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I always here this, that in Islam anyone who reverts from Islam to any other religion should be put to death, I know Saudi and other countries (like IRAN) practice this, why?
 
Salaam brother
That's a good question.

Leaving Islam in general is not the genuine of the problem as much as it is about propagation against it; because Islam is based on sincerity and Only God can put sincerity in the hearts of human beings. The main problem though is when the 'ex-Muslim' propagates against Islam and shows disrespect and hostility towards it.

Because I am not an official authority nor do I own anything of knowledge concerning this matter beyond merely 'my point of view' the website has regulations as to not give any answer regarding Islam with out evidence from at least one of the two main sources : Qur'an and Sunnah- Again I am no expert but the following are some verses from the Qur'an - Muslims dispute whether 'killing' the one who leaves Islam or not has any legitimacy though there is no particular verse in the Qur'an that says : 'Kill one who leave the religion' the Muslims who support this point of view base their Judgement one Hadeeth of the Prophet PBUH- (please pardon me for not recalling it),Others say it is not legitimate to kill anyone - even if they leave Islam.

From the Holy Qur'an:
1.256. There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Tâghût- Misguidance and believes in Allâh, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allâh is All-Hearer, All-Knower.-[The Cow-The Holy Qur'an].

2.29. And say: "The truth is from your Lord." Then whosoever wills, let him believe, and whosoever wills, let him disbelieve-[The Cave- The Holy Qur'an].

In the time of our Abubakr-RA he led the ' War against apostacy' but what were the causes of this war?
Is it because the people decided to leave Islam and join another religion? No. That wasn't the case,but the said we are Muslims but we refuse to pay the Zakat (Obligatory Charity), this is why Abu bakr gave them a chance and two but they still refused and it lead to the war because Abubakr did not want a new denomination forming - claiming that there is no Zakat in Islam and to protect the fundamental terms of Islam after the death of the prophet- the war was declared for the general benefit. In conclusion when it comes to something personal no one can interfere because it is between you and God; But when it concerns the General rights then there are some measure that are taken.


Musaylamah was a man who was a Muslim before but then; He claimed Prophecy at the time of the prophet PBUH, The Prophet only sent him a message telling him that - The Land is God's He inherits it to whoever He wills; And the best ending is for the pious. The prophect did not order to kill him or any one who decided to follow him;but after the prophet's death Musaylamah raged his followers to attack and kill the Muslims, It was obligatory for the Khalifah to declare war against him to ensure combat and self defense.

Only simple measurements, This answer can't be taken as 'the right' answer; I only wanted to give you an answer.
Hopefully you get better answers from other members.

Salaam.
 
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I always here this, that in Islam anyone who reverts from Islam to any other religion should be put to death
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It is impossible to revert from Islam to any other religion.

But you can revert from any other religion, or none, to Islam.

To revert means to go back to your original state, the state you were born in. And this is the state everyone was born in:

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger :saws: as saying: "There is none born but is created to his true nature (Islam). It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a polytheist..." (part of a longer hadeeth in Sahih Muslim, Book 33, Hadeeth no 6426).

So people can only revert to a state they were originally in. You can't revert to a state you weren't in to begin with, i.e. to any other religion or none.

To convert or apostatise would be a better term to use.

And Allah knows best.

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So that people dont take apostasy an easy matter, this is not a video game u enter this religion and leave it anytime u wish.

People should better think before entering the religion.
 
Maybe I'm just throwing this out here, but Apostasy should be an issue between you and God not the courts of the Islamic Republics of Iran or Afghanistan or the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
 
Boaz said:
Maybe I'm just throwing this out here, but Apostasy should be an issue between you and God not the courts of the Islamic Republics of Iran or Afghanistan or the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
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Maybe you need to first tell your own government (USA i believe) who just assassinated one of their own citizens for accusation of treason (ie. apostasy in Islam).
 
SALAM

Some people leave ISLam because of situation, not all has good imaan, however as no one can go to one's niyyah and future, i would'nt vote to kill people for leaving it

there is no compulsion in religion and we'll never know if they will seriously repent
 
Boaz said:
Maybe I'm just throwing this out here, but Apostasy should be an issue between you and God not the courts of the Islamic Republics of Iran or Afghanistan or the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
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There are certain legal laws in islam which should be applied here in this dunya, there are certain benefits in doing that, or else a follower of a certain faith can rob and do whatever he likes and say its between me and god?

Ramadhan said:
Maybe you need to first tell your own government (USA i believe) who just assassinated one of their own citizens for accusation of treason (ie. apostasy in Islam).
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and the apostate is killed when he testifies with his own mouth that he is an apostate like rushdie and his likes or if its established otherwise

Riana17 said:
Some people leave ISLam because of situation, not all has good imaan, however as no one can go to one's niyyah and future, i would'nt vote to kill people for leaving it

there is no compulsion in religion and we'll never know if they will seriously repent
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Well then may be the enemy of allah will start reverting and then apostating to make fun of this religion?
 
Insecured soul said:
There are certain legal laws in islam which should be applied here in this dunya, there are certain benefits in doing that, or else a follower of a certain faith can rob and do whatever he likes and say its between me and god?
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But robbery is not like changing faiths, I may be wrong but then If I do have faith in God and follow a certain religion with certitude, it wouldn't matter how many people come and leave the religion what matters is that you have faith. I didn't mean to offend I'm only giving you my point of view and I'll accept yours as well.


