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oh man what a sad day if any of these neo-con crusading terrorists become president:

During the Faux News “debate,” actually a tightly scripted soap opera, the Huckster said Iran would see the “gates of Hell” if it dared confront U.S. warships parked off its coastline in the Strait of Hormuz.

Mr. Law and Order, faux good ol’ boy Fred Thompson, agreed whole heartedly. “Mr Huckabee has faced grave doubts about his foreign policy experience, his greatest vulnerability, but got one of the biggest cheers of the night when asked about the incident last week when Iranian boats swarmed US navy ships in the Strait of Hormuz,” reports the Times Online.

Asked whether the American commanders on the scene were right in not attacking the Iranian boats, Mr Huckabee said he backed their decisions, before warning Iran: “Be prepared, first, to put your sights on the American vessel. And then be prepared that the next thing you see will be the gates of Hell, because that is exactly what you will see after that.”

Fred Thompson, the former Tennessee senator and Law & Order star who is banking all on victory in South Carolina to revive his campaign, said of the Iranian boat crews: “I think one more step and they would have been introduced to those virgins that they’re looking forward to seeing.” The crowd cheered.

Rudy Giuliani, the former New York mayor, said: “I think an incident like this reminds us that we shouldn’t be lulled into some false sense of confidence about Iran.”

Mitt Romney, the former Massachusetts governor seeking to become America’s first Mormon president, said: “I believe it was a very serious act.” Indeed, the “crowd cheered,” as they are accustomed to celebrating lies, sort of the same way a well trained monkey dances to an organ grinder.

As Gareth Porter notes for Inter Press Service, the entire incident is little more than a boatload of hooey. “Despite the official and media portrayal of the incident in the Strait of Hormuz early Monday morning as a serious threat to U.S. ships from Iranian speedboats that nearly resulted in a ‘battle at sea’, new information over the past three days suggests that the incident did not involve such a threat and that no U.S. commander was on the verge of firing at the Iranian boats.”

In fact, it appears the neocon propaganda spinners exploited the fact “that in the Persian Gulf, the ‘bridge-to-bridge’ radio channel used to communicate between ships ‘is like a bad CB radio’ with many people using it for ‘hurling racial slurs’ and ‘threats.’” Porter writes that a “veteran U.S. naval officer who had served as a surface warfare officer aboard a U.S. Navy destroyer in the Gulf sent a message to the New York Times” indicating that his “first thought” was that the message “might not have even come from one of the Iranian craft.” Pentagon officials later sheepishly admitted to the New York Times that they could not rule out that the broadcast might have come from another source, not the Revolutionary Guard.

In other words, it is certainly not out of the realm of possibility that the entire affair was made up, as the neocons are infamous for making things up as a pretext for mass murder.

Of course, none of this matters because, thanks to the corporate media, a lot of people now believe Iran was ready to attack our precious warships. All it takes to “catapult the propaganda,” as the neocon tool Bush would have it, is to run a few hours of sensationalistic and bogus sound bites on Faux and CNN, rerun file footage of destroyers and fast boats, and of course ominous images of mullahs and fanatical Revolutionary Guards marching in formation.

Bingo, zingo — you have another Gulf of Tonkin, or something perilously close.

Thus serious catapulting as a matter of course occurred during the “debate,” with the selectees pounding their chests like primates and making not so veiled threats against a country that has done absolutely nothing to the American people, not that any actual threat is the reason the neocons have made so much noise about Iran. It has nothing to do with reality. It has everything to do with the neocon plan to deconstruct the Muslim Middle East by way of bunker buster and cruise missile.

http://www.truthnews.us/?p=1643


the video is in the link....notice how the audience go wild and cheer....yes cheering about killing and sending people to the gates of hell, yes feel the peace and love of these Americans?????????????????

when Iran says they will bomb american bases if america bombs their nation we see so many americans and american media outlets going crazy, yet now we see american politicians running for presidency saying they would blow the iranians to hell if iran did anything and americans cheer it!!!!!!!!!! hypocrisy at its best if you ask me.......basically these neocons and their sheep followers have made it loud and clear, they are allowed to bomb and defend themselves, but other nations such as iran dont have that right, lets even be more specific, muslim nations dont have that right.
 
oh man what a sad day if any of these neo-con crusading terrorists become president:.


