any rate so far as it impinges upon consumers.

“We design codes of safety regulation designed to eliminate risk in all of the infinite variety of human activities. New criminal offences appear like mushrooms after every rainstorm.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/10481985/More-laws-are-needed-as-religion-declines-top-judge-says.html
 
Salaam

I thought this was an interesting comment on Christianity in British society. Interesting to note as secular ideologues become more influential they more they try to restrict peoples ability to practice their faith. In this instance trying to ban ban faith schools.

An Evening with Professor Self

By Peter Hitchens


Here are a few all too brief words about one of the two debates I attended last week – a discussion about the status of Christianity in England, with Will Self, at t Brunel University in Uxbridge. ( Later, I hope to say a few words about a debate I had in Manchester, also about religion, and to say a few things about P.D.James, and her book ‘An Unsuitable Job for a Woman’, and about the recent film ‘Philomena’, and the book on which it is loosely based ‘The Lost Child of Philomena Lee’ by Martin Sixsmith. I have one last debate to do before the end of the year, after which I shall probably be taking on fewer speaking engagements for a while. Enjoyable as they are, they eat time and energy, and are easier to accept, breezily, in June than to fulfil months later when your diary has filled up with other things).

I think the people who attended our Brunel debate largely enjoyed it, as it was a pretty thoughtful exchange between two articulate people. Mr Self (or Professor Self as he is up there) was particularly exercised about ‘Faith Schools’, as modern radicals always are, seeing them as in some way morally wrong. I’m fairly sure that this will be the main front on which the secularists will advance in coming years. The ordinary state schools have over the past 70 years marginalised or removed most traces of Christianity *as a faith* rather than as one of a number of bizarre anthropological curiosities.

This is in fact a breach of an agreement made at the time, but it goes completely unpunished, even though it quite often involves direct defiance of statute law. I suspect that many of the church schools have reduced it to the very minimum, as they come under increasing pressure to dilute their religious nature. That pressure, dressed up as a war on privilege, and combined with a supposed concern to prevent ‘indoctrination’ of the young in ancient follies, will now increase. The Church of England will probably not fight it that hard. I suspect it sees its formal bureaucratic grip on a large minority of schools as being more important than the actual religious upbringing of the young. Some of its prelates have made remarkably weak and confused statements on this lately. The Roman Catholics may possibly be tougher. But in the end, a confrontation is certain between Christian teaching on such things as marriage, and the equality and diversity agenda promoted by the National Curriculum through personal Health and Social Education.

I said that I was quite happy to see state-backed schools of any faith, if there was a demand for them. Professor Self claimed to doubt my sincerity on Islamic schools, which he is welcome to do, but I assure him that it is genuine. I would very much favour the setting up of actively atheist schools as well, if there is sufficient demand. I would very much like to see this strange, shy, reticent yet aggressive creed taught as a belief and celebrated with Godless singing at morning assembly. We would see how they got on. Perhaps parents from all over the neighbourhood would clamour for places, and the egalitarians would complain that Atheist schools had too low a proportion of pupils receiving free school meals.

An experiment on these lines would test the other question I couldn’t ( as I recall) get Professor Self to answer – namely – what is the source of authority in schools, or anywhere else, once you have abandoned adherence to Christianity? In schools this is particularly important, as the question arises of where the individual teacher’s authority comes from, how the subjects for instruction are selected and how they are approached, as well as the purpose for which education is intended. Most people never think about this, and I suspect this is one of the reasons why secularised British state schools are often so bad, whereas their private rivals, which (so far) retain quite a lot of the character given to them by their largely religious founders, are not.

Despite this, Professor Self alleged that I was ‘intolerant’. I repeatedly challenged him to justify this accusation, but it’s my recollection that he never did. I also teased him for his position of ‘radical agnosticism’, saying that it was an oxymoron much like ‘razor-sharp sponge’, which did not go down well. I would have liked to stay behind and hammer it out at the bar, but alas, I had a pressing engagement elsewhere – as I do now.

http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/
 

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