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A 75 year old elderly Muslim Man was taking his usual route home after praying at his local Mosque with the aid of his walking stick. It was just a few yards away from his home when cowardly terrorists struck in cold blood from behind.

The attack on this dear old man, was so sick, vicious and barbaric, that the victim didn't even have a chance to defend himself (no defensive wounds were found). The blows were struck with such violence they penetrated to the front of his body.

Why was this not covered by media as extensively as the British soldier? Why wasn't this seen as a terrorist attack?


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...mosque.html?fb


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/ma...tivated-police




 
It's a disgusting crime, but I'm not sure why you say it should be called terrorism rather than murder? As for media coverage, unfortunately knife murders are pretty common in the UK - here are some horrible statistics (just for teens in London) http://www.citizensreportuk.org/reports/teenage-murder-london.html
They don't all even make the news unless there's something different about them.

The soldier being killed was something that the UK has never seen before hence the extensive coverage.
 
Posted this a couple of days ago in another thread and will post it again here.

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We communally prayed for BOTH people and BOTH situations in church today.

May peace prevail in our communities and the perpetrators be brought to justice.
 
It's a disgusting crime, but I'm not sure why you say it should be called terrorism rather than murder?
Hi observer

We've had extensive discussions on the definition of terrorism in this thread. Perhaps best take it there. :)
 

Anti-Muslim Riots - Two extremists arrested after mosque attacks



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English Defence League leader Tommy Robinson, left, with EDL supporters outside The Queens Arms pub in Woolwich

22 May 2013

Two men have been arrested after separate attacks on mosques following the solider incident in Woolwich.

A 43-year-old man is in custody on suspicion of attempted arson after reportedly walking into a mosque with a knife in Braintree, Essex.

Local MP Brooks Newmark tweeted: "Local mosque in Braintree attacked by man with knives and incendiary device. Man arrested. No one injured."

Essex Police confirmed a 43-year-old from Braintree had been arrested on suspicion of possession of an offensive weapon and attempted arson after the incident in Silks Way at 7.15pm. The spokesman added that police were investigating the "full circumstances" and said "it would not be appropriate to speculate at this time".

Meanwhile, police in Kent were called to reports of criminal damage at a mosque in Canterbury Street, Gillingham, at 8.40pm. A spokesman said a man is in custody on suspicion of racially-aggravated criminal damage. The force has stepped up the police presence after a man was butchered in broad daylight on the streets of London.

Supporters of the English Defence League (EDL) gathered at Woolwich Arsenal train station near the scene and threw bottles at police.

EDL leader Tommy Robinson, who was among a group of around 250 men, said: "They're chopping our soldiers' heads off. This is Islam. That's what we've seen today."

He added: "They've cut off one of our Army's heads off on the streets of London. Our next generation are being taught through schools that Islam is a religion of peace. It's not. It never has been. What you saw today is Islam. Everyone's had enough. There has to be a reaction, for the Government to listen, for the police to listen, to understand how angry this British public are."

The secretary of the mosque in Braintree, Sikander Saleemy, reportedly told Channel 4 News that he felt like it was a "revenge attack". Mr Saleemy said: "The police said it's too early to try and link it to what happened in Woolwich, but those of us who were here feel that it was some sort of revenge attack. It was clear from the man's behaviour.

"We absolutely condemn what happened in Woolwich, but it had nothing to do with us. It was an appalling act of terror - but it wasn't "Islamic" in any way. I wish it wasn't described like that, because sadly people will now start to blame Muslims."


http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...-29289348.html


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These back-lashes are what makes the whole situation all the more tragic!

A mosque in my home town suffered an arson attack following the Woolwich attack. Luckily not much damage was done, but it causes many problems - peaceful communities are disrupted, Muslims live in fear, Muslims AND non-Muslims are told by the media that they have to fear each other ...

I sent a letter expressing my sadness and support and prayers ... I don't know what difference it will make, but I felt I had to so SOMETHING. :cry:

Much effort is being made to build peaceful relationships between our faiths and others - but it only takes the action of a few idiotic extremists on both sides to undo all that. imsad

Still, I will never give up hope that peace is possible.
 
