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:sl: ummah i know its a bit long but i was sent this and wanted to know what you all thought. :?



After a detailed investigation it has been proven beyond any doubt
>that Coke and other cooldrinks are HARAAM for Muslim consumption.
> > > All of the facts gathered during my investigation are found herewith
>including overwhelming proof from a previous investigation conducted by the
>Mujlisul Ulama of South Africa.
> > > This subsequently led to the Mujlisul Ulama declaring COKE HARAAM in
>the early 80's. The UTUSAN KONSUMER declared it HARAAM in 1984 on a
>thorough investigation of its own.
> > > COKE was given a court order by the Indian government to reveal its
>secret recipe but chose to rather pull out of the country than to disclose
>its covert formula.
> > > Since its inception COKE has ignored two court orders to reveal its
>true contents.
> > > The original recipe for COKE is at this point in time locked up in a
>bank vault in the USA.
> > > · At any one time only the Head Chemist at Coca Cola knows the true
>contents of COKE. The formula has been passed down from Head Chemist to his
>predecessor over the years as the Head Chemists have retired.
> > > From all the proof gathered and put together it is astounding how this
>product could ever have been declared HALAAL.
> > > I had personally been abstaining for a year as I had previously had
>doubt and it was therefore better for me to abstain for the sake of TAQWA,
>but it is now a confirmed certitude that COKE is HARAAM and it is now my
>Islamic duty to abstain.
> > > The Contents of COKE
> > > The Secret recipe of COKE as per a formulary book that belonged to
>John Pemberton who invented Coca-Cola 107 years ago. The recipe included
>citrate caffeine, extract of vanilla, seven flavoring oils, fluid extract
>of coca (cocaine), citric acid, lime juice, sugar, water, caramel and
>alcohol. Evidently the cocaine was removed in 1903. Coca-Cola continues to
>dominate the scene after 107 years, and the profits from the sale of it
>have been enormous.is as follows:
> > > Merchandise #1 Sugar
> > > Merchandise #2 Caramel
> > > Merchandise #3 Caffeine
> > > Merchandise #4 Phosphoric Acid
> > > Merchandise #5 Coca leaf and Cola nut Extract (20% Alcohol)
> > > Merchandise #6 Was Lime juice, but was incorporated into Merchandise
>#7X as an oil
> > > Merchandise #7X Flavouring mixture (see below)
> > > Merchandise #8 Vanilla
> > > Merchandise #9 Glycerine, but apparently no longer used
> > > Table: The Secret Recipe of Coca-Cola
> > > The Secret Flavourant Merchandise #7X is made up as follows:
> > > 1 oz (28.35 grams) Citrate Caffeine 3 oz (85.05 grams) Citric Acid
> > > 1 oz (28.35 grams) Extract Vanilla 1 Qt Lime Juice
> > > 2.5 oz (70.88 grams) Flavouring 30 lbs Sugar
> > > 4 oz (113.4 grams) F.E.Coco 2.5 gal (11.365 litres) Water
> > > Caramel sufficient
> > > FLAVOURING
> > > 80 Oil Orange 40 Oil Cinnamon
> > > 120 Oil Lemon 20 Oil Coriander
> > > 40 Oil Nutmeg 40 Oil Neroil
> > > 1 Qt Alcohol (95%)
> > > DIRECTIONS
> > > Mix Caffeine Acid and Lime Juice 1 Qt. Boiling water add vanilla and
>flavouring when cool.
> > > Let stand for 24 hours
> > > THE FACTS
> > > 1. Vanilla Extract (Not synthetic) is HARAAM (see attached
>proof)
> > > 2. Ethanol is HARAAM (see attached proof)
> > > 3. Alcohol is used in the preparation of the secret formula
>called 7X as part of the flavouring (95% Alcohol) - HARAAM
> > > 4. Glycerine that is used in the Formula 7X and also in the
>main recipe is HARAAM. (NB. Glycerine is claimed to not be used in the main
>recipe anymore)
> > > 5. Alcohol is used in the reparation of the Kola leaf and Kola
>nut mixture (20% Alcohol) - HARAAM
> > > Recipe for VANILLA EXTRACT:
> > > 2 Whole vanilla beans
> > > 1 ½ c Vodka or Brandy
> > > ½ c Water
> > > 1 c Granulated sugar
> > > There are various recipes for Vanilla Extract from different resources
>but this is the most common recipe. Apart from synthetic Vanilla Extract
>all recipes for Vanilla Extract contain alcohol, either Brandy or Vodka in
>most cases.
> > > VANILLA EXTRACT has been overlooked and not been investigated before
>today, not even by the Mujlisul Ulama or the Utusan Konsumer in their
