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Amor101 said:
:waoes secular education coincide with Islam?
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Firstly.
If Secular means that everybody will have
1)-Freedom of religion.
2)-Freedom of speech.
3)-People from different faiths can live together,
Then it is allowed In Islam.
A common perception is that Islam disallows freedom of speech.
What Islam disallows is only the Abuse of The Islamic prophets by tongue and actions and of Islam.
That is all.
Secondly.
Islam is not a liberal religion.
Meaning Homosexuality is not allowed.
And yes Sharia will be implemented.
For example,
You cannot allow fornication to be done in Public can you?
It will corrupt the society.
That is why there are Four witnesses for the punishment of Fornication and Adultery as this condition of 4 witnesses is practically impossible.
But we need to be more specefic.
What is Secularism?
 
In terms of education,
We cannot feed our children lies can we?
Lies like the Evolution.
Which is a proven lie.
 
MuhammadHamza1 said:
It is done in West.
I would not be surprised if some liberals supported it.
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Not logical for me. I never saw anyone do it publicly.

What I mean by secular education is Psychology, Math, American government, Human Anatomy and Physiology....
 
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what are yall talking about here.

im taking this seriously cuz im teacher trainee. first off, i think you need to read about islamization of knowledge. google works by fazlur-rahman, pickthall etc. there are many more scholars who contributed. islam is about truth. knowledge, in its purest form is islamic. knowledge about photography is islamic, knowledge about the gravity is islamic, knowledge about explosion is islamic, knowledge about sex is islamic, knowledge about suicide is islamic. but what isnt islamic is the outcome you choose to make with the knowledge.

why choose to make bombs to kill people with knowledge of explosion when you can apply the same knowledge to create beautiful fireworks for entertainment. why apply the knowledge of sex to create porno when you can apply the same knowledge to help married couples to...idk try to conceive babies? (these are my own examples im sorry if they're bad)

but what im trying to say is, what secular education has to offer is not against the shariah just because its not in the quran or hadith. take it with a grain of salt. in their purest form, mathematics is islamic, biology is islamic, literature is islamic, psychology is islamic. sex education is islamic. and islamic education can also produce haram knowledge. isis propagate their ideology based on quran, but is it halal? is it islamic?

okay lets go a little more specific, lets talk about sports. aikido. or taekwando. martials arts from japan & korea respectively. they were both founded a few hundred years ago. nothing to do with muslims (or arabs for that matter). but these forms of martials arts have islamic elements in them. aikido for example teaches about harmony. protecting oneself from harms, without causing harm. it is about self control and collective gain, not individual gain. fighting against hardness with softness. now isnt that islamic?

so to answer, yes, secular education does coincide with islam.
 
Zafran said:
No it isnt. Liberals are not the only ones who live in the west. Where are you from?
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Actually I live in the west and there's something called the alt right. They hate us though and so we Muslims are actually pushed into the acceptance of the liberals but they spread immorality and homosexuality also , plus they don't exactly thing we Muslim women have "rights" and that Islam is oppressive so we're caught in the crossfire [emoji53]
 
happymuslim said:
Actually I live in the west and there's something called the alt right. They hate us though and so we Muslims are actually pushed into the acceptance of the liberals but they spread immorality and homosexuality also , plus they don't exactly thing we Muslim women have "rights" and that Islam is oppressive so we're caught in the crossfire [emoji53]
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Salaam

I was born in the west. The alt right are not a major threat here in the UK. Its more of a social media/US thing. In the UK we have all sorts of people - we have conservative, left winger progressives, Christians, Muslims, atheist, liberals etc etc. Muslim women and rights is complex issue and has been exploited by many who frankly dont care about women rights - the media loves controversy so adds fuel to the fire.
 
Amor101 said:
:waoes secular education coincide with Islam?
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It is permissible (mubah) to acquire secular education. The general principle of a permissible action is that it should not be contaminated with the violations of Shari’ah.
If a permissible action is contaminated with violations of Shari’ah, it will be considered impermissible.
If a female acquires secular education in an environment where there is no intermingling with males and no other violations of Shari’ah, only then will it be permissible.
If there are violations of Shari’ah – which is generally the case in schools, colleges, and universities – it will not be permissible.
In such an instance, while there is a need for secular education, the need to preserve one’s Islamic values, principles, and practices is more important.
And Allah Ta’āla Knows Best

Source: http://www.askimam.org/public/question_detail/37588
 
Are there any exceptions built in for the children of disadvantaged persons?

In the US, private school is very expensive. Public schools are free, but they always mix the sexes, and there are strict laws against any form of discrimination (eg., against gays, transgenders) for schools that accept public money. If Muslim parents living in the US cannot afford to send their kids to private school, what recourse do they have to remain ethical in the eyes of Islam? How does one weigh the value of education vs. religious laws?

