does Islam gurantee freedom of religion?

[Nerd]

was wondering if Islam guarantees freedom of religion?

 

[- Qatada -]

:salamext:

Qur'an:

2:256 There is no compulsion in religion.

10:99 So would you (O Muhammad) then compel people to become believers?​

Freedom of Choice of Religion

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/374/

 

[snakelegs]

i think islam allows freedom of religion for non-muslims. for muslims, it is a different story.
i often see prospective reverts told to hurry and take the shahadah because death could be imanent and that it is such a simple thing to become a muslim,
but i wonder how many prospective reverts know the following (bolded below)

By making apostasy punishable with death two types of converts are deterred : those who accept Islam out of hypocrisy and those who do so for some material benefit. People may not accept Islam before they give their decision due reflection, and with their eyes wide open. This religion entails various heavy responsibilities and demanding rituals which a hypocrite or an insincere convert is unable to observe.

http://www.load-islam.com/artical_det.php?artical_id=816&section=wel_islam&subsection=Misconceptions

 

[InToTheRain]

To a believer the rewards outweigh the demands by mibizillions!:

"Allah's Messenger (pbuh) stated that Allah said, "O Son of Adam, as long as you supplicate to Me and have hope in me I will pardon you in spite of what you have done, and I do not care. O Son of Adam, if your sins were so numerous as to reach the lofty regions of the sky, then you asked My forgiveness, I would forgive you, and I do not care. O Son of Adam, if you were to meet Me with enough sins to fill the earth, then met Me, not associating anything with Me (in worship), I shall greet you with its equivalent in forgiveness.'" Narrated by Al-Tirmidhi. And Ahmad and Al-Darimi transmitted it from AbuTharr.

 

[syilla]

well...i guess it depends on how you think.

If you think people can smoke in public without concerning about other peoples health and there is no need for rules or regulations to ban them from smoking in public... then of course you will say there is no freedom in the religion.

 

[snakelegs]

yes, it does depend on how you think.
to an outsider, the punishment for apostasy means that islam does not guarantee freedom of religion for muslims.

 

[Nerd]

Does it mean that the death penalty to apostates was a thing in the past?

 

[snakelegs]

haven't read the book that you gave a link for, but no, it is not a thing of the past. :unhappy:

 

[snakelegs]

Why death is the punishment for Apostasy

Question:
Alslamualik

This question has bees asked several time from non-Muslims and I want to find an answer: Why When the Muslim convert to another religion(Murtad) he/she should be killed?


Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

Your question may be answered by the following points:

(1) This is the ruling of Allaah and His Messenger, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whoever changes his religion, kill him." (reported by al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, no. 3017).

(2) The one who has known the religion which Allaah revealed, entered it and practised it, then rejected it, despised it and left it, is a person who does not deserve to live on the earth of Allaah and eat from the provision of Allaah.

(3) By leaving Islaam, the apostate opens the way for everyone who wants to leave the faith, thus spreading apostasy and encouraging it.

(4) The apostate is not to be killed without warning. Even though his crime is so great, he is given a last chance, a respite of three days in which to repent. If he repents, he will be left alone; if he does not repent, then he will be killed.

(5) If the punishment for murder and espionage (also known as high treason) is death, then what should be the punishment for the one who disbelieves in the Lord of mankind and despises and rejects His religion? Is espionage or shedding blood worse than leaving the religion of the Lord of mankind and rejecting it?

(6) None of those who bleat about personal freedom and freedom of belief would put up with a neighbour’s child hitting their child or justify this as "personal freedom," so how can they justify leaving the true religion and rejecting the sharee’ah which Allaah revealed to teach mankind about His unity and bring justice and fairness to all?

We ask Allaah for safety and health. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad .

http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=811&ln=eng&txt=apostasy

see also:
http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=696&ln=eng&txt=apostasy

 

[Mikayeel]

Why death is the punishment for Apostasy

Question:
Alslamualik

This question has bees asked several time from non-Muslims and I want to find an answer: Why When the Muslim convert to another religion(Murtad) he/she should be killed?


Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

Your question may be answered by the following points:

(1) This is the ruling of Allaah and His Messenger, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whoever changes his religion, kill him." (reported by al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, no. 3017).

(2) The one who has known the religion which Allaah revealed, entered it and practised it, then rejected it, despised it and left it, is a person who does not deserve to live on the earth of Allaah and eat from the provision of Allaah.

(3) By leaving Islaam, the apostate opens the way for everyone who wants to leave the faith, thus spreading apostasy and encouraging it.

(4) The apostate is not to be killed without warning. Even though his crime is so great, he is given a last chance, a respite of three days in which to repent. If he repents, he will be left alone; if he does not repent, then he will be killed.

(5) If the punishment for murder and espionage (also known as high treason) is death, then what should be the punishment for the one who disbelieves in the Lord of mankind and despises and rejects His religion? Is espionage or shedding blood worse than leaving the religion of the Lord of mankind and rejecting it?

(6) None of those who bleat about personal freedom and freedom of belief would put up with a neighbour’s child hitting their child or justify this as "personal freedom," so how can they justify leaving the true religion and rejecting the sharee’ah which Allaah revealed to teach mankind about His unity and bring justice and fairness to all?

We ask Allaah for safety and health. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad .

http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=811&ln=eng&txt=apostasy

see also:
http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=696&ln=eng&txt=apostasy

Snakelegs, what your are saying is very nice, but has nothing to do with none muslims!, we cant force none muslim converting we can show them the truth and then up to them to accept it..(its our duty to show the truth) To fully understand the stuff you have said, you have to be a muslim! and then you will understand that you wouldnt even consider thinking bout leaving the state of peace that you are in...
It is like going into a very dark smelly room... after being in a light sweet scented room!!

