Did anybody read 'Scientific Miracles in the Quran' by Harun Yahya

[Independent]

If you're going to make such statements then be ready to defend them!

As things stand, it remains correct to say that Yahya has falsified the words of a geologist to make it sound like he supports his views. You have not offered any evidence to the contrary.

It also remains true to say that Yahya's translation postdates recent scientific discoveries - again, you have offered no evidence to the contrary. I was hoping you might have something to say about this based on your Arabic expertise, as opposed to simply handing out abuse.

 

[جوري]

As things stand, it remains correct to say that Yahya has falsified the words of a geologist to make it sound like he supports his views. You have not offered any evidence to the contrary.

I don't have to focus on either Yahya or the geologist when other sources exist!
furthermore, any scientific source is liable to change even if it were contrary to the Quran which in this case it isn't because even a blind man with no ability to reason the geology or the Quran can see that Mountains are indeed driven deep into the earth and not merely standing structures!

It also remains true to say that Yahya's translation postdates recent scientific discoveries - again, you have offered no evidence to the contrary. I was hoping you might have something to say about this based on your Arabic expertise, as opposed to simply handing out abuse.

Crying wolf is the name of your game. If you make a claim such as I have quoted you doing above the onus is on you to prove it not on me.


best,

 

[Independent]

any scientific source is liable to change even if it were contrary to the Quran

It is Yahya who is attempting to tie the Quran to scientific advances, not me.

even a blind man with no ability to reason the geology or the Quran can see that Mountains are indeed driven deep into the earth and not merely standing structures!

At this point I have to conclude that you don't understand even the quotes you've copy and pasted, let alone anything else. Disappointing, I thought this was a subject about which you might have something interesting to say, at least in relation to the changing trends in translation.

I haven't read the book, and neither have you

Actually I have read the relevant portions of the book - I'm amazed you haven't, yet you feel able to argue about them.

 

[جوري]

It is Yahya who is attempting to tie the Quran to scientific advances, not me.

And until you've an understanding of his work, science or the actual Quran you're in no position to comment- ---

At this point I have to conclude that you don't understand even the quotes you've copy and pasted, let alone anything else. Disappointing, I thought this was a subject you might have something interesting to say, at least in relation to the changing trends in translation.

Really in what way oh leader of the pack and carrier of the flame?

also I take it you no longer care to defend the statements you made earlier and looking to diffuse the attention away from you by claiming that I am the one with no understanding? It is true my area of expertise is medicine not geology however what is yours you know outside of cut and paste and plagiarizing?

best,

 

[Muhammad]

Greetings,

Harun Yahya's works have been discussed a number of times before and there is no need to repeat the discussions. If there are problems with his scientific research then there are plenty of other works to consult regarding scientific miracles in the Qur'an.

I agree with Rana Dajani, the Jordanian molecular biologist who states: “The Koran is not a science textbook. It provides people with guidelines as to how they should live their lives.”

It is true that the primary purpose of the revelation is not to teach mankind science, rather it is a guidance for us so we can properly worship our Creator. It is also true that the Qur'an contains scientific facts - facts that a person living in the 6th century would not know. It's important that a proper methodology is followed in extracting examples of such verses.

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In a number of places Yahya makes very considerable leaps in interpretation. On p.21 does “He wraps the night up in the day, and the day up in the night” really ‘hint’ (his word) that the Earth is round? Yahya is stretching interpretation to breaking point.

It's worth pointing out here that we cannot conclude much from a translation of the verse, as the language of the Qur'an is Arabic. It is quite possible that the Arabic words used in this and similar verses indicate the shape of the earth to be round as opposed to flat, even though the English translation may not convey that here. Further research is needed.

In other places he is retranslating the Quran to make it sound vaguely scientific, at the expense of the beauty of its verse. On p.14 he quotes from the Quran thus: ‘And it is We who have constructed the heaven with might, it is We who are steadily expanding it.’ He says this fits with modern cosmological views relating to Big Bang and the continuing expansion of the universe.

HOWEVER this verse was never previously translated with the word ‘expanding’ until the Big Bang theory became popular. The substitution of this new translation is intended to create a superficial match with modern cosmology.

A person would have to do a thorough research of what the scholars of Qur'anic interpretation have commented about on this verse to ascertain if this is true.

There are various threads with detailed discussions on the Qur'an and Science, as well as numerous websites that can be referred to. We do not need another debate on it.

Thread closed.

 

[Muhammad]

Sister WRITER wished to add the following post for clarification:

Although it is true that the Quran is not a science book but still there are statements about nature in the Quran. And since Allah is the Creator of the universe and has full knowledge about it therefore, any information about nature that Allah gave in the Quran is true. When it is shown that when a book revealed 14 centuries ago has information that was only recently discovered by science, then of course that shows that the Book had a divine source and couldn't have been written by man.

To disqualify this fact, people like the various atheists try to prove that the Quran doesn't have such statements. Either by saying that the statement isn't in the Quran or by stating that the original translation wasn't the same as the current translation and some people are changing the translation of the words of the Quran. But this is not true.

The two verses quoted by the atheists mean exactly as are given in Harun Yahya's book (and other translations of the Quran). And if we look at the arabic word, we'll see that they do point to the scientific facts.

The first verse is Verse 39: 6, which states يكور اليل على النهار و يكور النهار على الليل... meaning "...He wraps the night over the day and wraps the day over the night..."

the word for wrap is يكور , the root form of which is كور which means round. تكور means to roll. These are original common translation. A very common word in Arabic from the root word is كرة which means ball. كرة القدم also very commonly used means football. So it's not true that the meaning of the word يكور is being changed by Muslims to fit claims that there are scientifically proven statements in the Quran which were not known to humans of 7th century.

The other verse is verse 51: 47 which states "And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander"
The word in the Arabic text is لموسعون which comes from the word موسع which means to expand. ل that precedes the word (لموسعون ) means 'certainly, definitely, indeed.'

So the atheists claims are absolutely false. The words of the Quran are translated exactly as they always were and the translations is according to Arabic usage of the words. Words are not being mistranslated. There really are scientifically proven statements in the Quran. Truth is that the current translation of the word يكور (wrap) doesn't even give it's complete meaning. When you look at the meanings of the word يكور - كور - تكور you can visualize what the verse is really stating and how it is pointing to the movement of day and night around the earth! Visualize how light and darkness move slowly around the earth, just as the verse is stating.