Agreed. I don't like Huckabee, and since he is the only candidate to openly declares his support for "Intelligent Design" makes him a candidate nobody should trust.

That said, the US is democratic. Unlike, say Iran that just has an undemocratic puppet religous zealot that simply claims a country should be wiped off the map.

Since the US is democratic, majority opinion win's the day where as in a country like Iran opinion can and is SILENCED.


During the Faux News “debate,” actually a tightly scripted soap opera, the Huckster said Iran would see the “gates of Hell” if it dared confront U.S. warships parked off its coastline in the Strait of Hormuz.

He WAS NOT talking about Iran, he was talking about "Any hostile force"!!!!!! That threatened the US Military, I think his response would be echoed by any other country that had it's military attacked.

The US is a member of the NATO allience, an attack on one member of NATO is an attck on all members so I would expect such a country attacking a NATO signatory to be prepared to see the gates of hell.

Prophet Mohammed united the broken up Arabs in much the same manner.
 
He WAS NOT talking about Iran, he was talking about "Any hostile force"!!!!!! That threatened the US Military, I think his response would be echoed by any other country that had it's military attacked.

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then dont complain when Iran says the exact same thing! as i said hypocrisy!!!!!!!! when Iran says they will unleash a barrage of missiles targetting american bases if america attacks them you all go mad......now when america says it its all good and dandy?
 
then dont complain when Iran says the exact same thing! as i said hypocrisy!!!!!!!! when Iran says they will unleash a barrage of missiles targetting american bases if america attacks them you all go mad......now when america says it its all good and dandy?

Wow, I am amazed how quickly you get off the train of facts and start rambling if, but's and maybe......

No hypocricy here. Besides, one of the points I made was a distinct thread to "Anybody acting aggressively towards the US" where as Iran specifically mentions targetting US bases & wiping Israel off the map. The two are not two of the same.

Quite different.
 
Deliver Iran to the Gates of hell- Republican Candidate
Not possible until after al-dajjal comes and leads them to try to take over the world( in any case I believe they will both be allies of one another for many year despite them pretending to be at each others throat)
 
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Wow, I am amazed how quickly you get off the train of facts and start rambling if, but's and maybe......

No hypocricy here. Besides, one of the points I made was a distinct thread to "Anybody acting aggressively towards the US" where as Iran specifically mentions targetting US bases & wiping Israel off the map. The two are not two of the same.

Quite different.

lol you want to speak about facts? how about you go learn farsi for a start, because the iranian president never said anything about wiping israel off the map, but its ok you can keep spewing that garbage as the silly sheep that you are....

as for iran saying it would target american bases, dang right they said that, but they said they would target the bases ONLY IF america attacked them! funny you missed that part ey? and you just proved your a hypocrite, thanks, when iran says it will destroy american bases if they are attacked you go cry and act like iran is the big bad boy, but right now your saying its ok for you neocons to say you will blow iran to hell if they attack you, or those 'speed' boats.

so no there is nothing quite different between the 2.....
 
Agreed. I don't like Huckabee, and since he is the only candidate to openly declares his support for "Intelligent Design" makes him a candidate nobody should trust.

That said, the US is democratic. Unlike, say Iran that just has an undemocratic puppet religous zealot that simply claims a country should be wiped off the map.

Since the US is democratic, majority opinion win's the day where as in a country like Iran opinion can and is SILENCED.




He WAS NOT talking about Iran, he was talking about "Any hostile force"!!!!!! That threatened the US Military, I think his response would be echoed by any other country that had it's military attacked.

The US is a member of the NATO allience, an attack on one member of NATO is an attck on all members so I would expect such a country attacking a NATO signatory to be prepared to see the gates of hell.

Prophet Mohammed united the broken up Arabs in much the same manner.


I live in Iran, nothing is silenced here! Everyone can speak freely. The usa can't do crap to Iran. You didn't hear the news of the Iranian military carving their flag on one of the us "naval bases". The naval base that they claim nothing can get anywhere near it? The idiot naval base didn't even notice it, until after the Iranian military told them. Don't underestimate the Iranian military!

