*Embryonic Stem-Cell Research* Halal or Haram!?

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Assalamu alaikum

Woodrow said:
That does appear to be a valid purpose. However, keep in mind other lines of research could be directed more in terms of military usage. Such as how to develope the ultimate soldier, how to geneticaly alter humans before birth for excellence in specific roles. How, to develope weapons that damage specific reagons of the body. ETC.

If a wrong reason can be found, us humans will find it and find support of it. This is why I state that the purpose is important.
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That is an arguement which always crops up in the Great Genetics Debate, citing that it is too risky to progress too far down the road of genetics. ESCR would undoubtably help scientists understand and help combat many diseases, but there is always a chance that somebody somewhere might exploit the scheme and use it for their own not so good purposes. But i'm sure ESCR shall be strictly and closely regulated.

Although stem cells can be retrieved from elsewhere such as the placenta and umbilical cord, scientists argue that they shall not be as effective as those from an embryo.

As scientists have proposed using unwanted embryo's which shall otherwise be thrown away, maybe it would be plausible to reconsider the whole issue. Such a situation can be comparable to a person who has been involved in a serious accident and shall die very soon BUT has a beating heart. That heart could die with the person and no use shall come of it but it could also save the life of somebody else who needed a heart transplant. Either way, the person who had the serious accident would die but if another life could be saved/benefitted isn't that a worthy cause?

Ma'assalama
 
strider said:
Assalamu alaikum


That is an arguement which always crops up in the Great Genetics Debate, citing that it is too risky to progress too far down the road of genetics. ESCR would undoubtably help scientists understand and help combat many diseases, but there is always a chance that somebody somewhere might exploit the scheme and use it for their own not so good purposes. But i'm sure ESCR shall be strictly and closely regulated.

Although stem cells can be retrieved from elsewhere such as the placenta and umbilical cord, scientists argue that they shall not be as effective as those from an embryo.

As scientists have proposed using unwanted embryo's which shall otherwise be thrown away, maybe it would be plausible to reconsider the whole issue. Such a situation can be comparable to a person who has been involved in a serious accident and shall die very soon BUT has a beating heart. That heart could die with the person and no use shall come of it but it could also save the life of somebody else who needed a heart transplant. Either way, the person who had the serious accident would die but if another life could be saved/benefitted isn't that a worthy cause?

Ma'assalama
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One big difference the person in the accident was not preplanned. The use of embryo's necessitates the use of lives that are deliberatly terminated. Yes, they are going to die anyway. But, this gives further justification for the life terminations. Caring that to extreme it is tantamount to saying "Young lady, go out get pregnant have an abortion and you will be contributing to the welfare of mankind by providing raw material for embryonic cell-stem research. Young ladies that get pregnant often and have many abortions are doing good for humanity."
 
Woodrow said:
One big difference the person in the accident was not preplanned. The use of embryo's necessitates the use of lives that are deliberatly terminated. Yes, they are going to die anyway. But, this gives further justification for the life terminations.
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Exactly:sister: I totally agree with u.
 
strider said:
Assalamu alaikum
Although stem cells can be retrieved from elsewhere such as the placenta and umbilical cord, scientists argue that they shall not be as effective as those from an embryo.
Ma'assalama
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Should we use embryonic stem cells or adult stem cells for future medical therapies? Embryonic stem cells are taken from a developing embryo at the blastocyst stage, destroying the embryo, a developing human life. Adult stem cells, on the other hand, are found in all tissues of the growing human being and, according to latest reports, also have the potential to transform themselves into practically all other cell types, or revert to being stem cells with greater reproductive capacity. Embryonic stem cells have not yet been used for even one therapy, while adult stem cells have already been successfully used in numerous patients, including for cardiac infarction (death of some of the heart tissue).
This shows that in tissues of the body, adult stem cells possess a much greater potential for differentiation than previously assumed. This knowledge must be brought into the public consciousness with all possible emphasis. If stem cell research were really only meant for therapeutic uses, which it most obviously should be, adult stem cells would promise a very productive research field–and beyond that, a possibility, without moral objection, to discover fundamentals of the dynamics of tissue differentiation.
 