>respective investigations.
> > > With regards to ETHANOL below is the following Webster's dictionary
>definition of ETHANOL:
> > > Main Entry: eth a nol
> > > Prounciation: 'e-th&-"nOl, British also 'E-
> > > Function: noun
> > > Date: 1900
> > > : a colorless volatile flammable liquid C2H5OH that is the
>INTOXICATING AGENT in liquors and is also used as a solvent - called also
>ethyl alcohol, grain alcohol
> > > (Based on Merriam-Webster's Collegiate(R) Dictionary, Tenth Edition)
> > > Almost all cooldrinks manufactured today contain ethanol since ethanol
>is used as a dissolving media for most flavourants.
> > > COKE and SPARLETTA amongst others have admitted to having used ethanol
>in their flavouring essence.
> > > The reasoning that Ethanol is not KHAMR as professed by many scholars
>is pure deception by shaitaan and the kuffaar.
> > > The first declaration made by Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam)
>concerning this matter was that not only is wine prohibited but that the
>definition of KHAMR extends to any substance which intoxicates, in whatever
>form or under whatever name it may appear. Thus, for example, beer and
>similar drinks are HARAAM.
> > > Our beloved Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) was once asked about
>certain drinks made from honey, corn, or barley by the process of
>fermenting them until they became alcoholic. Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi
>wasallam), blessed as he was with the best of speech, replied succinctly:
> > > "Every intoxicant is KHAMR and every KHAMR is HARAAM."
> > > And Hadhrat Umar (radhiyallahu anhu) declared from the pulpit of
>Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam): "KHAMR is that which befogs the
>mind."
> > > From the above it is evident that ETHANOL is beyond any doubt HARAAM
>despite what our deceived brothers choose to believe.
> > > GLYCERINE which has already been declared Haraam by the Jamiatul Ulama
>is included in COKE in two forms. It is firstly used in the Vanilla Extract
>as a means to "fix" the aroma of the flavouring. It is also used in the
>main recipe as a preservative although there are claims that it is not used
>any more.
> > > The Flavouring part of Merchandise #7X is made up of 95% ALCOHOL
>together with Lemon, orange, lime, cassia and nutmeg oils mixed together.
> > > Islam takes an uncompromising stand in prohibiting intoxicants,
>regardless of whether the amount is little or much. If an individual
>permitted to take but a single step along this road, other steps follow; he
>starts walking and then running, and does not stop at any stage. This is
>why our beloved Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said:
> > > "Of that which intoxicates in a large amount, a small amount is
>HARAAM."
> > > And again:
> > > "If a bucketful intoxicates, a sip of it is HARAAM."
> > > In connection with alcohol, Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam)
>cursed ten categories of people saying:
> > > "Truly, Allah has cursed KHAMR and has cursed the one who produces it,
>the one for whom it is produced, the one who drinks it, the one who serves
>it, the one who carries it, the one for whom it is carried, the one who
>sells it, the one who earns from the sale of it, the one who buys it, and
>the one for whom it is bought."
> > > When the above verse of Surah al-Maaidah was revealed, Rasulullah
>(sallallahu alayhi wasallam) announced:
> > > "Truly, Allah has prohibited KHAMR. Therefore, whoever hears this
>verse and possesses some of this substance should neither drink it nor sell
>it."
> > > The narrator of the Hadith says: "The people brought forth whatever
>they possessed of it and poured it out in the streets of Madinah."
> > > Islam's stand in prohibiting alcohol and blocking all avenues which
>lead to drinking is very clear and unequivocal.
> > > The Arab's during the period of jaahiliyyah were very fond of wine and
>drinking parties. To eradicate this pervasive evil from society, Allah
>Ta'ala adopted a wise course of education and training, prohibiting it in
>measured stages. First, He made it clear to them that the harm of drinking
>wine is greater than its benefit; next, He told them not to come to Salaat