 

[snakelegs]

Snakelegs, what your are saying is very nice, but has nothing to do with none muslims!, we cant force none muslim converting we can show them the truth and then up to them to accept it..(its our duty to show the truth) To fully understand the stuff you have said, you have to be a muslim! and then you will understand that you wouldnt even consider thinking bout leaving the state of peace that you are in...
It is like going into a very dark smelly room... after being in a light sweet scented room!!

no, i know it has nothing to do with non-muslims.
my contention is that islam does not guarantee freedom of religion to muslims.
the poster had asked about apostasy.
see my post #3

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace

....the punishment for apostasy means that islam does not guarantee freedom of religion for muslims.

to my knowledge , if ex-Muslims do not hurt Muslims , don't do anything harmful for Islam , s/he is free to live as non-Muslim .

After the Meraj ( night journey of Prophet Muhammed -pbuh) , some new Muslims did not believe in that & left Islam. They were not killed.


verses we need for hereafter



O mankind!


What is it that lures you away from your bountiful Sustainer, who has created you, and formed you in accordance with what you art meant to be and shaped your nature in just proportions, having put you together in whatever form He willed?

-Quran (82:6-8)

 

[Mikayeel]

no, i know it has nothing to do with non-muslims.
my contention is that islam does not guarantee freedom of religion to muslims.
the poster had asked about apostasy.
see my post #3

Thanks for your concern but we muslims manage fine with this so called ''no freedom'' which you are stating.

 

[Amadeus85]

In my opinion muslims should and can do what they want in islamic countries but I dont agree that those who leave islam in West might be hurt or punished.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;

In my opinion muslims should and can do what they want in islamic countries but I dont agree that those who leave islam in West might be hurt or punished.

I really don't understand why so many people misunderstand & always media criticise about apostasy in Islam . They never discusee what other religions say about the same matter ?

ummm....is there any verse in Bible that says anything to punish those who left religion ?

 

[wilberhum]

Salaam/peace;




I really don't understand why so many people misunderstand & always media criticise about apostasy in Islam . They never discusee what other religions say about the same matter ?

ummm....is there any verse in Bible that says anything to punish those who left religion ?

Generally, "Other Religions" say that they will go to hell.

I have only heard of one religion that says the believers have the right to send the apostate on the road there.

 

[*Hana*]

Salaam/peace;




I really don't understand why so many people misunderstand & always media criticise about apostasy in Islam . They never discusee what other religions say about the same matter ?

ummm....is there any verse in Bible that says anything to punish those who left religion ?

Yes, the Bible is clear in Deuteronomy 13:6-18:

6 “If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly entices you, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers, 7 of the gods of the people which are all around you, near to you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth, 8 you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him; 9 but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. 10 And you shall stone him with stones until he dies, because he sought to entice you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 11 So all Israel shall hear and fear, and not again do such wickedness as this among you.
12 “If you hear someone in one of your cities, which the LORD your God gives you to dwell in, saying, 13 ‘Corrupt men have gone out from among you and enticed the inhabitants of their city, saying, “Let us go and serve other gods”’—which you have not known— 14 then you shall inquire, search out, and ask diligently. And if it is indeed true and certain that such an abomination was committed among you, 15 you shall surely strike the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, utterly destroying it, all that is in it and its livestock—with the edge of the sword. 16 And you shall gather all its plunder into the middle of the street, and completely burn with fire the city and all its plunder, for the LORD your God. It shall be a heap forever; it shall not be built again. 17 So none of the accursed things shall remain in your hand, that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of His anger and show you mercy, have compassion on you and multiply you, just as He swore to your fathers, 18 because you have listened to the voice of the LORD your God, to keep all His commandments which I command you today, to do what is right in the eyes of the LORD your God.

 

[snakelegs]

salaam/peace;

here is a related link .


Is Apostasy a Capital Crime in Islam?

By Dr. Jamal A. Badawi**



Behold, as for those who come to believe, and then deny the truth, and again come to believe, and again deny the truth, and thereafter grow stubborn in their denial of truth —

God will not forgive them, nor will guide them in any way. (An-Nisaa' 4:137)

It is important to note in the above verse that if the Qur'an prescribes capital punishment for apostasy, then the apostate should be killed after the first instance of apostasy.


As such there would be no opportunity to "again come to believe and again deny the truth, and thereafter grow stubborn in their denial of truth".

In spite of these acts of repeated apostasy, no capital punishment is prescribed for them



http://www.islamonline.net/English/contemporary/2006/04/article02.shtml


anyway even if there is death penalty for them , we must feel sorry for them to think about their fate in hereafter ....not what punishment they are getting here ....it's nothing if u compare it with eternal punishment.:uuh:

this is the whole thing. in the qur'an it is completely clear that it is God who will punish the apostate in the hereafter.
problem is along come a handful of hadiths that have the prophet saying stuff like "he who leaves his religion - kill him".
not all schlars agree with the death penalty for apostasy, but apparently a majority do.
and yes, you are right - it is from the bible.

 

[snakelegs]

Thanks for your concern but we muslims manage fine with this so called ''no freedom'' which you are stating.

yes, i know you do. but the statement "islam guarantees freedom of religion" cannot be true unless it also covers those who want to leave the religion.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;

Generally, "Other Religions" say that they will go to hell.

I have only heard of one religion that says the believers have the right to send the apostate on the road there.

surely u heard from media that it's Islam --- when Bible clearly states to destroy a whole city totally for idol worshipping ...not only that kattles must also be killed .

I can understand the logic behing punishing the sinners but kill all the kattles ???.....Have not heard any criticism so far in media against this verse.where are the animal lovers ???


Verses we need for hereafter

And they say: God has taken to himself a son. Glory be to Him; rather, whatever is in the heavens and the earth is His; all are obedient to Him.


[2.116]