MUNIRAH said:
Should we use embryonic stem cells or adult stem cells for future medical therapies? Embryonic stem cells are taken from a developing embryo at the blastocyst stage, destroying the embryo, a developing human life. Adult stem cells, on the other hand, are found in all tissues of the growing human being and, according to latest reports, also have the potential to transform themselves into practically all other cell types, or revert to being stem cells with greater reproductive capacity. Embryonic stem cells have not yet been used for even one therapy, while adult stem cells have already been successfully used in numerous patients, including for cardiac infarction (death of some of the heart tissue).
This shows that in tissues of the body, adult stem cells possess a much greater potential for differentiation than previously assumed. This knowledge must be brought into the public consciousness with all possible emphasis. If stem cell research were really only meant for therapeutic uses, which it most obviously should be, adult stem cells would promise a very productive research field–and beyond that, a possibility, without moral objection, to discover fundamentals of the dynamics of tissue differentiation.
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That would also allow for the donor to make the decision with informed consent and have a voice as to how it would be used.
 
MUNIRAH said:
Should we use embryonic stem cells or adult stem cells for future medical therapies? Embryonic stem cells are taken from a developing embryo at the blastocyst stage, destroying the embryo, a developing human life. Adult stem cells, on the other hand, are found in all tissues of the growing human being and, according to latest reports, also have the potential to transform themselves into practically all other cell types, or revert to being stem cells with greater reproductive capacity. Embryonic stem cells have not yet been used for even one therapy, while adult stem cells have already been successfully used in numerous patients, including for cardiac infarction (death of some of the heart tissue).
This shows that in tissues of the body, adult stem cells possess a much greater potential for differentiation than previously assumed. This knowledge must be brought into the public consciousness with all possible emphasis. If stem cell research were really only meant for therapeutic uses, which it most obviously should be, adult stem cells would promise a very productive research field–and beyond that, a possibility, without moral objection, to discover fundamentals of the dynamics of tissue differentiation.
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Asalama Alaykum.

*Agreed* :D
So y r they desperete to take human life when they already have a better alternative...a way out of this!:grumbling
 
I disagree with stem cell research, I think it is a sick underminded process, that may, and can, lead to research, that is distructive to human life. If there werent' so many chemicals being used in our food, and water, and of course the air we breath, there wouldn't be sickness. It is the cause of illness, that one should look for, and the cure, not kill unborn cells. I think it is sick/
 
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has anyone considered at all that the soul isnt breathed in to the fetus as soon as the egg is fertalised?

there is a difference in opinion of the scholars, but the soul is not breathed in before the 40th day, thats something there is no doubt about.


On the authority of Abdullah bin Masud, who said : the messenger of Allah, and he is the truthful, the believed narrated to us :

"Verily the creation of each one of you is brought together in his mother's belly for forty days in the form of seed, then he is a clot of blood for a like period, then a morsel of flesh for a like period, then there is sent to him the angel who blows the breath of life into him and who is commanded about four matters: to write down his means of livelihood, his life span, his actions, and whether happy or unhappy. By Allah, other than Whom there is no god, verily one of you behaves like the people of Paradise until there is but an arm's length between him and it, and that which has been written over takes him and so he behaves like the people of Hell-fire and thus he enters it; and one of you behaves like the people of Hell-fire until there is but an arm's length between him and it, and that which has been written over takes him and so he behaves like the people of Paradise and thus he enters it."

related by Bukhari and Muslim
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becuase of this i personally dont have an issue with embryonic stem cell research as long as the embyro is destroyed before the soul is breathed in, however what does worry me is the other ethical implcations such to what use the finding will be put, i personally would hate to see it being used for anything other than curing people of illnesses.

cleo said:
If there werent' so many chemicals being used in our food, and water, and of course the air we breath, there wouldn't be sickness.
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thats not quite true... illnesses have been around for much longer than this age of development. many illness have little to do with what we eat.
 
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cheese said:
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has anyone considered at all that the soul isnt breathed in to the fetus as soon as the egg is fertalised?

there is a difference in opinion of the scholars, but the soul is not breathed in before the 40th day, thats something there is no doubt about. .
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salaamz.

I don's see y that matters at all....
in both cases they r either killing a human life...or what would be a human life:uhwhat

seriously I don't know y that matters at all.^o)
 
^IMO it matters becuase you cant kill something that is not alive. Its just a bunch of cells with out a soul. Its not a human yet. It hasnt had its fate written for it yet in the womb. Therefore it wont be resurrected as a human on the Day of Judgement. (i think? :?)
 
cheese said:
^IMO it matters becuase you cant kill something that is not alive. Its just a bunch of cells with out a soul. Its not a human yet. It hasnt had its fate written for it yet in the womb. Therefore it wont be resurrected as a human on the Day of Judgement. (i think? :?)
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salaamz..

well "the bunch of cells" would have become alive if it weren't 4 those ruthless scientists. right?????:?
 

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