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Assalaam to all friends here,

Do you know any verse of Quran that tells about the scientific innovations of humanity? Thanks in advance!
 
Assalaam Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh,

Everything is found in Quran, but everyone cannot see this, for all the things it contains are found at different levels. Sometimes the seeds, sometimes the nuclei, sometimes the summaries, sometimes the principles, sometimes the signs, are found either explicitly, or implicitly, or allusively, or vaguely, or as a reminder. One of these is expressed according to need, in a manner suitable to the purposes of the Qur’an and in connection with the requirements of the position. For instance:
Things like the aeroplane, electricity, railways, and the telegraph have come into existence as wonders of science and technology as the result of man’s progress in science and industry. Surely the All-Wise Qur’an, which addresses all mankind, does not neglect these. Indeed, it has not neglected them; it indicates them in two ‘Ways’.
The First: In the form of the miracles of the Prophets...
The Second is this: it indicates them in the form of certain historical events.

The examples can be found at:

http://www.lightofquran.info/20word.htm (second station)
 
Well how the science came in their knowledge ...Quran is the only place where all science and other subjects and their importance is discussed. people will come to know about this after reading it and then they discovered or make new things in these subjects. It a base to all core we see here in this world.
 
It is generally said that scientific truths are contained in the Quran which were discovered by modern science only recently. This is also the reason why Quran is said to be authored by God and not Mohammad. However, the discoveries of modern science were made without any knowledge or reference to the Quran. Yet no scientist claims divine authorship of the theories of modern science. Is there an anomaly here?
 
K.Venugopal said:
Yet no scientist claims divine authorship of the theories of modern science.
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Of course they wouldn't. Why would they claim that a divine being, which they do not believe in, already had prior knowledge to what they found out. :mmokay:
 
Ghazalah said:
Of course they wouldn't. Why would they claim that a divine being, which they do not believe in, already had prior knowledge to what they found out. :mmokay:
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If it is possible for man to make discoveries, then why do Muslims cite the discoveries mentioned in the Quran as proof that the Quran has divine authorship?
 
"Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke: He said to it and to the earth: 'Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly.' They said: 'We do come (together), in willing obedience.' So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge. (The Noble Quran, 41:11-12)"

"And the firmament, We constructed with power and skill and verily We are expanding it. (The Noble Quran, 51:47)"


Yasin/40
It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day, and they all swim in an orbit.

Enbiya/33
It is He Who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon: all (of them) swim in an orbit.
 
K.Venugopal said:
If it is possible for man to make discoveries, then why do Muslims cite the discoveries mentioned in the Quran as proof that the Quran has divine authorship?
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You need to understand Allah is the All-Knower. He knows everything, what you have done what you are doing and what you shall do. However man can think they have made a discovery when in essence its not, as Allah SWT aleady knows everything, after all He created the world, He knows what's in it.

Man can make discoveries, but to them that's all they'll ever be. Allah SWT knows all.
 
Ghazalah said:
You need to understand Allah is the All-Knower. He knows everything, what you have done what you are doing and what you shall do. However man can think they have made a discovery when in essence its not, as Allah SWT aleady knows everything, after all He created the world, He knows what's in it.

Man can make discoveries, but to them that's all they'll ever be. Allah SWT knows all.
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My question is if modern scientists can discover things without any reference to Allah, why should the discoveries mentioned in the Quran be ascribed to Allah? I am not here saying that Allah is not the creator or knower of everything. But just because scientific discoveries are mentioned in the Quran, can we conclude thereby that Allah is the author of the Quran? If so, should we also not say that Allah is the author of modern scientific treatises?
 
K.Venugopal said:
My question is if modern scientists can discover things without any reference to Allah, why should the discoveries mentioned in the Quran be ascribed to Allah? I am not here saying that Allah is not the creator or knower of everything. But just because scientific discoveries are mentioned in the Quran, can we conclude thereby that Allah is the author of the Quran? If so, should we also not say that Allah is the author of modern scientific treatises?
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That would only make sense if men had discovered them and then the Quran was written a thousand years after that. We know that this was not the case.

Boaz said:
But the sun doesn't move at all. It's a star.
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It rotates inside, outside, and around the centre of the galaxy.
 
Dagless said:
That would only make sense if men had discovered them and then the Quran was written a thousand years after that. We know that this was not the case.
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Long before the Quran, men had discovered scientific truths and have continued to do so after the Quran without any reference to the Quran. Therefore just because some scientific truths are mentioned in the Quran is no proof that God has authored the Quran as if mentioning scientific truths are the exclusive preserve of God. I have no problem with Muslims believing that the Quran is authored by God but surely its proof cannot be that it contains facts known only to modern science. Many of the modern scientific discoveries were known to the ancient world also.
 