The usa is AFRAID of Iran! The minute the usa attacks Iran, they can say goodbye to their beloved israel. We got hidden airbases in all the neighboring countries. We even have missles that can be guided from right here, right in sharon's face (maybe that'll wake him up from his coma?)

If NATO's got the usa's back, Russia's backing Iran, they might not care much about Iran, but a lot of their interests are in Iran. You can be sure if usa makes the smallest move towards Iran, Russia will be here smacking the usa around.

Iran fought the world once before, we will fight again! No intruder can get into the land of Islam! I will fight to the last drop of my blood!

COME ON USA! COME IF YOU DARE! WE'RE READY FOR YOU! you good for nothing terrorists!
 
To me with this issue, I have to say that these politicians went overboard with the comments and the language that they chose, it doesnt help the current situation and only fuels the fire. Iran wasnt right to make threats to the US, these presidential candidates didnt have to threaten Iran, they could have said "If I were in office I would be making more attempts at diplomacy so situations like this are far less likely to occur", and the Iranian government should also be doing the same rather than barking like dogs back and forth.

With that said, any attack on a US ship or soil or on Iranian ships or soil should be done with the expectation of some sort of retaliation. To think otherwise would be foolish... Lets hope for the best and hope for better relations between the two
 
I live in Iran, nothing is silenced here! Everyone can speak freely.!

The human rights situation deteriorated, with civil society facing increasing restrictions on fundamental freedoms of expression and association. Scores of political prisoners, including prisoners of conscience, continued to serve prison sentences imposed following unfair trials in previous years. Thousands more arrests were made in 2006, mostly during or following demonstrations. Human rights defenders, including journalists, students and lawyers, were among those detained arbitrarily without access to family or legal representation. Torture, especially during periods of pre-trial detention, remained commonplace. At least 177 people were executed, at least four of whom were under 18 at the time of the alleged offence, including one who was under 18 at the time of execution. Two people were reportedly stoned to death. Sentences of flogging, amputation and eye-gouging continued to be passed. The true numbers of those executed or subjected to corporal punishment were probably considerably higher than those reported

Source:http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/middle-east-and-north-africa/east-gulf/iran


The usa can't do crap to Iran. You didn't hear the news of the Iranian military carving their flag on one of the us "naval bases". The naval base that they claim nothing can get anywhere near it? The idiot naval base didn't even notice it, until after the Iranian military told them. Don't underestimate the Iranian military!

I sure hope you are right. Though I doubt ultimately you will be, and I sincerely hope that it is never put to the test.

The usa is AFRAID of Iran! The minute the usa attacks Iran, they can say goodbye to their beloved israel. We got hidden airbases in all the neighboring countries. We even have missles that can be guided from right here, right in sharon's face (maybe that'll wake him up from his coma?)

This would escalate into a full nuclear exchange. Life as we know it will never be the same again.

If NATO's got the usa's back, Russia's backing Iran, they might not care much about Iran, but a lot of their interests are in Iran. You can be sure if usa makes the smallest move towards Iran, Russia will be here smacking the usa around.

Nobody is backing anybody. I doubt very much Russia will come to your aid, seriously. It might kick up a fuss and blow hot ayr, but that would be all.

Iran fought the world once before, we will fight again! No intruder can get into the land of Islam! I will fight to the last drop of my blood!

The Japanese were like that too. They never got to sanction it.

COME ON USA! COME IF YOU DARE! WE'RE READY FOR YOU! you good for nothing terrorists!

I hope not. Truly I do.
 
you are a fool, it is no wonder the world is the way it is ffended:

If loving my country means I'm a fool, then yes I am. If caring about the wellbeing of my mother, sister, father, my family, my neighbors and fellow countrymen means I'm a fool, then I'm the biggest fool there is.

I'll not sit here and let them intrude our contry like they did to Afghanistan and Iraq! I'll not sit here and watch women suffer. I'll fight for my country, like a man!

The world is the way it is because of the usa. The 9/11 attacks were all done by the usa's government. The planning, the hichjacking of the planes, everything. It was just an excuse for starting a war, which they did. Did they find any weapons of mass destruction? nope. Any bio/chemical weapons? nope.

If you didn't know already, the person called "sadam hussein" was a product of the usa. The usa fed him, made him strong, to the point where he became independet and started defying the usa. So they usa came up with an excuse to take him out.