>while intoxicated; and finally, He revealed the verse in Surah al-Maaidah
>which prohibited it totally and decisively:
> > > "O you who believe! Truly, intoxicants and gambling and divination by
>arrows are an abomination of shaitaans' doing; avoid it in order that you
>may be successful. Assuredly shaitaan desires to sow enmity and hatred
>among you with intoxicants and gambling, and to hinder you from remembrance
>of Allah and from Salaat. Will you not then desist?"
> > > The response of the Muslims to these verses was remarkable indeed. At
>the time some people were drinking, with partly-filled cups in their hands.
>As soon as they heard someone announcing: "Wine has indeed been
>prohibited.", they poured the remaining drinks upon the ground and broke
>the big clay pots in which other drinks were being fermented.
> > > May Allah give us the strength to give up something we love and enjoy,
>something that has become a part of our daily life. May Allah give us the
>strength to give it up just as the Muslims of those times gave up wine and
>drinking parties solely for the pleasure of Allah.
> > > I wish to stress that mere academic knowledge of the HALAAL and
>HARAAM, and of the limits of these is not sufficient. Although the major
>sins and principle obligations are known to every Muslim, nonetheless, we
>find a great many of them indulging in these sins and neglecting those
>obligations, and rushing toward the Fire with their eyes wide open.
> > > If the Muslim is well-versed in the knowledge of his religion and its
>Shariah, and at the same time possesses a fully alert conscience which
>safeguards the limits so that they cannot be overstepped, he is indeed rich
>in all goodness. Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) spoke the truth
>when he said:
> > > "When Allah intends good for a person, He makes his own soul a watcher
>over him."
> > > Just as Islam has prohibited whatever leads toward the HARAAM, it has
>also prohibited resorting to technical legalities in order to do what is
>HARAAM by devious means and excuses inspired by shaitaan. It has
>reprimanded the Jews for resorting to such practices. Rasulullah
>(sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said:
> > > "Do not do what the Jews did in order to (technically) leaglise
>Allah's prohibitions by flimsy excuses."
> > > This is a reference to the fact that Allah had prohibited the Jews to
>hunt on the Sabbath (Saturday). To get around this prohibition they would
>dig ditches on Friday so that the fish would fall into them on Saturday, to
>be caught on Sunday. Those who resort to rationalisations to justify their
>actions consider such practices to be permissible, but the jurists of Islam
>consider them HARAAM, since Allah's purpose was to prevent them from
>hunting on the Sabbath, whether by direct or indirect means.
> > > Calling a HARAAM thing by a name other than its own or changing its
>form while retaining its essence is a devious tactic, since obviously a
>change of name or of form is of no consequence as long as thing and essence
>remain unchanged. Thus, when some people invent new terms in order to deal
>in usury or to consume alcohol, the sin of dealing in usury and drinking
>remains. As we read in the collections of Ahadith
> > > "A group of people will make peoples' intoxication HALAAL by giving it
>other names.
> > > A time will come when people will devour usury, calling it "trade"."
> > > And among the strange phenomena of our time is that people term
>obscene dance "art", liquor "preservatives", and usury "interest".
> > > In all its legislation and moral injunctions, Islam lays great stress
>on nobility of feelings, loftiness of aims, and purity of intentions.
>Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said:
> > > "Actions will be judged by intentions, and everyone will be
>recompensed according to what he intended."
> > > I conclude with the following supplication, which has come to us from
>the early Muslims:
> > > O Allah, make us independent of HARAAM with HALAAL and of disobedience
>to You with obedience to You.
> > > All praise is for Allah Ta'ala, Who guided us to this; had He not
>given us guidance, we could not have been guided.
> > > Kamran...
 