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Well then may be the enemy of allah will start reverting and then apostating to make fun of this religion?
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Making fun of the religion does not make it less worthy- To explain the prophet peace and blessings be upon him was made fun of, they used to step on his neck and they used to even in one narration to spit on his pure face. They used all kinds of jokes and mockery tricks to weaken him down but he still faced up all these trials with great patience and showed us that true strength is not in having muscles and a 'gifted cunning mouth' but rather it is when you stand up to what you believe in.

Also, in the Miracle of Israa and Miraaj when the prophet told some of the people about what has happened they started laughing and making fun of him, and they thought that this was 'the thing' that would make all his followers dent his message-In that night Abu bakr ( the companion of the prophet) was named the Siddiq- The Truthfull.Because his saying- I believe him when he says that revelation comes to him from the heavens in less than a fraction of a second, that is more extraordinary than me believing that he went to a trip to Jeruslam in a one night. What great and truthfull faith did God gave him to posses?
And there were also many followers in Makkah that decided to leave Islam;the prophet didn't kill them or order to kill them.

What I'm trying to say is - whether the whole word becomes Muslim or the whole world leave it or even launches a hate campaign against it. A believer is a believer until the end of time because faith is conviction inside your heart and it does not wear down when faced with criticism but rather it may increase.

Hearts are between the fingers of God; He turns them as He wills. One may wake up to be a believer and turns into a disbeliever in the evening. Another may go to bed as a disbeliever but wakes up as a believer in the morning.

Salaam
 
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they used to step on his neck and they used to even in one narration to spit on his pure face
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I think his name was uqba ibn abi muaet, and do u know when prophet pbuh conquered mecca he was specifically asked to be killed by rasul allah?

There are certain individual who do certain things which cannot be forgiven.
 
Not all apostates are to be killed, usually apostates leave the islamic state themselves because they don't agree with the islamic life styles and principles of the Muslims, so they may go where ever they want.

But yes they cannot attempt treason and espionage against the muslims and their states, spread hatred and incite violence, the punishment for which, ALL over the world , is death. In the history of Islam, only those apostates were killed which were persistent enemies of Islam who were always conspiring against the muslims and would cause them significant losses and mortify their feelings one way or the other.
 
And the most notable point is, that Most apostates indulge in vain behavior and practice their hatred against the muslims by spreading lies about Islam, like in the case of Rushdie, and they try to mortify their respect figures in the name of freedom of speech.

They also try to make a few quick bucks by it, since non muslims LOVE the apostates, kiss their feet , hold them high and shower money and favours on them.( e.g the Non muslim govts like US, Uk provide asylum to apostates, give citizenship, financially support them and their entire families ) and in most cases make popular figures out of them no matter how pathetic they are in their intellect or character.
 
Let me see if I am unerstanding you correctly.

You, as good muslims, are not to kill people who stop being muslims. But you ARE to kill them if they go on to say bad things about Islam or Mohammed?

Have I misread this? If so, can you clarify?
 
Pygoscelis said:
Let me see if I am unerstanding you correctly.

You, as good muslims, are not to kill people who stop being muslims. But you ARE to kill them if they go on to say bad things about Islam or Mohammed?

Have I misread this? If so, can you clarify?
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Nope you havn't misread, you still can read simple sentences thankfully.

If someone leaves Islam, thats fine. If they turn around and start leading others to do the same, that's not fine at all.

Islam isn't like Christianity/Judaism in the sense that it's just "faith". To Muslims, it is fact, and we're not just going to stand there and let more people be mislead straight into hell fire.

Doubt you'd understand, but it's caring for our society and Ummah, rather then see it rot away and embrace more corrupters.
 
SFatima said:
They also try to make a few quick bucks by it, since non muslims LOVE the apostates, kiss their feet , hold them high and shower money and favours on them.( e.g the Non muslim govts like US, Uk provide asylum to apostates, give citizenship, financially support them and their entire families ) and in most cases make popular figures out of them no matter how pathetic they are in their intellect or character.
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Salaam,

Let's be careful with wording here. Not all non-Muslims support ex-Muslims. Some apostates have become popular after 9/11 with the help of some thinktanks.

The British legal system does not treat ex-Muslim favourably than any other group. People that fulfill the following criteria will be granted asylum:

Asylum is given under the 1951 United Nations Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees. To be recognised as a refugee, you must have left your country and be unable to go back because you have a well-founded fear of persecution because of your:

1. race
2. religion
3. nationality
4. political opinion
5. membership of a particular social group
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In addition, where an ex-Muslim does insult or raise allegations about Islam and Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H), there should be a trial. There can be a possibility that some people falsely accuse other individuals of insulting Islam. The death penalty is not always the solution. Let's assume an ex-Muslim does insult and raise allegations about Islam. These allegations must be addressed otherwise some Muslims will begin to develop doubts.
 
Pygoscelis said:
Let me see if I am unerstanding you correctly.

You, as good muslims, are not to kill people who stop being muslims. But you ARE to kill them if they go on to say bad things about Islam or Mohammed?

Have I misread this? If so, can you clarify?
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Maybe this will help:

Let me see if I am unerstanding you correctly.

You, as good Americans, are not to kill people who stop being Americans. But you ARE to kill them if they go on to say bad things about America or Americans?

Have I misread this? If so, can you clarify?
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I suppose that means I should be executed as I am not too fond of America or most Americans these days and have been more vocal about it lately.

Bury me upside down, so the world can kiss it.

That is my last request.