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Boaz said:
But the sun doesn't move at all. It's a star
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The sun and the stars move, and VERY FAST.
1. They rotate
2. They move around their own orbits
3. They move around the center of the galaxy
4. They move with the galaxy, away from other galaxies.

And in the Qur'an there are verses already that explain that the sun moves around its own orbit, and that they universe is expanding.

You see, even you, an intelligent person who live in the 21st century, did not know that the sun does indeed move, but it has been stated in the Qur'an more than 1,400 years ago.

If an educated person in the 21st century did not know about these facts, how do you suppose a fully illiterate man in the desert of arabia in the 7th century got these facts?
 
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My question is if modern scientists can discover things without any reference to Allah, why should the discoveries mentioned in the Quran be ascribed to Allah?
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i dont think the argument put forth is how you say it (post #6), but rather that the Quran is "authored" by Allah becuase any of these discoveries are based on knowledge of the unseen (olny Allah knows that)...the unseen that scientist needed equipment to discover...equipment that came 1400 years later.
 
K.Venugopal said:
Long before the Quran, men had discovered scientific truths and have continued to do so after the Quran without any reference to the Quran. Therefore just because some scientific truths are mentioned in the Quran is no proof that God has authored the Quran as if mentioning scientific truths are the exclusive preserve of God. I have no problem with Muslims believing that the Quran is authored by God but surely its proof cannot be that it contains facts known only to modern science. Many of the modern scientific discoveries were known to the ancient world also.
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Were those scientific discoveries written in a book that is unmatched in its beauty, with inimitable syntax and language, neither prose nor poetry, the linguistic beauty and miracles have been acknowledged by everyone who study the book, a book primarily as guidance for all mankind, as criterion to differentiate truths from falsehoods, a book that contain numerical miracles that is impossible to be written even with the help of the most modern supercomputers, a book that is completely unchanged for more than 1,400 centuries and fully memorised down to the dots by millions of people, a book that is recited by hundreds of millions people every second of the day, and the last but not least, is that book conveyed by a completely illiterate man?

Please enlighten us with such scientific discoveries books from thousands of years ago.
 
naidamar said:


You see, even you, an intelligent person who live in the 21st century, did not know that the sun does indeed move, but it has been stated in the Qur'an more than 1,400 years ago.

If an educated person in the 21st century did not know about these facts, how do you suppose a fully illiterate man in the desert of arabia in the 7th century got these facts?
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An illiterate man in the desert of Arabia in the 7th century would observe the sun apparently moving across the sky during the course of the day. Rather than see this as being explained by the Earth's rotation, he would likely imagine that the Earth was fixed and motionless while the sun (and everything else in the sky) moved in orbit around it.

I would be more impressed by a Quranic statement that the Earth orbited the sun (contrary to common belief in the 7th century).
 
I don't know if this verse qualifies....

Sura 21 verse 33

It is we who created the night and day, the sun and the moon: All (the celestial bodies) swim along, each in its rounded course.

All knowledge comes from God. The difference between scientific knowledge and "revelatory knowledge" is the process of communication. Scienctific knowledge is dicovered by human effort---but with God's will----revelatory knowledge occurs without human effort but with God's will. Scientific knowledge shows us the beauty, complexity, and harmony of (God's) laws, ---and the Quran makes that connection between the laws and God.
 
K.Venugopal said:
Long before the Quran, men had discovered scientific truths and have continued to do so after the Quran without any reference to the Quran. Therefore just because some scientific truths are mentioned in the Quran is no proof that God has authored the Quran as if mentioning scientific truths are the exclusive preserve of God. I have no problem with Muslims believing that the Quran is authored by God but surely its proof cannot be that it contains facts known only to modern science. Many of the modern scientific discoveries were known to the ancient world also.
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There are 2 problems with this:

1) Modern discoveries were not known to the ancients as you suggest. I cannot think of even one instance where an unknown civilization were over 1000 years ahead of their time (I'm not talking about random instances of ideas, I'm saying a civilization which believed and documented something with 100% certainty which could not have been proven any less than 1000 years in advance). 10 years maybe, a few instances of 100 years, 500 years possibly if you overlook a few things, but a 1400 years? No.
2) Scientific facts are only ONE of the aspects which show divinity, not the ONLY aspect.


Hiroshi said:
An illiterate man in the desert of Arabia in the 7th century would observe the sun apparently moving across the sky during the course of the day. Rather than see this as being explained by the Earth's rotation, he would likely imagine that the Earth was fixed and motionless while the sun (and everything else in the sky) moved in orbit around it.
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Exactly! A 7th century man would have written the sun and moon orbited the earth without question. However, this is not what's in the Quran. A 7th century man would also not have known the sun and moon rotate (since he would think everything orbited the earth how could he possibly know the earth rotated and so apply that logic to other bodies?).