:sl: Jazakallau khairal jaza for this post, God knows he amount of times I'v had the question of wether or not coke is halal and i'v said I just don't know but its best to obstain from things that are mashqooq so thanx again........I don't suppose you could do a :rollseyes similier search for mcdonalds milkshakes and filletofish and fries could you?.......i mean i would be awfully greatfull.....and so would alot of muslims.
 
where did this come from?

:w:

Rabi'ya:rose:
 
Well my friend went to mcdonalds a while back and she ordered a strawberry milkshake when she did the man asked her if she was muslim she said yes and he told her that the milk shake contains pork gelatine. So i geuss its not halal. unless there's a fatwa showing gelatine is halal which iv heard people saying but which i havnt read myself so i won't comment. hope that helps.kay:
 
Assalamu Aleykum Wa Rhametulah

Hope all is well, I'm just curious

Is that an e-mail?

I'm just curious on who's authority is the writing in?
 
I've drunk alot of Coke and Pepsi, and amazingly i've never felt even the slightest bit tipsy.

I know what Drinking alcohol is like,.. trust me, coke is far from alcoholic.

Sounds to me like nothing more than more rubbish that has emerged from england ( my guess is that it is england.. i could be wrong.. ), the land where Muslims love to boycott left right and centre.
 
:sl:

the strawberry milkshake in macdonads, as far as im aware, is haraam. not becuase it contains gelatine but because of the colouring in it. theo ther flavours are fine.

there is a website which i will post inshallah - im just gona search for it.

my sis in law phoned Danone the other day about their yogurts and they have the same issue. the yogurts which have red colouring in them are haraam...only because of the colouring, not because of gelatine.

as far as i know filletofish is not haram, but the sauce they put on it (tartare sauce) is, because it contains spirit vinegar....

:w:

Rabi'ya:rose:

leme find that website inshallah
 
Well my friend went to mcdonalds a while back and she ordered a strawberry milkshake when she did the man asked her if she was muslim she said yes and he told her that the milk shake contains pork gelatine. So i geuss its not halal. unless there's a fatwa showing gelatine is halal which iv heard people saying but which i havnt read myself so i won't comment. hope that helps.kay:

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As for Gelatine, if it is from an animal which has been slaughtered in an islamic sense, it is halal. Otherwise, it is not.
 
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Does anyone know for sure how they slaughter their meat in McDonalds?

And do each outlet get their own meat or is all McDonald meat packaged from one butcher and then send to the outlets?
 
:sl:

Allah knows best about the truth.
I never like drinking cold drinks like Pepsi and Coca-Cola, NEVER ! :happy: masha'Allah !
Instead I prefer drinking fruit juices

:w:
 
i do not like McDonald since i was small when i Heard that it is a jewish Company . well Their meat is haram it is like you going to a haram meat store( although i might not me right if McDonald was in a islamic country i don't know about that).
 
I got into a lift once, and I saw a man with three kids, and he was like talking to them.

then he said 'now kids what does mcdonald do?'

and the kids, the eldest prolly no more than 11 or so, all shouted 'it kills you' lol

and one of them feel on the floor saying look dady lol
 
:salamext:


Please don't argue insha'Allaah. If you can survive without coke, why not skip the doubtful? That's just my opinion. Allaahu a'lam.
 
:sl:

1) There has to be proof, who did this research, how, when, where are the documents?

2) There are only 5 people in the entire world that know the formula of Coca Cola and they arent allowed to fly in the same plane at the same time. Therefore, unless this person who wrote this interviewed the person and he spilt the over hundred years + secret, I think there is much reason to doubt this.

Besides, it looks like it came from those chain emails. That is why, it is important Islamically to verify information whence you get it.

49: 6. O ye who believe! if a Faasiq comes to you with any news, ascertain the truth, Lest ye harm people unwittingly, and afterwards become full of repentance for what ye have done.

These chain emails are nothing short of being very doubtful sources, that is why it is very important that we get our information from a valid source.

But as Br. Fi said, if you believe it to be a matter of doubt, then it is Inshallah best to leave it.

:w:
 
Imagine they all died, that would be so cool, well not that they died, well ok imagine they all lost their memory, that would be so cool, well not that they lost their memory, well ok imagine they just forgot the formula not thing else, that would be so cool, well not that...erm...yes that!

Forget please I hope they forget.
 
:sl:

1) There has to be proof, who did this research, how, when, where are the documents?

2) There are only 5 people in the entire world that know the formula of Coca Cola and they arent allowed to fly in the same plane at the same time. Therefore, unless this person who wrote this interviewed the person and he spilt the over hundred years + secret, I think there is much reason to doubt this.

Besides, it looks like it came from those chain emails. That is why, it is important Islamically to verify information whence you get it.

49: 6. O ye who believe! if a Faasiq comes to you with any news, ascertain the truth, Lest ye harm people unwittingly, and afterwards become full of repentance for what ye have done.


These chain emails are nothing short of being very doubtful sources, that is why it is very important that we get our information from a valid source.

But as Br. Fi said, if you believe it to be a matter of doubt, then it is Inshallah best to leave it.

:w:

As salaamu Alaykum,

Exactly!! :heated:

2) There are only 5 people in the entire world that know the formula of Coca Cola and they arent allowed to fly in the same plane at the same time.

Really? That's Interesting!
 
:sl:

But as Br. Fi said, if you believe it to be a matter of doubt, then it is Inshallah best to leave it.

:w:


I think that is what we should all do, Coke has a secret ingredient we therefore do not know if what we are drinking is indeed halal or not...why then are we consuming something that is doubtful?
We're always looking for excuses to continue drinking this substance, why is that? seems to me like we're addicted...
now that's food for thought..
 
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