Confirmation Trouble....Please Help

manwithnogun

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I am in a bit of a problem....i have to be confirmed into the lutheran church...in 4 days....and its too late to quietly cancel the confirmation. i have even talked about it with my parents so i have to get confirmed. but i looked over what i have to say today and i knew that i could not say it. it just.....is completely against my beliefs. i am Muslim in heart, i know it. If i get confirmed even though i dont believe in it, while i be frowned upon by Allah, and other Muslims?
 
Just do not go there bro. And tell every body that you are not christen any more. Although this act will froun up your previouse relegion friends but Allah will give very better regard. I pray for you anyway.
Masalam
 
You know its a difficult situation you cant go through with it, how did you end up there, do your parents not know your muslim?
 
i had not told my parents my beliefs before. For the last 2 months i have been contemplating all of Islam and now in the last week has Islam taken hold of my life. My parents know now of my beliefs but they say i still must go through with the confirmation. I do wish not to go and i will try full heartedly not to go.....but i am afraid of what will happen if i do end up having to get confirmed.
 
i'm surprised that your parents want you to do it even though you no longer believe. kind of hypocritical....
here's an idea.
i'm not a muslim, so if this is wrong, a muslim will correct me.
have you said your shahadah yet? if you haven't, i think that you are not officially a muslim.
so you could go through with it and when it's over, say your shahadah and be a muslim.
good luck.
 
The confirmation is for me to state my belief in Jesus as God, which i cannot do, so i can become a member of the Church. Thats a very breif explanation of a confirmation but it is very much like the Shahadah. And confirmation completely contridicts my beliefs so i cannot say it I would be preaching on the outside that Jesus is God and feeling on the inside there is no god but Allah
 
just don't go, i know its really easier to say than to do but even IF they FORCE you, you can still do the shahada afterwards ( ONLY IF YOU HAVE TO)

Allah is Oft-Forgiving He Knows what is in your heart and that's what counts.
 
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What did your parents say when you told them that you don't want to go?

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Read the story of the family of Yasser. The wife, Somaya Bintul-Khayat, a slim, weak, 60 years-old woman, was often tortured by Abu-Jahl, until she died. Two days later, Somaya’s husband, Yasser died, leaving behind the young, Ammar Ibn-Yasser, who suffered greatly, as well. The disbelievers forced him to renounce Islam/curse the prophet and he did. He came to the prophet (saw) to relay what occured. The prophet , God's praise and peace be upon him, allowed Ammar Ibn Yasser to curse him when he was under torture [a reference to a story in the Hadeeth].
 
So if you think that you will get into big trouble (parents throwing you out, making your live misery whilst you are still dependent on them), do as they say whilst in your heart and intention that you believe God Almighty and that you'd never associate Him with others.
 
bro im sure your parents would understand if you explain that it goes against your belief and you dont want to utter what you dont believe etc.


i dont kno if its allright to utter that because from what i understand you need to be persecuted/tortured FORCED to say it and then saying it is permissable.



my MANWITHNOGUN i think its best you approach a mosque and talk to an imaam about this, do you know any muslim brothers perhaps they can refer you?

dont worry worst comes to worst then perhaps its ok to go but then straight away declare to Allah that what you said isnt what you mean and repent etc...

im still not sure lol, sorry i wish i could help you more..
 
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Read the story of the family of Yasser. The wife, Somaya Bintul-Khayat, a slim, weak, 60 years-old woman, was often tortured by Abu-Jahl, until she died. Two days later, Somaya’s husband, Yasser died, leaving behind the young, Ammar Ibn-Yasser, who suffered greatly, as well. The disbelievers forced him to renounce Islam/curse the prophet and he did. He came to the prophet (saw) to relay what occured. The prophet , God's praise and peace be upon him, allowed Ammar Ibn Yasser to curse him when he was under torture [a reference to a story in the Hadeeth].

but sis do you think its the same?

i dont see our brother here being tortured to say it... i mean ammar ibn yassir underwent torture before uttering it, thats how much he had stuck to it.. and then even after that he cried so much and felt terrible...
 
Greetings,
bro im sure your parents would understand if you explain that it goes against your belief and you dont want to utter what you dont believe etc.

That seems the sensible thing to do.

I don't understand the parents' argument that it's too late not to get confirmed. Surely people can be confirmed into the Christian faith at any time of life?

i dont kno if its allright to utter that because from what i understand you need to be persecuted/tortured FORCED to say it and then saying it is permissable.

I think a form of persecution is going on here. If someone is prohibited from expressing their beliefs openly, what else do you call it?

Peace
 
Hey manwithnogun. :)



First of all, congratulations on learning about Islaam. Without a doubt, it is the true religion which every child is born into, then his/her parents make this child turn into a Christian, Jew, Zoroastrian, etc. As the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) rightly said.


In regard to your situation, you can either:


1) Tell your parents the truth, that you do not want to become Christian, and that you do not believe in it. You could even ask them questions which you don't understand, to make it clear to them that it does not make sense to you.


2) You could stay quiet, and keep your faith secret.

Let's look at the following verse (translation of the meaning):


Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief,- except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty.

[Qur'an 16:106]



Ibn Kathir, a famous commentator on Qur'an states;


The scholars agreed that if a person is forced into disbelief, it is permissible for him to either go along with them in the interests of self-preservation...


From the above, we see that a person is permitted to hide his/her faith if they feel under threat, i.e. if they will receive torture for making their acceptance of Islaam apparent.



However, a person can also make his/her Islaam apparent, and refuse the other religion.


Ibn Kathir continues;

...or to refuse, as Bilal (a companion of Allah's Messenger) did when they were inflicting all sorts of torture on him, even placing a huge rock on his chest in the intense heat and telling him to admit others as partners with Allah. He refused, saying, "Alone, Alone.''


Similarly, when the Liar Musaylimah asked Habib bin Zayd Al-Ansari, "Do you bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah'' He said, "Yes.'' Then Musaylimah asked, "Do you bear witness that I am the messenger of Allah'' Habib said, "I do not hear you.'' Musaylimah kept cutting him, piece by piece, but he remained steadfast insisting on his words.


[SOURCE]


Musaylimah was a false and lying man, who also claimed to be a Prophet at the time of Muhammad (peace be upon him) - the true final Messenger of Allaah. Musaylimah would slice a piece off Zayd Al-Ansari, each time he denied that Musaylimah (the liar) was a Prophet. Zayd died as a martyr, God willing - because he remained firm upon the truth without giving up his religion, even though he was severely persecuted.



Know that your family will not be with you on the Day of Judgement, when every soul Allaah has created will return to Him. Allaah says (translation of the meaning):


One Day every soul will come up struggling for itself, and every soul will be recompensed (fully) for all its actions, and none will be unjustly dealt with.

[Qur'an 16: 111]



So even if your family gives you a hard time, know that they cannot harm you or benefit you except by Allaah's will. And He is All-Aware, and the responder of those who pray to Him, at times of hardship and ease.



Pray to Allaah to provide a way out for you from this hardship, and we will do the same. You could ask your parents to maybe delay this, telling them that you do not want to be a hypocrite. Maybe as time progresses, Allaah will open their eyes and make them abit more relaxed also? And this might be the time when you can gradually show the goodness of Islaam? Maybe through time, Allaah will open their heart to it also?

Right now, just pray to Allaah because He is the responder of prayers.


When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every supplicant when he calleth on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way.

[Qur'an 2: 186]


Place your trust in Allaah, and know that nothing happens except by His decree. He is the All-Knowing, All Aware. And He is the responder of prayers.







Peace.
 

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