Thanks,

--Dan Edge
 
DanEdge said:
Are there any exceptions built in for the children of disadvantaged persons?

In the US, private school is very expensive. Public schools are free, but they always mix the sexes, and there are strict laws against any form of discrimination (eg., against gays, transgenders) for schools that accept public money. If Muslim parents living in the US cannot afford to send their kids to private school, what recourse do they have to remain ethical in the eyes of Islam? How does one weigh the value of education vs. religious laws?

Thanks,

--Dan Edge
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Parents are to first try to admit their Children in such private schools which do not mix gender.
But Islam,unlike other religions,is flexible.
There is a rule in Islam.That under specefic and necessary conditions,impermissible becomes permissible.
So If Parents cannot afford those private schools,
There is no sin on them if they admit their child in a Public School.
 
Psychology, Math, American government, Human Anatomy and Physiology are nothing against Islam, instead they make understanding of the creations of Allah easier and we find proof of Allah in them.

My deep knowledge in science has helped my belief and Imaan in Allah stronger and removed any doubts about the Holy Quran. As you progress and reach the end of what the science has to offer, you reach the conclusion without a doubt that Allah is the creator and in power of every being in the universe. I am a microbiologist and these tiny bacteria and viruses have such sophisticated systems which scream the existence of Allah because such sophistication in such a tiny organism is not possible on its own so Almighty Allah made them. Whether you go at microscopic level to atoms and quarks or macroscopic level to stars and galaxies, you will find proof of Allah and how Almighty and Great He is!

Evolution is just a concept, some of it holds true like atrophy of muscles and bones when not used and at microscopic level, you can see bacteria evolve resistance to nature harsh conditions but the concept of a monkey evolving to human is -------s and any thinking human can understand that. If you don't have a good knowledge of science and human body and the world, you can not understand how evolution might be correct somewhat but total bullshit overall.

I think teaching Islam next to the knowledge of world is important. For dawa'h to preach the message of Islam to others, after all it is our mission to spread Islam and we can't do that effectively if we don't know much about the world and can't counter Kufar's arguments. Guidance is from Allah so our best efforts can be useless but we should still try to improve ourselves so we can use the best words and be convincing.
 
MuhammadHamza1 said:
Parents are to first try to admit their Children in such private schools which do not mix gender.
But Islam,unlike other religions,is flexible.
There is a rule in Islam.That under specefic and necessary conditions,impermissible becomes permissible.
So If Parents cannot afford those private schools,
There is no sin on them if they admit their child in a Public School.
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Thanks for the reply.

I thought that this exception only applied to dietary restrictions. But looking online, I see that it is applied to many other areas.

--Dan Edge

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In researching the topic of necessity/permissiveness, I found this interesting list of rules:

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  1. The necessity should be present and unexpected. [...]
  2. The necessity should be real and not imagined. [...]
  3. This rule is to be resorted to when there is no way of removing necessity other than by engaging in a haram act or thing. [...]
  4. The quantity permitted is determined by the magnitude of the necessity. [...]
  5. A solution for a problem should not lead to a more harmful result. [...]
"
http://sunnahonline.com/library/fiqh-and-sunnah/105-necessity-removes-restriction

Looks fair to me.

--Dan Edge
 
it depends what the secular education teaches, e.g. to learn how to build a bridge is not against Islam but to learn how to make usurious money is
 
DanEdge said:
Thanks for the reply.

I thought that this exception only applied to dietary restrictions. But looking online, I see that it is applied to many other areas.

--Dan Edge

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In researching the topic of necessity/permissiveness, I found this interesting list of rules:

"

  1. The necessity should be present and unexpected. [...]
  2. The necessity should be real and not imagined. [...]
  3. This rule is to be resorted to when there is no way of removing necessity other than by engaging in a haram act or thing. [...]
  4. The quantity permitted is determined by the magnitude of the necessity. [...]
  5. A solution for a problem should not lead to a more harmful result. [...]
"
http://sunnahonline.com/library/fiqh-and-sunnah/105-necessity-removes-restriction

Looks fair to me.

--Dan Edge
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How about if your forced to go to school by the system?
 
Secular means Godless, and education should be truthful, in Islam all halal education is Islamic and thus it is necessary to have only Islamic education.

No point using confusing labels such as secularism and then shnidily adding to and removing from the package - that's trolling and it's despicable. We already know how the "secularists" of a certain country switched to Godless, lewd, and devoid of truth and justice - even though the average joe at the time was made to believe that it meant "fair and just".
 
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