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Democrats wary over Iran claims



In pictures: US Iran evidence
Senior Democrats in the United States have urged the Bush administration to be cautious about accusing Iran of fomenting violence in Iraq.
They were speaking after US officials in Iraq said they had evidence that Iran was providing weapons to Shia militias who attacked the US military.

US claims the bombs were smuggled from Iran cannot be independently verified.

Democratic Senator Chris Dodd said the Bush administration had tried to falsify evidence before.

"I'm looking at this report with a degree of scepticism," he said.

"I don't doubt that Iran has been involved to some degree and clearly that's a problem that needs to be addressed, but I'm getting uneasy that they're trying to create a premise, set a premise, for some future, broader military action in Iran.

We assess that these activities are coming from the senior levels of the Iranian government

US official

"I think that would be a huge mistake at this point," said Mr Dodd.

Another senior Democrat, Senator John Kerry, said that people should "listen to those of us in Congress who have said we've got to engage in the region".

The Bush administration denies it is planning to invade Iran but has indicated it is willing to use military force to deal with any Iranian interference inside Iraq, says the BBC's James Westhead in Washington.

Tehran has denied any involvement.

'Senior levels'

US defence officials told reporters in Baghdad that the bombs were being used to deadly effect, killing more than 170 US troops since June 2004.


The US recently increased troop numbers to counteract the violence

The weapons known as "explosively formed penetrators" (EFPs) are capable of destroying an Abrams tank.

The US officials, speaking off camera on condition of anonymity, said EFPs had also injured more than 620 US personnel since June 2004.

They said US intelligence analysts believed the bombs were manufactured in Iran and secretly sent to Iraqi Shia militants on the orders of senior officials in Tehran.

"We assess that these activities are coming from the senior levels of the Iranian government," one official said.

He pointed the finger at Iran's elite al-Quds brigade, a unit of the Revolutionary Guards, saying that a senior commander from the brigade had been one of five Iranians seized by US forces in a raid in the Iraqi town of Irbil in January.

'Flushing the evidence'

The defence official said that when the men were captured they had been tying to flush documents down a toilet and that one of them had been contaminated with explosives residue.

They had also reportedly shaved their heads to alter their appearance - bags of their hair were found during the raid.

Tehran has denied that the captured Iranians are members of the brigade, which Iran does not officially recognise, but which observers say reports directly to Ayatollah Ali Khamanei.

The US officials also referred to a raid in Iraq in December in which the security forces said they found inventory sheets of weaponry and equipment that had been brought into Iraq.


Police have frequently been the targets of attacks in Iraq

The US officials said that as well as bomb-making technology Iran was supplying Shia groups in Iraq with money and military training.

The BBC's Jane Peel attended the briefing in Baghdad, at which all cameras and recording devices were banned.

Examples of the allegedly smuggled weapons were put on display, including EFPs, mortar shells and rocket propelled grenades which the US claims can be traced to Iran.

"The weapons had characteristics unique to being manufactured in Iran... Iran is the only country in the region that produces these weapons," an official said.


The Propaganda is in full swing.
I am surprised that they did not dig this up sooner.

Funny how they had to wait for

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6352899.stm



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6353735.stm
 
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The Propaganda is in full swing.
I am surprised that they did not dig this up sooner.

Funny how they had to wait for

US Deaths: 3123 US Wounded:23417

Australia 2
Bulgaria 13
Denmark 6
El Salvador 5
Estonia 2
Hungary 1
Italy 33
Kazakhstan 1
Latvia 3
Netherlands 2
Poland 19
Romania 2
Slovakia 4
Spain 11
Thailand 2
Ukraine 18
United Kingdom 132

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6352899.stm



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6353735.stm

Afraid I don't get your point.
 
Afraid I don't get your point.

Well they wait for that many to get killed and find stuff from Iran now?
Why it take so long to find?
 
Well they wait for that many to get killed and find stuff from Iran now?
Why it take so long to find?

Perhaps because the IED devices have been getting increasingly effective, meaning armor piercing munitions, which weren't in Iraq in the first two years.
 
Same old arguments...People criticizing Bush. Bush proposed the war, Senate approved the war. People of US rejoice, but after some American deaths, people are against the war. What did you think was going to happen? We have a chit-chat with the terrorists, sign a truce, and come home? This is war! People are going to die! These are terrorists, not diplomats, and they are mad! Goodness... :rant:
 
Greetings and peace be with you Idris;

They were speaking after US officials in Iraq said they had evidence that Iran was providing weapons to Shia militias who attacked the US military.

America has sold arms to just about every country in the world including Iran and Iraq at some point.

I am sure there must be many countries in the world that are against America because America has sold arms to their enemies.

Why should America act so hurt when Iran does as it has done by selling arms to Iraq? America does not have a just cause to be in Iraq.

In the spirit of praying for peace on Earth

Eric
 
Iran has just as much right to help freedom fighters in Iraq to expel US invaders, as the US had to help Al Qaiea expel Russian invaders from Afghanistan. What did the US have to say about Russian complaints about finding US weapons in Afghanistan? What goes around comes around.
 