They same thing happened with the Shah of Iran, and the same will happen with israel.

If usa makes the smallest move towards Iran, I guarantee you it will be the next world war!

Read a history book, it's all in there. Know the facts, don't go around calling anyone you want a fool.

I've lived in the usa and seen the people. You people don't know a drop about politics. The government's keeping you busy, so they can do whatever the hell they want.

It's different here in the middle east. The most illiterate person knows more about politics than a college gradute knows in the usa
 
mr.root i read that amnesty thing you quoted....

executing criminals isnt a crime, nor is it something evil......nor is amputating a major thiefs hand etc etc, now maybe YOU and some of your people think it is, but just cause you think these type of things are 'evil' 'backward' or 'barbaric' doesnt actually mean or prove they are......

so plz bring some 'real' issues instead of trying to force your way of morality and what is right and wrong on us.....that would help alot.....
 
If loving my country means I'm a fool, then yes I am. If caring about the wellbeing of my mother, sister, father, my family, my neighbors and fellow countrymen means I'm a fool, then I'm the biggest fool there is.

I'll not sit here and let them intrude our contry like they did to Afghanistan and Iraq! I'll not sit here and watch women suffer. I'll fight for my country, like a man!

The world is the way it is because of the usa. The 9/11 attacks were all done by the usa's government. The planning, the hichjacking of the planes, everything. It was just an excuse for starting a war, which they did. Did they find any weapons of mass destruction? nope. Any bio/chemical weapons? nope.

If you didn't know already, the person called "sadam hussein" was a product of the usa. The usa fed him, made him strong, to the point where he became independet and started defying the usa. So they usa came up with an excuse to take him out.

They same thing happened with the Shah of Iran, and the same will happen with israel.

If usa makes the smallest move towards Iran, I guarantee you it will be the next world war!

Read a history book, it's all in there. Know the facts, don't go around calling anyone you want a fool.

I've lived in the usa and seen the people. You people don't know a drop about politics. The government's keeping you busy, so they can do whatever the hell they want.

It's different here in the middle east. The most illiterate person knows more about politics than a college gradute knows in the usa

Yeah right. Next you will tell us the moon landings were faked, and Iran does not have any homosexuals. :haha:
 
The human rights situation deteriorated, with civil society facing increasing restrictions on fundamental freedoms of expression and association. Scores of political prisoners, including prisoners of conscience, continued to serve prison sentences imposed following unfair trials in previous years. Thousands more arrests were made in 2006, mostly during or following demonstrations. Human rights defenders, including journalists, students and lawyers, were among those detained arbitrarily without access to family or legal representation. Torture, especially during periods of pre-trial detention, remained commonplace. At least 177 people were executed, at least four of whom were under 18 at the time of the alleged offence, including one who was under 18 at the time of execution. Two people were reportedly stoned to death. Sentences of flogging, amputation and eye-gouging continued to be passed. The true numbers of those executed or subjected to corporal punishment were probably considerably higher than those reported

Source:http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/middle-east-and-north-africa/east-gulf/iran




I sure hope you are right. Though I doubt ultimately you will be, and I sincerely hope that it is never put to the test.



This would escalate into a full nuclear exchange. Life as we know it will never be the same again.



Nobody is backing anybody. I doubt very much Russia will come to your aid, seriously. It might kick up a fuss and blow hot ayr, but that would be all.



The Japanese were like that too. They never got to sanction it.



I hope not. Truly I do.

Oh come on, the media never tells the truth, and you know it. Do I know what's going on in my country or some report that you posted?

First of all, every country has political prisoners, I'm not going to deny that we don't have that here. But the red quote up there, that's all made up. There was a couple of demonstrations by some college students around 4, or 5 years ago. Like 10 people were captured and put into prison, and they were released shortly.

You want to talk about human rights violations? How about bush bombing innocent civilians? Do you know how many people migrated to Iran from Afghanistan and Iraq when usa started attacking them? More than a million from each country! The Iranian government gave them shelter, food, clothing, and provided all their basic needs until they could go back to their own countries. Do you read these articles also? or just some lies that you posted in red?
 
but anyway mr root just cause you wanted to act smart by quoting amnesty on iran, lets do the same thing with USA, lol lets use your silly logic, by doing so we will now prove USA is very evil:

Thousands of detainees continued to be held in US custody without charge or trial in Iraq, Afghanistan and the US naval base in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. In June, the US Supreme Court struck down the military commissions established by President Bush and reversed the presidential decision not to apply Article 3 common to the four Geneva Conventions to detainees suspected of links with the Taleban or al-Qa'ida.