Salaam

This is a very sad story :(, and to be fair the media did report it, but alas some victims are more equal than others.

It's a disgusting crime, but I'm not sure why you say it should be called terrorism rather than murder? As for media coverage, unfortunately knife murders are pretty common in the UK - here are some horrible statistics (just for teens in London) http://www.citizensreportuk.org/reports/teenage-murder-london.html
They don't all even make the news unless there's something different about them.

The soldier being killed was something that the UK has never seen before hence the extensive coverage.

Have to disagree with your last line, its not a new phenomena in the UK, looking back into its past.


I think the coverage of Drummer Lee Rigbys death has been over the top, verging on hysteria, I'm not looking forward to the fallout, particularly as certain political factions will use his death to their own advantage. (Which spells trouble for the Muslim community in Britain :hmm: )

Thought this was an unusual comment piece on the situation, not sure what to make of it but it was not what I was expecting.

Drugs, a bigger threat than Al Qaeda

Michael Adebolajo's life changed in his teens when he began taking drugs, especially cannabis

When a soldier was murdered on the streets of London, what use was it to anyone that the Prime Minister flew back from Paris? What use was the fatuous committee, grandiosely called COBRA (SLOW-WORM would be a better name), that gathered portentously in a bunker, as if the Blitz was still on?

This is just street theatre – a bunch of powerless people pretending they can protect us from the wholly unpredictable.

What use are the expensive spooks who track, snoop and file, who want the power to lock us up for weeks and to peer even more deeply into our lives? They failed to prevent this, though they knew all about the suspects. As for the police, living on a reputation they won decades ago and no longer deserve, wouldn’t a constable on old-fashioned foot patrol have been more help on this occasion than the squadrons of armed militia who appeared long after the event, blazing away in the street?

The police force in this country is now bigger than our shrunken Army, but it is extraordinary how its members are never, ever there, except to protect the powerful.

Too busy patrolling Twitter, perhaps.

Now look at the suspects. Oceans of piffle have been written (as usual) about the mythical bogey of ‘Al Qaeda’. We are in yet another frenzy about the ‘hate preachers’ who are the inevitable result of 40 years of state multiculturalism.

The English Defence League (even stupider than the liberal elite) is ‘defending our way of life’ by throwing bottles at the police.

But nobody has seen any significance in the fact that Michael Adebolajo’s life changed utterly when, as a teenager, he began taking drugs, especially cannabis.

Use of this drug, particularly when young, is closely correlated with irreversible mental illness. That’s also when he embraced the barmy version of Islam that seems to have him in its grip.

There are plenty of other young drug-users roaming our streets. Most of them couldn’t even spell ‘Al Qaeda’ and won’t embrace Islam.

But many of them will become mental patients. Some of them, alas, will be ‘released into the community’ to commit awful acts of unhinged violence that barely make the local TV news.

No Prime Ministers will fly back from Paris. No Whitehall committees will meet. No noble statements of defiance will be made.

And yet, if we strengthened and enforced our drug laws, instead of watering them down to nothingness as we have done, much of this would be preventable.

http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/
 
Have to disagree with your last line, its not a new phenomena in the UK, looking back into its past.

Well, that's true, we did have a lot of terrorism back then. I think the style of killing though is completely new, that's what's shocked people.

I agree totally that the fallout is going to be bad - for everyone unfortunately. Anything which furthers the "us-and-them" myth is bad for the whole community.
 
Non-muslims and muslims alike should watch this:

[video=youtube;RU9QBX4U9qE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RU9QBX4U9qE#![/video]
 
^ That guy talks a lot of sense, especially at the start of the video. I don't necessarily agree that violence against muslims gets little media coverage, but he makes his point well.
 
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The Co-Chairs and Vice-Chairs of the Inter Faith Network for the UK issued the following statement today (24 May):

We learned with deep shock and great sadness of the murder of a young member of the armed forces in Woolwich yesterday afternoon. Such acts of violence and terror have no place in our society.

