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The Archbishop of York believes Christians should see Islam as an "ally" in the struggle against secularism.

Dr John Sentamu thinks Muslims aren't offended by Christianity and prefer it to a secular state.

In a wide-ranging speech at York Minster, he also spoke of the recent conflict between Israel and Lebanon saying it cheapened human life.
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from http://www.premier.org.uk/engine.cfm?i=13&pwn=1&pnid=2498

Unfortunately, this is just a news snippet and doesn't say any more. Perhaps I'll go searching ...

Peace.
 
i dont think we should define our relationship as something based on a temporary goal against something else... that is both negative and short sighted...
 
Interesting point, Jayda.
I suppose finding a 'common enemy' could bring the two faiths closer together - but (as you say) at what cost?
 
Fishman said:
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Believing man's laws are superior to God (swt)'s laws is extreme arrogance, and nobody who followed a theist religion would support it.
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Is Secularism about being anti-G-d or is it about creating an envirement where one belief of what G-d wants is not forced on people with another belief.
 
Fishman said:
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Believing man's laws are superior to God (swt)'s laws is extreme arrogance, and nobody who followed a theist religion would support it.
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That just tickle pink cute and wonderful. :giggling: You could never get a concusses on what “god’s laws” are. laying: So that kind of leaves us with man’s laws. "Nobody who followed a theist religion would support it". What? The majority of the people in the West are theists and the majority support secular laws and want separation of church and state.
 
Fishman said:
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Believing man's laws are superior to God (swt)'s laws is extreme arrogance, and nobody who followed a theist religion would support it.
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Yet, the UK as a secular country allows you to be a practising Muslim. Secularism does not mean state-sponsored atheism. Neither does it mean the politicians are supposed to be atheist. It means that no religion should be deemed superior to another at the level of the state and in the law. It guarantees freedom of religion, rather than suppresses it. "Extreme arrogance" would be to say something like: "I'm right and therefor my belief must be law for everyone".

You are wrong btw. Many theists support it, thats why a deeply religious country like the US is also secular.
 
I wonder if the UK became a "Christian Country", if Muslims would be allowed to practice. Or would they have to accept Jesus no matter what?

Secularism is very well allowing Muslims to practice easily in the UK, and Jews in America.
 
KAding said:
Yet, the UK as a secular country allows you to be a practising Muslim. Secularism does not mean state-sponsored atheism. Neither does it mean the politicians are supposed to be atheist. It means that no religion should be deemed superior to another at the level of the state and in the law. It guarantees freedom of religion, rather than suppresses it. "Extreme arrogance" would be to say something like: "I'm right and therefor my belief must be law for everyone".

You are wrong btw. Many theists support it, thats why a deeply religious country like the US is also secular.
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deeply religious country like the US
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lavikor201 said:
I wonder if the UK became a "Christian Country", if Muslims would be allowed to practice. Or would they have to accept Jesus no matter what?

Secularism is very well allowing Muslims to practice easily in the UK, and Jews in America.
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If the UK became a 'Christian country', I would probably just leave, probably with the rest of the British Muslims.
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islam-truth said:
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deeply religious country like the US
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What are you laughing at? The overwhelming majority of Americans are clearly practising and openly religious. Church attendancy is quite high, much higher than mosque attendance among Muslims in Europe for example. Who are you to call them insincere? :?
 
lavikor201 said:
Is Secularism about being anti-G-d or is it about creating an envirement where one belief of what G-d wants is not forced on people with another belief.
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Secularism can become whatever anybody desires it to become. It is secular because it has no "fixed" point of reference. As a populations concept of law changes, the source for the law will change.

In a secular society it can be said that the source for the codes will be the Law books as defined by the majority.

I really doubt if there are any truly secular Governments. Each government seems to base it's laws on the religious laws of the majority population.

Dictionary
Directory > Words > Dictionary sec·u·lar·ism (sĕk'yə-lə-rĭz'əm)
n.
Religious skepticism or indifference.
The view that religious considerations should be excluded from civil affairs or public education.
secularist sec'u·lar·ist n.
secularistic sec'u·lar·is'tic adj.



WordNet
Directory > Words > WordNet Note: click on a word meaning below to see its connections and related words.
The noun secularism has one meaning:

Meaning #1: a doctrine that rejects religion and religious
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The view that religious considerations should be excluded from civil affairs or public education.
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Alright. So are there not Muslims in Turkey who embrace Islam, yet believe it does not have a place in the Government?
 
Woodrow said:
Secularism can become whatever anybody desires it to become. It is secular because it has no "fixed" point of reference. As a populations concept of law changes, the source for the law will change.

In a secular society it can be said that the source for the codes will be the Law books as defined by the majority.

I really doubt if there are any truly secular Governments. Each government seems to base it's laws on the religious laws of the majority population.
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The 'secular' identity of Western governments is not really defined in ordinary law, but rather in the constitutions. So although many laws may be inspired by religious opinion, none can make it so that the state becomes 'religious', because would be in violation of that same constitution.
 
Jews, Christians, and Muslims should be allies. We all pray to the same God. It is man that dictates allies, not religion.
 
lavikor201 said:
Alright. So are there not Muslims in Turkey who embrace Islam, yet believe it does not have a place in the Government?
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Most Muslims here don't like the Turkish governement, who take away the religious freedom of their own people.
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