Congress passed the Military Commissions Act stripping the US federal courts of the jurisdiction to hear habeas corpus appeals from such detainees, providing for trials by military commission, and amending the US War Crimes Act. In September, President Bush confirmed the existence of a programme of secret detentions run by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).

There were reports of possible extrajudicial executions by US soldiers in Iraq, with a number of soldiers facing prosecution. There was a continued failure to hold senior government officials accountable for torture and other ill-treatment of "war on terror" detainees despite evidence that abuses had been systematic. There were reports of police brutality and ill-treatment in detention facilities in the USA. More than 70 people died after being struck by police tasers. Fifty-three people were executed in 14 states. Hundreds of detainees were held without charge or trial at the US air base in Bagram, Afghanistan, with no provision for judicial review. Some had been detained for more than two years without access to lawyers, their families or the courts. In November, the US authorities said that a "significant percentage" of the Afghan detainees at Bagram might be transferred to the custody of the Afghan government within a year. It also said that some Afghans and other nationals would be kept at Bagram or transferred to Guantánamo.

Thousands of people were held by the US forces in Iraq, including several hundred "security internees" detained since before the handover of power to the interim Iraqi government in June 2004. There were no formal review procedures applying in such cases. Detainees arrested after that date had their detentions reviewed initially by a magistrate (often without the presence of the detainee) and thereafter by a non-judicial body at six-monthly intervals. There were reports of ill-treatment of suspects in jails and police custody, involving abusive use of restraints and electro-shock weapons. More than 70 people died after being shocked with tasers (dart-firing electro-shock weapons), bringing to more than 230 the number of such deaths since 2001.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/americas/north-america/usa

do you want me to continue playing your silly game of quoting amnesty?
 
The US can't afford to initiate hostilities against Iran, since they are suffering from the dilemma of having pro-Iranian govts in Iraq and Afghanistan and the constant engagement of their army in both the countries, which won't allow them to spare enough troops for another country. Though, they have the capability of air strikes against Iran's weak air defence system, but they will not be able to achieve their aims and objectives.
 
mr.root i read that amnesty thing you quoted....

executing criminals isnt a crime, nor is it something evil......nor is amputating a major thiefs hand etc etc, now maybe YOU and some of your people think it is, but just cause you think these type of things are 'evil' 'backward' or 'barbaric' doesnt actually mean or prove they are......

so plz bring some 'real' issues instead of trying to force your way of morality and what is right and wrong on us.....that would help alot.....

If Iran want's to kill under 18's as a punishment, fine. I really don't care. However, the point I was making is that you said everyone in Iran were free to express thier opinion. Then why did/do you have political prisoners and why is Iran government not democratically elected.

Don't give us bull. If your gonna post, at least be honest with us.
 
If Iran want's to kill under 18's as a punishment, fine. I really don't care. However, the point I was making is that you said everyone in Iran were free to express thier opinion. Then why did/do you have political prisoners and why is Iran government not democratically elected.

Don't give us bull. If your gonna post, at least be honest with us.

i just quoted amnesty showing america is holding many prisoners in afghanistan and iraq without real cause.....and you come preaching freedom to us? HAHAHAHAAH so funny man.......your the one who gives us bull 24-7 not the other way round, would you like me to keep quoting several prisoners held without cause by america????? i could go on forever you know.....
 
If Iran want's to kill under 18's as a punishment, fine. I really don't care. However, the point I was making is that you said everyone in Iran were free to express thier opinion. Then why did/do you have political prisoners and why is Iran government not democratically elected.

Don't give us bull. If your gonna post, at least be honest with us.

Say what? Our elections are more reliable and democratic than the usa's elections.

Maybe you didn't hear that 78% of the people took part in the presidential elections in Iran? What was the percentage in the usa's rigged elections? 20? 30?

78% means people are happy with the government!
 
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