Our thoughts and prayers are with the victim’s family.

The attackers linked their actions with the religion of Islam. Statements from major national Muslim bodies have, in the ensuing hours, condemned the act in the strongest terms and stressed its lack of connection to – and complete contradiction of – teachings of Islam. Even so, there have been attacks on two mosques over the course of the last 24 hours and concerns expressed about the possibility of further attack.

Our thoughts and prayers are also with any whose places of worship or personal safety are affected.

In the wake of this terrible attack, all who share a commitment to a peaceful, safe and just society have a vital role to play in strengthening community bonds and working for greater understanding and mutual support at times of difficulty.


Dr Manazir Ahsan MBE (Co-Chair)
The Revd Bob Fyffe (Co-Chair)
Dr Girdari Lal Bhan (Vice-Chair)
Mr Mohinder Singh Chana (Vice-Chair)
Mr Dorab Mistry (Vice-Chair)
Mr Vivian Wineman (Vice-Chair)

The Inter Faith Network for the UK was founded in 1987 and links 200 member bodies including: national representative bodies of the Baha'i, Buddhist, Christian, Hindu, Jain, Jewish, Muslim, Sikh, and Zoroastrian faiths; national, regional, local and other inter faith bodies; and academic institutions and educational bodies concerned with inter faith issues. It works with members and other agencies to promote good inter faith relations in the UK.
http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/18426
 
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Non-muslims and muslims alike should watch this:

Nabil makes reference several times to the two perpetrators having been drug addicts. Is that the case? I had not heard about it in the news. (But then, I am not glued to the news coverage 14/7 ...)
 
I find it worth saying that there is condemnation on this thread (and deservedly so) of the EDL, the political parties of the UK, the crimes against Muslims and of the media.

No one condemns the actions of the men who ran down and butchered a British serviceman in his own nation. There is no justification for this act.
 
I find it worth saying that there is condemnation on this thread (and deservedly so) of the EDL, the political parties of the UK, the crimes against Muslims and of the media.

No one condemns the actions of the men who ran down and butchered a British serviceman in his own nation. There is no justification for this act.

See the vid i just posted, this act got completely condemned and infact brought more hate upon us. EDL has recieved alot of support after the killings.
 
Alas, Jedi, I tried to! My kindle doesn't like the link for some reason. I promise I will get on and check it out on the computer asap.
 

I sent a letter expressing my sadness and support and prayers ... I don't know what difference it will make, but I felt I had to so SOMETHING. :cry:

I think your act was very important, as to show your support to other people. Even a little act and support might be a big relief to some other.

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Verily To Allaah we belong and to Him we will return.

This is really sad to hear.

How is this going to bring back the soldier that was murdered?

Whoever murdered this innocent man is stupid.

They are just as bad if not worse than the men who killed that soldier.

The reason why he didn't get as much coverage as the soldier is because he's just another "foreigner" in a white majority country.

At a time like this no one wants to hear about a foreigner being stabbed to death just like the soldier was.

Some people just want to see revenge being taken on someone, anyone, just to make them feel better inside, regardless of whether it's right and regardless of whether it's going to achieve anything. That is the mindset of a brainless racist.

If you want to see things improve then step out of that little racist bubble that you live in and start looking into why your government allows ethnic minorities into your countries in the first place. You might actually learn something interesting.

HINT: It's not because they feel sorry for them.
 
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Hmmm the multi cultural experiment seems to be not going so well (for the masses). Britain has been in recent history a fortress Island from which Anglo Saxons could plunder and colonize less technologically advanced and less ruthless war like peoples. But lately they have adopted a very left wing stance of letting all sorts of people in and in the process weakened their security greatly. Why? So they can rachet up their war machine, their "war on terror". So they can rachet up their "Big Brother" security policies and bring in totalitarian laws to grind people down and under even more control. Paranoia and fear plays into the hands of the elite, they are using it to increase the war against Islam and the sheeple will bahh their support.
 

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