Iran has just as much right to help freedom fighters in Iraq to expel US invaders, as the US had to help Al Qaiea expel Russian invaders from Afghanistan. What did the US have to say about Russian complaints about finding US weapons in Afghanistan? What goes around comes around.

The Russians were no doubt angered when US stinger missiles began bringing down Russian jets...the big difference is the Russians couldn't do anything about it because the big US and Russian nuclear arsenals prevented a direct confrontation.

That is not true with Iran (at least not yet ) Iran no doubt hopes for a proxy war because they get their hind quarters kicked when they attack US forces directly. We are not required to accept their plan. Also, you might be a little more circumspect about your cheerleading. If the US leaves, a bloody civil war or a regional war with the regional Arab states vs Iran may follow. Will that make you happy?
 
Arab states? They'll not be concerend once the Iranians are defending themselves. I'm not a muslim, but I'm sure the Ummah will unite, once they see U.S is not a Godly invincible power. - You forget, U.S began this, and they shouldn't have. So stop your support of such invasions.

Why is America focusing on Iran when most of the fighting is being done by the Sunnis? Aren't the Sunnis being sent money and arms by citizens of Saudi Arabia? Officially, the Saudi government isn't sending anything but they seem to turning a 'blind eye' to the whole thing (kinda' like when the American citizens were sending money to the IRA??)

 
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They are involved, why shouldn't they be?


You say that now but you will eat your words when Iran is under attack, that is why they shouldnt be. Then you will say it is an illegal invasion and Iran did nothing wrong

Arab states? They'll not be concerend once the Iranians are defending themselves. I'm not a muslim, but I'm sure the Ummah will unite, once they see U.S is not a Godly invincible power. - You forget, U.S began this, and they shouldn't have. So stop your support of such invasions.

Do you think the US is weak? It would be easier if all of the Arab state declared war on the US, which wouldnt happen, but if they did it would be a much easier fight. Who would we go to war with, Syria? Iran? WOW what a threat, it would take a matter of weeks before their countries were reduced to pebbles. I am not saying this is what I want but I would much rather be fighting them than in Iraq where there is no clear enemy, and a brand it put on the US as the loser of the war. The only loser in that war are the Iraqis.
 
I thought most of the fatalities are caused by Sunni insurgents.... Iran supports the Sunnis too?
there is competition.Sunnis are being backed by the Arabs and the Shiites receive help from next door Iran.so now KSA,and the Arabs are supporting US initiatives to contain Iran's power.
 
You say that now but you will eat your words when Iran is under attack, that is why they shouldnt be. Then you will say it is an illegal invasion and Iran did nothing wrong



Do you think the US is weak? It would be easier if all of the Arab state declared war on the US, which wouldnt happen, but if they did it would be a much easier fight. Who would we go to war with, Syria? Iran? WOW what a threat, it would take a matter of weeks before their countries were reduced to pebbles. I am not saying this is what I want but I would much rather be fighting them than in Iraq where there is no clear enemy, and a brand it put on the US as the loser of the war. The only loser in that war are the Iraqis.

LOL - Spoken (or written in this case) like a true yank. - U.S seem to think they are invincible. They are not! - You continue to live in this fake bubble of invinciblity.
 
LOL - Spoken (or written in this case) like a true yank. - U.S seem to think they are invincible. They are not! - You continue to live in this fake bubble of invinciblity.

LOL ok I sure will, and you do the same! I cant wait to see one of those armies man up actually fight with dignity rather than hiding amongst civilians like cowards, and blaming all of the deaths on the US.

(By the way I dont think the US is invincible, it is just a known fact that our military is far superior to any other in the world)
 
by the way did you know the US has about 1.5 million active troops at any time and 2.5 million all together, whereas Syria and Iran put together only have about 800,000 active and 1 million all together.. I wont bother going into the superior air, water, missle, etc. I think that is pretty much a given. Tell me my friend what do you imagine a war between these countries would be like? or between the US and any country in that region for that matter
 
Greetings and peace be with you MTAFFI;

I cant wait to see one of those armies man up actually fight with dignity rather than hiding amongst civilians like cowards, and blaming all of the deaths on the US.

How can the Iraqi militia fight man to man with the US army, they will get wiped out instantly and you know that. If the US army wanted to fight with dignity it would have to discard all its high tech stuff and so they would be fighting on fair terms.

But fighting bullies is never fair, they always want the edge so they come out on top.

If America was to be truly fair and just it would have to take into account the freedom that less powerful countries need. They did not have a just cause to invade Iraq in the first place.

It is unjust to blame the Iraqi people for entering into a civil war, This is more America's fault, and they should accept more responsibility.

In the spirit of praying for peace on Earth

Eric
 
by the way did you know the US has about 1.5 million active troops at any time and 2.5 million all together, whereas Syria and Iran put together only have about 800,000 active and 1 million all together.. I wont bother going into the superior air, water, missle, etc. I think that is pretty much a given. Tell me my friend what do you imagine a war between these countries would be like? or between the US and any country in that region for that matter

True! - But when a person becomes a suicide bomber, (not that I condone it) but during a war any means necessary are used. - God forbid such a thing should take place, citzens of the U.S will not know if it's their last day or not on this eart. Wehn sucide bombers are deployed left right and centere. waht then? Think IRA in UK - Think Israel. - How would that be combatted?